600mg test e 12 weeks, Dbol 40mg 4 weeks...advice..

[DorianGrey]

sup guys let me give u guys some info

age - 27
height = 6'2
weight - 248
bf - 15% so that probably means 17%
no pic bcuz of career

Cycle

600mg Test e ( 300mg x 2 )
40mg Dbol    ( 20mg x 2 )
Clomid PCT 50/50/50/50
Nolva on hand

this is my first cycle and i have some questions....

1. ai? yay or nay? Best dosing this seems to be the most confusing information

2. ive been feeling kinda weird lately...nothing crazy but just weird...placebo? only 2 weeks in cycle..

3. Diet is 40/40/20..carbs before n after workout only. any suggestions?

thanks for the help ppl

[howardroark]

Swapping an AI (preferably aromasin aka exemestane) for the clomid/nolva and taking it throughout your cycle would probably be a good idea. Also, 250iu HCG twice weekly would keep your balls functioning.

[DorianGrey]

Swapping an AI (preferably aromasin aka exemestane) for the clomid/nolva and taking it throughout your cycle would probably be a good idea. Also, 250iu HCG twice weekly would keep your balls functioning.

balls are overrated...i already got 2 kids...who needs em? lol

i was not planning on running the clomid or the nolva throughout cycle if thats what you thought.

what dose would u recommend i run the aromasin..i have some coming in 12.5 n 25 mg.

[DorianGrey]

bump

[trapz101]

dbol 40mg per week?

[lyquid]

I think it looks horrible.

this board is all about stopping the bullshit cycles n people who keep advsing them n the truth.

ditch the whole 4 weeks on orals till test kicks in. Worst idea ever. Dbol is a amazing anabolic gh15 said himself one of the best growth drugs. So why stop it for 4 wks n let shitty test keep going? Run dbol whole time n get real gains not 10 weeks of test bloat n lose it all.

is ur liver bad is that why 4 weeks? If so than don't take orals at all. But oral side effects are bullshit if ur running a tiny amount of dbol for weeks at a time.

test thing ull hear mixed opinions. Always did test and felt I wasted 7 yrs. Of bloating up and turning my skin red for weeks n looking blocky n watery.

now all  anabolic bases. Like deca n dbol. Libido is fine. Even gh15 said he nevered heard of deca dick till he came to the boards lol. My dicks fine to.
ya test side effects r easy to control. Kinda.. Even a ai or heavy nolva only slightly masked problems. N then ur putting in more drugs. Without test all the side effects I'd get before like hairloss n gyno are gone. No flare ups. Not to mention it looks like everything I gain now Is super lean. Muscles getting round and poping out and abs are staying.

on test I felt bloated and blocky. I think cause the muscles barely grew kept a square natural shape. Ya I go up 20lbs  but all in a square gut n square physique with no lines.

something to think about. If you like test than atleast keep the dbol in for a decent amount of time.

[flinstones1]

I think it looks horrible.

this board is all about stopping the bullshit cycles n people who keep advsing them n the truth.

ditch the whole 4 weeks on orals till test kicks in. Worst idea ever. Dbol is a amazing anabolic gh15 said himself one of the best growth drugs. So why stop it for 4 wks n let shitty test keep going? Run dbol whole time n get real gains not 10 weeks of test bloat n lose it all.

is ur liver bad is that why 4 weeks? If so than don't take orals at all. But oral side effects are bullshit if ur running a tiny amount of dbol for weeks at a time.

test thing ull hear mixed opinions. Always did test and felt I wasted 7 yrs. Of bloating up and turning my skin red for weeks n looking blocky n watery.

now all  anabolic bases. Like deca n dbol. Libido is fine. Even gh15 said he nevered heard of deca dick till he came to the boards lol. My dicks fine to.
ya test side effects r easy to control. Kinda.. Even a ai or heavy nolva only slightly masked problems. N then ur putting in more drugs. Without test all the side effects I'd get before like hairloss n gyno are gone. No flare ups. Not to mention it looks like everything I gain now Is super lean. Muscles getting round and poping out and abs are staying.

on test I felt bloated and blocky. I think cause the muscles barely grew kept a square natural shape. Ya I go up 20lbs  but all in a square gut n square physique with no lines.

something to think about. If you like test than atleast keep the dbol in for a decent amount of time.

fantastic posting!

[theheman]

What's your goal?  What are you wanting?  A 4 week cycle isn't even worth doing.  If you're going to get into bodybuilding do it properly dont' fuck around.   I would highly recommend you read all 3 phases of the "Bodybuilding for the Poor" by gh15.  The only advice I take is from gh15.  He said just by taking 200mg of trenbolone ace a week you'll look like a bodybuilder and that's what I take and I'm seeing the difference big time.

[DorianGrey]

thanks for all the replies fellas..

this is my first cycle thats why i chose test and dbol..

im gonna keep the dbol for longer then.,

any tips on the ai dosage?


my goal is to build some mass while trying to maintain same bf or close to it...

thanks for all the help fellas

[Swlabr]

I'd go for 50 mg tren ED. Fuck test, it bloats the shit out of me. If you want lean, quality mass, go for trenbolona.

[ChevChelios]

lyquid gave you solid info   

Don't follow retards advices by first cycle test only & co...It is all bullshit,they advocate like retards.If you have bad sides to test,that doesnt guarantte you the same with trenbologne,nandrolone,eq and stuff.The same goes for everything,you have to try it on your own skin to see what's suitable for you.Start with 40 dbol(be sure it's legit) and 50 tren-a ed.If you go well you can add some test-p if lacking sex-drive.You should not need any ai,but if you still do,get some aromasin and start at 12.5 a day.Aromasin it's better than arimidex or letro cause it's working on a different way on estrogen,no interaction at all with aas.

[Swlabr]

lyquid gave you solid info   

Don't follow retards advices by first cycle test only & co...It is all bullshit,they advocate like retards.If you have bad sides to test,that doesnt guarantte you the same with trenbologne,nandrolone,eq and stuff.The same goes for everything,you have to try it on your own skin to see what's suitable for you.Start with 40 dbol(be sure it's legit) and 50 tren-a ed.If you go well you can add some test-p if lacking sex-drive.You should not need any ai,but if you still do,get some aromasin and start at 12.5 a day.Aromasin it's better than arimidex or letro cause it's working on a different way on estrogen,no interaction at all with aas.

This. The only downside to tren every day is that it might be difficult to inject every day when you're new to it. You should get used to it after a week or two, though.

[DorianGrey]

Again than you guys for the help but I'm already in week 2.

I understand the logic behind using trenbolona...I'm just not used to injecting so often, maybe next cycle.

Can I add tren e and pin it x2 a week with the test e?
Or any other compound recommended to add?

[ChevChelios]

Sure you can but you need to run smth like 12-14 weeks to run things properly.Plus tren-e is not so much as effective as tren-a,still a great aas,but not so potent like acetate.However 600 mg tren-e equals 500 acetate as actual steroid due to the longer atom needed for enanthat ester.You could run 400 mg tren since it;s your first cycle and you will not jump on average doses.

If you went with test-e already,then you can choose some deca with it.But be prepared to get bloated son,dbol+deca+test=big bloat for sure.

[DorianGrey]

chev,

wouldnt the AI help with the bloat if i were to add deca?

what about adding eq?

would winny dry me out if used at the end of the cycle overlapping into pct?

[ChevChelios]

Winny sucks,you do not need it unless you go on stage soon..Tabs fuck liver,injectables may give you abscess since it's micro-cristalized...What do you choose?Ai would sure help with the bloat,but will also limit your gains...life sucks i know Eq is good steroid IF you take at least 600 mg,you take it long enough,and if you find it legit,and that is a very hard mission.If i were you, i would not go with test and a progestin same time,in case of gyno appears you would not know why,because of test or deca.I would go with things you already bought,test and dbol,add some anavar if you want,finish things up,see how you recover since it's your first cycle,then go hard on tren+eq+whatever you want.My 0.02 

[DorianGrey]

thanks chev,

ok...so

no winny,
source's eq prob not legit
stick to what i got already have

next cycle use z trenbolona,,

can my diet control the bloat? not eliminate it just keep it at check along with the AI?

Routine is every other day with cardio afterwards starting at 30 mins increasing by 5 mins every 2 weeks
any recommendations?

[aesthetics]

I think it looks horrible.

this board is all about stopping the bullshit cycles n people who keep advsing them n the truth.

ditch the whole 4 weeks on orals till test kicks in. Worst idea ever. Dbol is a amazing anabolic gh15 said himself one of the best growth drugs. So why stop it for 4 wks n let shitty test keep going? Run dbol whole time n get real gains not 10 weeks of test bloat n lose it all.

is ur liver bad is that why 4 weeks? If so than don't take orals at all. But oral side effects are bullshit if ur running a tiny amount of dbol for weeks at a time.

test thing ull hear mixed opinions. Always did test and felt I wasted 7 yrs. Of bloating up and turning my skin red for weeks n looking blocky n watery.

now all  anabolic bases. Like deca n dbol. Libido is fine. Even gh15 said he nevered heard of deca dick till he came to the boards lol. My dicks fine to.
ya test side effects r easy to control. Kinda.. Even a ai or heavy nolva only slightly masked problems. N then ur putting in more drugs. Without test all the side effects I'd get before like hairloss n gyno are gone. No flare ups. Not to mention it looks like everything I gain now Is super lean. Muscles getting round and poping out and abs are staying.

on test I felt bloated and blocky. I think cause the muscles barely grew kept a square natural shape. Ya I go up 20lbs  but all in a square gut n square physique with no lines.

something to think about. If you like test than atleast keep the dbol in for a decent amount of time.

echoed my thoughts when i saw test only cycle. what a garbage cycle. i really hate the fact that test as a necessity has become common mantra because so many keep repeating the same nonsense without even knowing why. test is shit, i hate it, run anything besides test, hell i'd rather run a 12 week oral cycle over test.

liver toxicity of orals is highly overstated as well, aids patients in studies have ran 150mg of anadrol a day for 30 weeks without seriously damaging their liver. unless you are drinking heavily and using other recreational drugs while using orals then it's not a big deal to run orals.

[nosleep]

ID JUST KEEP 250MG TEST AND CYCLE IN AND OUT OTHER PRODUCTS. 600MG-900MG EQ, 400MG-800MG DECA, 500MG-800MG PRIMO, 300MG PLUS OF TREN OR MASTERON.

ID LIKE TO KEEP A BASE OF TEST. BUT NOT AS A PRIMARY ROUTE. 250MG WONT PRODUCE MASSIVE BLOAT.

[aesthetics]

ID JUST KEEP 250MG TEST AND CYCLE IN AND OUT OTHER PRODUCTS. 600MG-900MG EQ, 400MG-800MG DECA, 500MG-800MG PRIMO, 300MG PLUS OF TREN OR MASTERON.

ID LIKE TO KEEP A BASE OF TEST. BUT NOT AS A PRIMARY ROUTE. 250MG WONT PRODUCE MASSIVE BLOAT.

ya that looks good and i agree a little test is good just for the estrogen, as a little estrogen is critical for growth hormone production, joint, skin and hair health. but little known fact is that nandrolone aromatizes to estrogen at a very low rate, so does eq and a few others, which would be more than enough to give normal estrogen levels without causing gyno or water weight.

so in that regard test isn't entirely necessary and whether someone uses it depends on what their goals are, but for me using test runs complete opposite of my goals. i personally, for myself, don't see the point of running 1 gram of test, getting bloofy, moon face, acne, and hairloss simply to get the same gains as 300mg of tren without any of the added benefits of tren. i'm over with test.

[DorianGrey]

i get that tren is the motto but wouldnt it be kinda difficult for someone who is new to pinning?

ed pins are not exactly something that a newbie is trying to get into

i guess i will finish my cycle i will keep the dbol for longer...and see how it plans out.

i guess ill be on the hunt for some legit EQ.

thanks again fellas...


any other suggestions?.

[nosleep]

i get that tren is the motto but wouldnt it be kinda difficult for someone who is new to pinning?

ed pins are not exactly something that a newbie is trying to get into

i guess i will finish my cycle i will keep the dbol for longer...and see how it plans out.

i guess ill be on the hunt for some legit EQ.

thanks again fellas...


any other suggestions?.

SLIN PIN THAT TREN....NO WORRIES

[DorianGrey]

any recommendations on dosing the aromasin?

[flinstones1]

I'd go for 50 mg tren ED. Fuck test, it bloats the shit out of me. If you want lean, quality mass, go for trenbolona.

but..test is cheap and human grade is easy to get. Besides you need estrogen to keep growing Bill Roberts had a good article going into detail on this I'll look for it. I'm not saying tren is not superior to testosterone, but time is also important. You need to use steroids for a long period of time in very high doses to achieve massive size, that is where testosterone comes in handy (or anabolics) but not tren and orals

[DorianGrey]

this has made me even more confused...

i thought after doing all my research the consensus was that " test is king "

ive read the bible and i believe gh15 is completely right, but what about in the 70s n 80s.?

was tren the wonder drug then too?