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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2011, 08:19:02 PM »
I know it is a part of fascism. It also made the people of Germany much, much worse off.

Nazi Germany didn't make corporations "part of the government." It set up legal cartels which allowed Big Business to set prices, thereby screwing consumers over.

Please come up with evidence showing that the majority of Germans lived in houses. Somehow you strike me as someone who has never been to Europe. As a European myself, I can guarantee you that there are not nearly enough houses in France, Germany, and Poland to house just the populace of Germany.

I didn't say that you need to be rich to live well. But it's undeniable that material wealth is essential to wellbeing. You claimed that fascism improves material wealth, I destroyed your argument, so now you're claiming that it doesn't matter. LOL.  ::)

HAHAHAHAHA, what?!?  ;D

Do you realize the stupidity of this statement?

You're saying that:
1) The US isn't capitalist.
and
2) The US is failing so that's proof that capitalism is failing.

Which is it?  ???

No, material wealth isn't all there is, but it is essential to living standards, and that's what we're arguing about.

Capitalism creates more material wealth than any other system of economic organization. More houses, more food, more clothing, more medical supplies, more heating, more cooling, more computers, more TVs, more cell phones, more everything. Without capitalism, everyone would still be living in mud huts on subsistence farms.


The data you posted is misleading. When individual income increases but household size decreases, what happens to household income? It doesn't reflect changes in individual income. The only data that supports your conclusion that the poor have been getting poorer is household income data, not personal income data.

Germany did not screw consumers over, you are a jew sympathizer I can tell.  Come up with information that most Germans didn't own their houses, most history says they did quite well, the western media and jews like to re write history. 

Material wealth is not part of well being, lol you are obsessed with money I can tell, but you are the perfect person for USA to exploit.  Work your whole life, then die, all part of the machine.

Material things that capitalism creates does not create happiness.  Look how many people are on anti depressants in the USA compared to other countries. 

You are very vested in this argument for some reason, are you rich and don't want your tax rates raised?  Because when taxes were high, the US did the best economy wise and living standards wise. 



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« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2011, 08:30:35 PM »
I'm a college student who was raised by a single mother who was an illegal immigrant for the first three years of my life. But I guess anything I say you'll just plug your ears to and write it off as me being a wealthy Jew sympathizer  ::)

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #102 on: November 27, 2011, 10:34:14 PM »
Material things that capitalism creates does not create happiness.  Look how many people are on anti depressants in the USA compared to other countries.  

But higher taxes create happiness and cure depression?

You are very vested in this argument for some reason, are you rich and don't want your tax rates raised?  Because when taxes were high, the US did the best economy wise and living standards wise.  

I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I do own my home and my car outright. My bottom line on taxes is that I pay too much already. The money I worked hard to make isn't the government's (or yours) to take and dispense as it (or you) sees fit. Is that so difficult to understand? I do not recognize your right to my money.

The government (and you) seem intent to take my money at the point of the proverbial gun. You rely on the fact that I do not wish to violate the laws by not paying taxes -- and you are right, I don't want to violate the laws -- and think that you've backed me into a corner, from which I cannot escape. But you are wrong. If it comes down to an increase in taxes, I will simply quit my current job, take a new part-time unskilled labor job outside of my field of expertise; my month-to-month expenses aren't high, and as long as I can make ~$500/month I'll have food, power and water taken care of. And it won't matter if you back me into a corner... you'll have nothing to steal from me.

You should be happy - you've convinced me the capitalism is evil. Fine, I'll stop being evil. You've convinced me that making money is bad. Fine, I'll stop making money -- I'll just earn enough to live. You've convinced me that the pursuit of material wealth is not a worthy endeavor. Fine, I'll stop pursuing material wealth.

Now ask yourself one question -- where will that leave you and your ilk?


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« Reply #103 on: November 28, 2011, 06:12:28 AM »
But higher taxes create happiness and cure depression?

I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I do own my home and my car outright. My bottom line on taxes is that I pay too much already. The money I worked hard to make isn't the government's (or yours) to take and dispense as it (or you) sees fit. Is that so difficult to understand? I do not recognize your right to my money.

The government (and you) seem intent to take my money at the point of the proverbial gun. You rely on the fact that I do not wish to violate the laws by not paying taxes -- and you are right, I don't want to violate the laws -- and think that you've backed me into a corner, from which I cannot escape. But you are wrong. If it comes down to an increase in taxes, I will simply quit my current job, take a new part-time unskilled labor job outside of my field of expertise; my month-to-month expenses aren't high, and as long as I can make ~$500/month I'll have food, power and water taken care of. And it won't matter if you back me into a corner... you'll have nothing to steal from me.

You should be happy - you've convinced me the capitalism is evil. Fine, I'll stop being evil. You've convinced me that making money is bad. Fine, I'll stop making money -- I'll just earn enough to live. You've convinced me that the pursuit of material wealth is not a worthy endeavor. Fine, I'll stop pursuing material wealth.

Now ask yourself one question -- where will that leave you and your ilk?



Higher taxes are better for the rich as a whole, yes.  This nation has some of the lowest tax rates among developed nations in the world and the rich still bitch about it.  

I never said higher taxes cure depression, I said capitalism with the chase of material things and wealth creates depression, because people realize it's a uphill battle they will never win, only the few elite will have the money now and that is how the system is built for now.  Oh course people will get depressed chasing a dream they know never will come true.  The USA has sold the dream of material wealth and have the sheep going for it, living their lives going after money, while the lucky elite sit back and count their money off the hard work of the people that will never be in that position a day in their lives.  

That is up to you if you would like to quit your job, just like O Reily said if they raise the tax rate he is going to quit, it is all bullshit, you won't quit, you are addicted to money, you do not want to just get by and have a few material things, you want it all, you are pulled in by greed and will do anything to acquire more money it sounds like.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #104 on: November 28, 2011, 06:20:17 AM »
Higher taxes are better for the rich as a whole, yes.  This nation has some of the lowest tax rates among developed nations in the world and the rich still bitch about it.  

I never said higher taxes cure depression, I said capitalism with the chase of material things and wealth creates depression, because people realize it's a uphill battle they will never win, only the few elite will have the money now and that is how the system is built for now.  Oh course people will get depressed chasing a dream they know never will come true.  The USA has sold the dream of material wealth and have the sheep going for it, living their lives going after money, while the lucky elite sit back and count their money off the hard work of the people that will never be in that position a day in their lives.  

That is up to you if you would like to quit your job, just like O Reily said if they raise the tax rate he is going to quit, it is all bullshit, you won't quit, you are addicted to money, you do not want to just get by and have a few material things, you want it all, you are pulled in by greed and will do anything to acquire more money it sounds like.





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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #105 on: November 28, 2011, 07:26:24 AM »
Whatever...Newt said he wanted to expand the police state and you are all for it... fucking commie scum

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #106 on: November 28, 2011, 07:28:28 AM »
Whatever...Newt said he wanted to expand the police state and you are all for it... fucking commie scum

and Obama does as well and has already done so many times over.



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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #107 on: November 28, 2011, 07:39:34 AM »
and Obama does as well and has already done so many times over.



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Yeah.. and thats why i said im voting for Ron Paul.. Pay Attention son...


Now you are still championing for a guy that said he wants to make my country a god damn police.. and you're fine with that. Even making threads about how cool the guy is. You're no Patriot at all.. you're a chump playing politics at the expense of the country.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #108 on: November 28, 2011, 07:42:34 AM »
Yeah.. and thats why i said im voting for Ron Paul.. Pay Attention son...


Now you are still championing for a guy that said he wants to make my country a god damn police.. and you're fine with that. Even making threads about how cool the guy is. You're no Patriot at all.. you're a chump playing politics at the expense of the country.

Good post

Hope Ron Paul goes Option D on these fuckers...

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #109 on: November 28, 2011, 07:50:57 AM »
Yeah.. and thats why i said im voting for Ron Paul.. Pay Attention son...


Now you are still championing for a guy that said he wants to make my country a god damn police.. and you're fine with that. Even making threads about how cool the guy is. You're no Patriot at all.. you're a chump playing politics at the expense of the country.


LMFAO - I am voting for A N Y B O D Y over Obama for the sole reason that even if they are a bag of shit, even if they are 70% suck, that possibility of 30% is worth the chance over this present disaster. 

 

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #110 on: November 28, 2011, 08:00:17 AM »

LMFAO - I am voting for A N Y B O D Y over Obama for the sole reason that even if they are a bag of shit, even if they are 70% suck, that possibility of 30% is worth the chance over this present disaster. 

 

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« Reply #111 on: November 28, 2011, 09:49:17 AM »
Higher taxes are better for the rich as a whole, yes.  This nation has some of the lowest tax rates among developed nations in the world and the rich still bitch about it.  

Higher taxes -- for the rich or the not rich -- are a bad thing. It's not "better" by any stretch of the imagination for anyone to have more of their money confiscated.

I never said higher taxes cure depression, I said capitalism with the chase of material things and wealth creates depression, because people realize it's a uphill battle they will never win, only the few elite will have the money now and that is how the system is built for now.  Oh course people will get depressed chasing a dream they know never will come true.  The USA has sold the dream of material wealth and have the sheep going for it, living their lives going after money, while the lucky elite sit back and count their money off the hard work of the people that will never be in that position a day in their lives.

You seem to assume that the rich people are rich because of the work everybody else does, and not because of their own work. To be sure, there are those who inherit money and are in such a position. But don't envy such people -- their money isn't yours and even if it were, you'd have done no better with it.

That is up to you if you would like to quit your job, just like O Reily said if they raise the tax rate he is going to quit, it is all bullshit, you won't quit, you are addicted to money, you do not want to just get by and have a few material things, you want it all, you are pulled in by greed and will do anything to acquire more money it sounds like.

I don't know or case what "O Reily" said. And, frankly, you don't know me nearly as well as you think do. I don't care for money qua money. I care for what that money represents -- or what it's supposed to represent. And I simply have had enough of a government that punishes me for my success by forcing me to part with more of my income the harder I work. I simply have had enough of a governent that treats me as human wallet, whose only purpose is to provide money for others.

It's not about the acquisition of money. It's about living in the society you and your ilk have established and want to perpetuate. You advocate the system where success is evil and effort is punished and where workers are exalted. Well then, I stop succeeding, stop putting in the effort, and just become a worker bee. And you know what? I know that scares you, because you need me -- you need me to continue succeeding so that you can keep taking from me; you need me to continue putting in the effort so you can reap the benefits.

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #112 on: November 28, 2011, 10:04:28 AM »
Sorry needed to go work out chief

Now about EXPANDING your already intrusive Patriot act. Yes I do not like your entire patriot act at all. I dont like its basis for one. It was birthed out of 9/11 attacks. 9/11 was preventable if GWB would've listened to Clark. Am i correct.. Yes i know i am. So to say Patriot act was needed is pure bull crap. And Newt never stated specific intentions. Just intentions on expanding it as a whole.

Yea... Gov Stay out of our business...

Amazing...you guys are really amazing

You got 3333 over there, dont wether to like it because Newt said or, damn it because its a clear intrusion on American's Civil liberties. 
But for now 333 will defend it in order to play politics.. Clown 



You have a problem with the whole thing?  What about this part?

Title IV: Border security: USA PATRIOT Act, Title IV

Title IV amends the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 to give more law enforcement and investigative power to the United States Attorney General and to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). The Attorney General was authorized to waive any cap on the number of full time employees (FTEs) assigned to the INS on the Northern border of the United States.[96] Enough funds were set aside to triple the maximum number of Border Patrol personnel, Customs Service personnel and INS inspectors along with an additional US$50,000,000 funding for the INS and the U.S. Customs Service to improve technology for monitoring the Northern Border and acquiring additional equipment at the Canadian northern border.[97] The INS was also given the authority to authorize overtime payments of up to an extra US$30,000 a year to INS employees.[98] Access was given to the Department of State and the INS to criminal background information contained in the National Crime Information Center's Interstate Identification Index (NCIC-III), Wanted Persons File and any other files maintained by the National Crime Information Center to determine whether visa applicants and applicants could be admitted to the U.S.[99] The Department of State was required to form final regulations governing the procedures for taking fingerprints and the conditions with which the department was allowed to use this information.[100] Additionally, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was ordered to develop a technology standard to verify the identity of persons applying for a United States visa.[100] The reason was to make the standard the technology basis for a cross-agency, cross-platform electronic system used for conducting background checks, confirming identities and ensuring that people have not received visas under different names.[101] This report was released on November 13, 2002,[102] however, according to NIST, this was later "determined that the fingerprint system used was not as accurate as current state-of-the-art fingerprint systems and is approximately equivalent to commercial fingerprint systems available in 1998."[103] This report was later superseded by section 303(a) of the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2002.

. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #113 on: November 28, 2011, 10:12:06 AM »
Kind of like this part

2007 US Justice Department audit finds FBI abuse of PATRIOT act powers

   Wikinews has related news: U.S. Justice Dept. says FBI misused USA PATRIOT Act
On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens.[1]
On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act#2007_US_Justice_Department_audit_finds_FBI_abuse_of_PATRIOT_act_powers

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #114 on: November 28, 2011, 10:15:19 AM »
Kind of like this part

2007 US Justice Department audit finds FBI abuse of PATRIOT act powers

   Wikinews has related news: U.S. Justice Dept. says FBI misused USA PATRIOT Act
On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens.[1]
On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act#2007_US_Justice_Department_audit_finds_FBI_abuse_of_PATRIOT_act_powers


What problem do you have the enhanced border security section? 

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« Reply #115 on: November 28, 2011, 10:15:50 AM »
Kind of like this part

2007 US Justice Department audit finds FBI abuse of PATRIOT act powers

   Wikinews has related news: U.S. Justice Dept. says FBI misused USA PATRIOT Act
On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens.[1]
On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_USA_PATRIOT_Act#2007_US_Justice_Department_audit_finds_FBI_abuse_of_PATRIOT_act_powers



Can you bump your posts bashing the FBI, DEA, ATF for abuses in Fast N Furious?  

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #116 on: November 28, 2011, 10:28:40 AM »
What problem do you have the enhanced border security section? 

I dont.

but if i dont like 90% of something.. then i dont like it..

This aint the "Border Security Act"

Its the Patroit act, and theyve used it to spy on American Citizens and Abused it over 1000 times as per an INTERNAL audit. What do you think the numbers would increase to if they were audited by an outside agency?

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #117 on: November 28, 2011, 10:31:42 AM »

Can you bump your posts bashing the FBI, DEA, ATF for abuses in Fast N Furious?  

I didnt. So. I dont have to bump shit just to meet your approval. Who the fuck are you.

I didnt follow that story. I dont have all day to seek out shit like you do.

Hey tell me did Obama do a courtesy flush today with his morning shit?

thats earth shattering shit right there..

Hey what did The First Lady have for breakfast?  Im sure you have people on it

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« Reply #118 on: November 28, 2011, 10:32:58 AM »
I didnt. So. I dont have to bump shit just to meet your approval. Who the fuck are you.

I didnt follow that story. I dont have all day to seek out shit like you do.

Hey tell me did Obama do a courtesy flush today with his morning shit?

thats earth shattering shit right there..

Hey what did The First Lady have for breakfast?  Im sure you have people on it


LOL.   Fast n Furious is one of the biggest scandals of all time and you don't about it, but obssess over this?   lol.   

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #119 on: November 28, 2011, 10:36:17 AM »
I dont.

but if i dont like 90% of something.. then i dont like it..

This aint the "Border Security Act"

Its the Patroit act, and theyve used it to spy on American Citizens and Abused it over 1000 times as per an INTERNAL audit. What do you think the numbers would increase to if they were audited by an outside agency?

I don't think the federal government needed a new law to abuse its power.  That happens all the time.  The good thing about abuse of power by the feds is the checks and balances provided by the courts.    

Are you sure you don't like 90 percent of the Patroit Act?  This act isn't just about surveillance.  It's about, among other things, border security, money laundering, and fighting the people who are trying to kill Americans.  

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Re: Ron Paul owns Newt
« Reply #120 on: November 28, 2011, 10:37:57 AM »

LOL.   Fast n Furious is one of the biggest scandals of all time and you don't about it, but obssess over this?   lol.   
Everything against obama is the biggest scandal all time with you.
You are the undisputed champion of overreacting like a 12 year old school girl


Dont try to change the subject. Your guy is trying to turn our country into a police state and you are supporting it.

Thanks a lot fuck tard

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« Reply #121 on: November 28, 2011, 10:39:17 AM »
Everything against obama is the biggest scandal all time with you.
You are the undisputed champion of overreacting like a 12 year old school girl


Dont try to change the subject. Your guy is trying to turn our country into a police state and you are supporting it.

Thanks a lot fuck tard

Hey idiot - the guy you VOTED for and kneepadded until recently is ACTUALLY doing it right fucking nowq. 

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« Reply #122 on: November 28, 2011, 11:14:26 AM »
Hey idiot - the guy you VOTED for and kneepadded until recently is ACTUALLY doing it right fucking nowq. 

And the guy you voted for started the fucking snowball down the hill

He was the one THAT INITIATED THE DAMN LAW...

Are you seriously arguing with me on this...

with your "stance" on police states.. the only post from your grubby little fingers should have been

"yeah newt is fucked up for that and i cant support someone that is proposing to initiate everything i stand against"

but instead, you play politics and then find a way to bring Obama in this.. When this is someone saying they want to further the police state policy...
you play politics.. way to go fuckface.. way to go.

you sicken me

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« Reply #123 on: November 28, 2011, 11:17:35 AM »
And the guy you voted for started the fucking snowball down the hill

He was the one THAT INITIATED THE DAMN LAW...

Are you seriously arguing with me on this...

with your "stance" on police states.. the only post from your grubby little fingers should have been

"yeah newt is fucked up for that and i cant support someone that is proposing to initiate everything i stand against"

but instead, you play politics and then find a way to bring Obama in this.. When this is someone saying they want to further the police state policy...
you play politics.. way to go fuckface.. way to go.

you sicken me


Police State pre-dates Bush. 

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« Reply #124 on: November 28, 2011, 11:19:30 AM »

Police State pre-dates Bush. 

Bush enacted the Patriot Act...

and instead of being outraged, you make excuses and continue Newt.. The shit you say Obama supporters do.. Dude get some consistency.