Megyn Kelly Pepper Spray Thanksgiving

[tonymctones]

Cool - didn't see your post until after I posted.

I don't know that I would say there was obviously resistance, and I would be very very hesitant to label a sit-in as resistance (even non-violent). But ultimately, none of our opinions matters. The only opinions that will matter, in the end, are those of the Appellate Judges.

HAHAHAH HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF GHANDI? do yourself a favor and look up what kind of "resistence" he was known for...goodness gracious....

what about the student that resisted the tent being taken down? you know the one that got arrested and started the whole sit in?

let me guess you didnt know about that kid, right?

you didnt read any of my posts, right?

you didnt do any research before spouting off at the mouth, right?

[Soul Crusher]

the OWS movement is doing stuff right out of Rules for Radicals.    They love when the police overreact since it gives them PR victories. 

[tonymctones]

Cops were stupid fro a PR point of view.  

without a doubt, if the chancellor told them not to remove them only the tents they should have done that and only arrested the ones who tried to stop them like the one student.

[tonymctones]

the OWS movement is doing stuff right out of Rules for Radicals.    They love when the police overreact since it gives them PR victories. 

yup and these morons were no different...

[Soul Crusher]

without a doubt, if the chancellor told them not to remove them only the tents they should have done that and only arrested the ones who tried to stop them like the one student.

see, me, I am more PR and tactically minded.    I would have had the cameras rolling and have a few local business people show up with job applications and start talking to these people on camera.   Have a few schiff types there.   Have a few business people there to engage in debate.  


that would be guerilla tactics to destroy these people.  

[Soul Crusher]

yup and these morons were no different...

I read all of Saul Alinsky books and know what these thugs are doing.   I read sun tzu, I read Machiavelli, I know what these thugs are up to.   


to defeat them, you need to think like them.   The idiot cops have no idea what they are doing. 

[avxo]

LOL at you trying to degrade me when you create straw men for arguments.

You are the one making blanket statements... don't blame me for challenging them.

If your standing outside a convient store the owners have the right to have you removed. I didnt say the side walk did I moron?

Oh no! Name-calling... I've been defeated! 

you dont have the right to protest wherever and whenever you want...plain and simple

In public places you actually can pretty much do exactly that up to health and hazard provisions.

do you think it hinders the professors ability to hold a class?

Having taught at a University with people protesting (not an Occupy protest, mind you) quite loudly I can tell you that my ability to teach a class is not hindered. To be fair, all the classes I teach this semester are on the second and third floors and none of the classrooms have windows. It can be a mild annoyance, but all in all, I've found most protests at my University to be fairly 'mild' and pedestrian affairs.

[avxo]

HAHAHAH HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF GHANDI? do yourself a favor and look up what kind of "resistence" he was known for...goodness gracious....

what about the student that resisted the tent being taken down? you know the one that got arrested and started the whole sit in?

let me guess you didnt know about that kid, right?

you didnt read any of my posts, right?

you didnt do any research before spouting off at the mouth, right?

I knew all about that kid. Going by what I've read (I have no first-hand knowledge of the facts) I have no problem with his arrest, and I didn't think it was an issue, hence my not mentioning it. As for the sit-in -- regardless of why it started -- I don't think that it was in any way, shape or form a threat or even out of order.

[Soul Crusher]

Protesting is good.    Protesting is people letting off steam for real or perceived grievances.   I would rather these people protest like they have than killing people or burning cars and buildings.  

That being said, there is a limit, and antagonizing a situation w peppery spray against non violent people is simply not productive one bit.  

I say this as someone who disagrees with OWS. 

[Skeletor]

Lol epic backfire for tonymctones on this one.

Btw, what's a "convient store"?

[Soul Crusher]

Lol epic backfire for tonymctones on this one.

Btw, what's a "convient store"?

see - to me it's more a tactical situation.  does pepper spraying these people help or hurt?   the cop in the clip hurt the cause IMHO to discredit these morons. 

These OWS people are fng idiots and ignoring the root cause of the problem.  They blame the symptom, not the cause, and anything bolstering their cause is not ok with me. 

[Skeletor]

I think it's not the police's job to discredit anyone (though they often do that). The OWS protesters might discredit themselves with their actions and statements but personally I think the police reacted in an inappropriate and excessive manner, not just counterproductive. Sure that pepper spraying might cause some people to feel sympathy for the protesters but for me it's more disconcerting how police react so excessively nowadays.

[Soul Crusher]

Exactly.   I don't support this police state crap.   that cop looked like he was enjoying this!   


see - even though I think OWS is stupid, I don't support cops acting like this at all.   Not cool at all. 

[tonymctones]

I knew all about that kid. Going by what I've read (I have no first-hand knowledge of the facts) I have no problem with his arrest, and I didn't think it was an issue, hence my not mentioning it. As for the sit-in -- regardless of why it started -- I don't think that it was in any way, shape or form a threat or even out of order.

so you knew all about the kid yet you still said they werent offereing any kind of resistence at all?

LFMAO really?

you look up ghandi yet kid?

[tonymctones]

Lol epic backfire for tonymctones on this one.

Btw, what's a "convient store"?

LOL what the fuck are you talking about?

what have i been proven wrong on?

him and blacken want to keep yelling about the cops when i already said I agree with them, IN MY FIRST POST ON THE THREAD.

these morons cant seem to come to terms with the fact the students did resist and were not following the rules.

that doesnt excuse the police's actions either way but lets be adults about this and not think these moron protestors are innocent in this.

[avxo]

so you knew all about the kid yet you still said they werent offereing any kind of resistence at all?

LFMAO really?

you look up ghandi yet kid?

LOL @ kid

It is well established precedent that there is a significant legal difference between resisting actively, as tent-boy did, and resisting passively and non-violently, as the kids who were sitting down did.

It's unclear to me why tent-boy is relevant to this discussion, given that we are talking about the pepper-spray incident. Even if his attempted arrest caused the other students to start a sit-in, it's still largely irrelevant.

What's next? You'll want to mention the weather? Or perhaps the dinner served the night before by one of the bystanders?

[tonymctones]

LOL @ kid

It is well established precedent that there is a significant legal difference between resisting actively, as tent-boy did, and resisting passively and non-violently, as the kids who were sitting down did.

It's unclear to me why tent-boy is relevant to this discussion, given that we are talking about the pepper-spray incident. Even if his attempted arrest caused the other students to start a sit-in, it's still largely irrelevant.

What's next? You'll want to mention the weather? Or perhaps the dinner served the night before by one of the bystanders?

b/c its all part of the same event you moron!!!

if you dont think thats relevant then you must not think the chancellors words to the police are relevant? oh wait that supports your case so of course you do!!!

again bringing up the police, THEY WERE IN THE WRONG!!!!!

SO WERE THE IDIOTS PROTESTING!!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!

[avxo]

b/c its all part of the same event you moron!!!

if you dont think thats relevant then you must not think the chancellors words to the police are relevant? oh wait that supports your case so of course you do!!!

again bringing up the police, THEY WERE IN THE WRONG!!!!!

SO WERE THE IDIOTS PROTESTING!!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!

Can you text-yell a little louder? I'm hard of text-hearing.

I don't think the words of the Chancellor are relevant vis-à-vis the incident itself: they're an ex-post facto assessment and evaluation of the event. They are relevant in understanding the position of the University Administration.

We don't disagree that the police are in the wrong, or that the student who tried to stop the Officers from dismantling a tent is in the wrong. Things are a little less clear when it comes to the kids who sat down.

[240 is Back]

seriously, you could take spongebob off the air, and ppl would protest.  ppl are going to protest every 2 or 3 years.  they like it.  makes them hot, gives them some passionate sex or a reason to live, etc, that that's cool.

[tonymctones]

Can you text-yell a little louder? I'm hard of text-hearing.

I don't think the words of the Chancellor are relevant vis-à-vis the incident itself: they're an ex-post facto assessment and evaluation of the event. They are relevant in understanding the position of the University Administration.

We don't disagree that the police are in the wrong, or that the student who tried to stop the Officers from dismantling a tent is in the wrong. Things are a little less clear when it comes to the kids who sat down.

agreed, now why did it take you so long to understand that?

the reason for the all caps is b/c you obviously werent reading or understanding the posts

youre a professor? I would hate to be in your class if your students have just as hard of a time getting you to understand such a clear point as this.

The students undoubtedly resisted(even if it was non violent) something you said didnt happen. Did the police respond in an equivlent manner, OBVIOUSLY they didnt.

but to say that the protestors didnt play a role in the escalation of the situation by their own wrong doing is disingenous. I understand their pov my university raised tuition every damn year I was there and it pissed me off everytime as well. That doesnt make resisting or forming human chains and blocking pathways etc ok...

Tell these morons to go to another college if they are that pissed off. Ppl dont seem to understand that they are patrons of the same shit their protesting. Same with OWS bullshit, these idiots cant seem to stop using the services and products of the companies their protesting long enought to see the IRONY.

stop using their shit, stop attending that college if youre that upset about their actions.

[tonymctones]

seriously, you could take spongebob off the air, and ppl would protest.  ppl are going to protest every 2 or 3 years.  they like it.  makes them hot, gives them some passionate sex or a reason to live, etc, that that's cool.

well I guess that makes it all ok and rational ppl should just sit back and let these morons youre describing act an ass then?

[240 is Back]

well I guess that makes it all ok and rational ppl should just sit back and let these morons youre describing act an ass then?

yes.  exactly.  let them act like asses.

but allowing them to dominate the political conversation... paul ryan getting his tampon all soacked with "these mobs are terrifying"... STFU pussies.  Man up, let the idiots protest their spongebob or iraq or wall street, or whatever.

Trueth is, they legitimize the idiots by acting all concerned.  Beck dedicating his airtime to trashing them gives them power.  I see it as 300 idiots in a park camping out and whining.  Who gives a shit?  When Rush talks about them for ten million listeners, suddenly they matter.

[tonymctones]

yes.  exactly.  let them act like asses.

but allowing them to dominate the political conversation... paul ryan getting his tampon all soacked with "these mobs are terrifying"... STFU pussies.  Man up, let the idiots protest their spongebob or iraq or wall street, or whatever.

Trueth is, they legitimize the idiots by acting all concerned.  Beck dedicating his airtime to trashing them gives them power.  I see it as 300 idiots in a park camping out and whining.  Who gives a shit?  When Rush talks about them for ten million listeners, suddenly they matter.

they arent just camping out, they are breaking laws, damaging property, wasting tax dollars etc...

if all they were doing was what you say that would be one thing but they arent.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1255999_Pepper_Spraying_Cop_meme.html


Lmao at the pics. 

[240 is Back]

they arent just camping out, they are breaking laws, damaging property, wasting tax dollars etc...

if all they were doing was what you say that would be one thing but they arent.

then arrest them for the misdemeanors and lock them up.

But really, there are people selling crack and smack on the corners and police ignore that shit on a dialy basis.  These wussies are camping in parks, whining and tweeting.  Not nearly as serious.  yet I don't see Beck crying about drug epidemics in poor neighborhoods.

The crimes are small, but i'm all for locking them up.  But crying about the potential for 'mob violence' is sheer bitch-made.  And you know it.