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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2011, 10:55:55 PM »
Reminds me of her :



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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #101 on: November 27, 2011, 11:00:09 PM »
Reminds me of her :



I wish I could even just eat 2 bananas a day.   :'(  Too expensive here. 

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #102 on: November 28, 2011, 01:52:42 AM »
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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #103 on: November 28, 2011, 02:49:02 AM »
"Frutarian", sounds like he loves the meat pipe, but doesn't swallow.  :-X :-X

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #104 on: November 28, 2011, 03:43:41 AM »
I consume about 10kg of fruits a week, but I don't consider my self frutarian. I eat eggs and fish and bread and other shit... I have almost given up meat completely, the only time I eat meat if I visit my mom or order a pizza or eat bacon when I have a hangover (the rare times I ever have bacon)


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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #105 on: November 28, 2011, 04:01:05 AM »
Well, I can paste photo of my 48 year old mother who could also look so young with makeup and in shitty video quality. She eats everything. Her grandmother died when she was over 90... There's couple 100 year olds in my family as well.

I do believe that diet and exercise may help you live longer and look younger but on the other hand I do know many vegans and vegetarians that are twice younger but they honestly look like shit. As long as you take care of your body any other change won't make that much of a difference IMO. I had a gf who is bullimic/anorexic - and yes, this kind of "diet" literally destroys your skin and body.

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #106 on: November 28, 2011, 04:14:00 AM »
I do believe that diet and exercise may help you live longer and look younger but on the other hand I do know many vegans and vegetarians that are twice younger but they honestly look like shit.

 As long as you take care of your body any other change won't make that much of a difference IMO. I had a gf who is bullimic/anorexic - and yes, this kind of "diet" literally destroys your skin and body.

Agreed. People go over board with everything. I've replaced many doses of beef and meat in general with fruits, veggies, eggs and tuna and I gotta say I feel overally much better. But to only do this or that is not good for me. To each it's own..

Now days the food is filled with chemicals that are used for rat poisons etc, so that's one reason I don't like to eat animal products that much...

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #107 on: November 28, 2011, 07:22:20 AM »
devilsmile you are missing out on the wonders of red meat. It has so many health benefits and healing powers. Notice how much better your complexion looks when eating beef,also most people grow better off red meat better than other protein sources
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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #108 on: November 28, 2011, 07:49:55 AM »
  I don't deny that. I am just saying that severe caloric restriction increases antioxidant, anabolic activity in cells and improves plasma glucose levels, blood lipid profile and decrease markers of inflammation more than anything else.

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how long would one need to do this to get the benefits IYO? Would fasting one day a week be enough? I wonder what the muscle loss would be like.
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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #109 on: November 28, 2011, 07:56:57 AM »
how long would one need to do this to get the benefits IYO? Would fasting one day a week be enough? I wonder what the muscle loss would be like.

Beef is a good growth promoting food because there's plenty of methionine in it (that's counter productive if we talk anti-aging. just to be speific).

And fasting, even EOD does not produce CR effect, sadly. Tho' it may be beneficial for cancer prevention, and in that case fasting should be performed for like 7-10 days str8 (once or twice a year), for a body to enter the ketones phase (especially good for brain tumor prevention)..

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #110 on: November 28, 2011, 08:16:51 AM »
I think this is over the top. But I have watched this documentary, which is worth a watch:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1227378/


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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #111 on: November 28, 2011, 08:17:07 AM »
your spot on for once

no read the paper it does not say that at all, in fact it explicitly states what fructose does and doesn't do in the subjects, perhaps you should read the paper. Also, the paper is terrible its power is next to nothing as it has 10 subjects in the active group and only 7 controls. The spelling is terrible in the paper as well with numerous mistakes it also makes up several scientific terms.

what group benefited from the fructose? i know this isn't a place for intelligent discussion but i'm a science nazi

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #112 on: November 28, 2011, 08:19:11 AM »
good point however on the otherhand theres a picture of jared leto a few posts up carrying a bag of groceries of many fructose and glucose containing foods which is purported the cause of glycation, the supposed cause of aging. seems like jared leto put that theory to rest  8)


u actually think one person living at the age of 40 disproves a theory? have you ever attended college? think about that statment, there are  people who eat glass and are 85 which proves glass enhances longevity.

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #113 on: November 28, 2011, 08:20:11 AM »
  I don't deny that. I am just saying that severe caloric restriction increases antioxidant, anabolic activity in cells and improves plasma glucose levels, blood lipid profile and decrease markers of inflammation more than anything else.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

100% agreed

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #114 on: November 28, 2011, 08:21:08 AM »
x2. Bull doesn't and he would snap that pencil neck like it were a breadstick.



Ben Grimm looking hard as nails
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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #115 on: November 28, 2011, 08:27:33 AM »
btw, Jared Leto used botox
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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #116 on: November 28, 2011, 08:36:48 AM »
btw, Jared Leto used botox

You think so?
 If true - I'll have some of that stuff when the time comes haha..

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #117 on: November 28, 2011, 10:06:40 AM »
no read the paper it does not say that at all, in fact it explicitly states what fructose does and doesn't do in the subjects, perhaps you should read the paper. Also, the paper is terrible its power is next to nothing as it has 10 subjects in the active group and only 7 controls. The spelling is terrible in the paper as well with numerous mistakes it also makes up several scientific terms.

  The paper does not state that fructose increases artherosclerosis or the risk of diabetes; it states that fructose increases plasma glycerols but that this has not been conclusively been demonstrated to increase artherosclerosis risk in humans but only in controlled rat studies who were given extremely high doses of high-fructose corn syrup. You cannot extrapolate studies done on rats with incredibly high levels of fructose and glucose and fat and say that humans who eat fruit have an increased risk of artherosclerosis compared to humans who don't eat fruit - everything else being equal. You also glossed over the part where the paper states that fructose in low doses increases glucose metabolic efficiency by signaling glucokinase.

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what group benefited from the fructose? i know this isn't a place for intelligent discussion but i'm a science nazi

  Your attempt at argumentum ad verecundiam notwithstanding, can you post a single paper proving that fructose increases the risk of artherosclerosis and diabetes conclusively for which fructose was shown to be the only variable in this - a study controlled for extraneous variables such as that fructose can only be the culprit?

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #118 on: November 28, 2011, 10:15:02 AM »
You think so?
 If true - I'll have some of that stuff when the time comes haha..

I know so.  google some pics of him, when the guy makes certain facial expressions his forehead doesn't move like a normal person's forehead would. I know cosmetics :) Even a child with perfect skin will make that wrinkled look in the forehead for the few seconds when making certain "funny faces". Leto's doesn't budge
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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #119 on: November 28, 2011, 11:07:39 AM »
 The paper does not state that fructose increases artherosclerosis or the risk of diabetes; it states that fructose increases plasma glycerols but that this has not been conclusively been demonstrated to increase artherosclerosis risk in humans but only in controlled rat studies who were given extremely high doses of high-fructose corn syrup. You cannot extrapolate studies done on rats with incredibly high levels of fructose and glucose and fat and say that humans who eat fruit have an increased risk of artherosclerosis compared to humans who don't eat fruit - everything else being equal. You also glossed over the part where the paper states that fructose in low doses increases glucose metabolic efficiency by signaling glucokinase.




i didnt gloss over the part, you are not interpreting what they said correctly, read

"Thus, the administration of small amounts of fructose to type 2 diabetic subjects partially corrected the regulation of GP by hyperglycemia per se, yet did not affect this regulation in the nondiabetic subjects. This suggests that the liver’s inability to respond to hyperglycemia in type 2 diabetes, likely caused by impaired GK activity, contributes substantially to the increased GP in these individuals."

in what individuals was the effect found in? which group was the effect of fructose not found in? there is the answer right there, the paper is shit imo.



  Your attempt at argumentum ad verecundiam notwithstanding, can you post a single paper proving that fructose increases the risk of artherosclerosis and diabetes conclusively for which fructose was shown to be the only variable in this - a study controlled for extraneous variables such as that fructose can only be the culprit?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

i have already posted several i can post new ones however, we were not arguing fruit that is moving the goalposts, different fruits as ive already outlined have numerous constituents which cloud the argument, no type of fruit is the same, i stated that fructose is a metabolic poison since in your opening post you claimed it was a healthy sugar with numerous benefits.

Am J Clin Nutr. 2011 Aug;94(2):479-85. Epub 2011 Jun 15.
Low to moderate sugar-sweetened beverage consumption impairs glucose and lipid metabolism and promotes inflammation in healthy young men: a randomized controlled trial.
Aeberli I, Gerber PA, Hochuli M, Kohler S, Haile SR, Gouni-Berthold I, Berthold HK, Spinas GA, Berneis K.
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Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Clinical Nutrition, University Hospital Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland.
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Background: Sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) have unfavorable effects on glucose and lipid metabolism if consumed in high quantities by obese subjects, but the effect of lower doses in normal-weight subjects is less clear. OBJECTIVE: The aim was to investigate the effects of SSBs consumed in small to moderate quantities for 3 wk on LDL particle distribution and on other parameters of glucose and lipid metabolism as well as on inflammatory markers in healthy young men. Design: Twenty-nine subjects were studied in a prospective, randomized, controlled crossover trial. Six 3-wk interventions were assigned in random order as follows: 600 mL SSBs containing 1)40 g fructose/d [medium fructose (MF)], 2) 80 g fructose/d [high fructose (HF)], 3) 40 g glucose/d [medium glucose (MG)], 4) 80 g glucose/d [high glucose (HG)], 5) 80 g sucrose/d [high sucrose (HS)], or 6) dietary advice to consume low amounts of fructose. Outcome parameters were measured at baseline and after each intervention. Results: LDL particle size was reduced after HF by -0.51 nm (95% CI: -0.19, -0.82 nm) and after HS by -0.43 nm (95% CI: -0.12, -0.74; P < 0.05 for both). Similarly, a more atherogenic LDL subclass distribution was seen when fructose-containing SSBs were consumed (MF, HF, and HS: P < 0.05). Fasting glucose and high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hs-CRP) increased significantly after all interventions (by 4-9% and 60-109%, respectively; P < 0.05); leptin increased during interventions with SSBs containing glucose only (MG and HG: P < 0.05). CONCLUSION: The present data show potentially harmful effects of low to moderate consumption of SSBs on markers of cardiovascular risk such as LDL particles, fasting glucose, and hs-CRP within just 3 wk in healthy young men, which is of particular significance for young consumers. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT01021969.

here is a review


Lipids Health Dis. 2011 Jan 24;10:20.
Fructose impairs glucose-induced hepatic triglyceride synthesis.
Huang D, Dhawan T, Young S, Yong WH, Boros LG, Heaney AP.
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Department of Medicine, David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, Los Angeles, CA 90095, USA.
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Obesity, type 2 diabetes and hyperlipidemia frequently coexist and are associated with significantly increased morbidity and mortality. Consumption of refined carbohydrate and particularly fructose has increased significantly in recent years and has paralled the increased incidence of obesity and diabetes. Human and animal studies have demonstrated that high dietary fructose intake positively correlates with increased dyslipidemia, insulin resistance, and hypertension. Metabolism of fructose occurs primarily in the liver and high fructose flux leads to enhanced hepatic triglyceride accumulation (hepatic steatosis). This results in impaired glucose and lipid metabolism and increased proinflammatory cytokine expression. Here we demonstrate that fructose alters glucose-stimulated expression of activated acetyl CoA carboxylase (ACC), pSer hormone sensitive lipase (pSerHSL) and adipose triglyceride lipase (ATGL) in hepatic HepG2 or primary hepatic cell cultures in vitro. This was associated with increased de novo triglyceride synthesis in vitro and hepatic steatosis in vivo in fructose- versus glucose-fed and standard-diet fed mice. These studies provide novel insight into the mechanisms involved in fructose-mediated hepatic hypertriglyceridemia and identify fructose-uptake as a new potential therapeutic target for lipid-associated diseases.

J Am Soc Nephrol. 2010 Dec;21(12):2036-9. Epub 2010 Nov 29.
The effect of fructose on renal biology and disease.
Johnson RJ, Sanchez-Lozada LG, Nakagawa T.
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Division of Renal Diseases and Hypertension, University of Colorado, Aurora, Colorado 80045, USA. richard.johnson@ucdenver.edu
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Dietary fructose intake is increasing. It is increasing primarily from added sugars, including sucrose and high fructose corn syrup, and correlates epidemiologically with the rising prevalence of metabolic syndrome and hypertension worldwide. The administration of fructose to animals and humans increases BP and the development of metabolic syndrome. These changes occur independently of caloric intake because of the effect of fructose on ATP depletion and uric acid generation. Fructose ingestion may also be a risk factor for kidney disease that includes glomerular hypertension, renal inflammation, and tubulointerstitial injury in animals. We suggest excessive fructose intake should be considered an environmental toxin with major health implications.

i still think fruit is good but fructose has nothing to do with it in the slightest.

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #120 on: November 28, 2011, 11:09:52 AM »
this was your claim with which i started the debate

"Fruit is rich in fructose, a monosaccharide that dramatically increases the body's ability to use glucose effectively."

this is just not true, the science clearly states this. I wasn't arguing if fruit is healthy or not, i stated that fructose is a metabolic poison and it is. it causes numerous physiological issues and when in isolation from fiber etc as in fruit juices its a key to type 2 beetus and fat fucks.

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #121 on: November 28, 2011, 11:34:20 AM »
Just watch what incredible shape has this 61 years old fruitarian! :o
Amazing what this diet can do for you!


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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #122 on: November 28, 2011, 12:00:50 PM »
I wish I could even just eat 2 bananas a day.   :'(  Too expensive here. 
Aussie right?
at least you got there amazing weather...

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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #123 on: November 28, 2011, 01:25:14 PM »
I know so.  google some pics of him, when the guy makes certain facial expressions his forehead doesn't move like a normal person's forehead would. I know cosmetics :) Even a child with perfect skin will make that wrinkled look in the forehead for the few seconds when making certain "funny faces". Leto's doesn't budge

Idk, he seems to be able to make expressions (at least compared to some of the obviously "frozen" celebrities):


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Re: The Frutarian - eat nothing but fruit for 6 years
« Reply #124 on: November 28, 2011, 01:36:57 PM »
jared leto would not be puling those dimes if he wasnt rich and famous. dudes nose is fucked up looking and he is a twink. could deifnitely pull plenty of 7's and 8's with a good personality, but the idea hes getting smokin hot chicks cuz of his looks is fuckiin wacked.