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Obamacare
« on: December 03, 2011, 10:16:48 AM »

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2011, 10:17:24 AM »
Uh-oh

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2011, 10:18:25 AM »
Well let the Supreme Court decide...I'm guessing no.  If yes, the socialism is officially here.
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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2011, 10:20:42 AM »
Less Overhead Spending = More Fraud

This is gonna get interesting.

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2011, 10:20:42 AM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/

pretty good policy in my opinion, this specifically.

i agree that's not bad but it doesn't make up for the giant steaming pile of shit that the healthcare reform actually is.

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Re: Obamacare
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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2011, 10:26:08 AM »
I dont really know how to feel about this.

The idea sounds good in concept, I just dont want to see the government drive insurance companies out of the business, but at the same time, I really want to make sure the money I spend on health insurance goes to my coverage, not into their expenditure.

Im not really informed enough to know how this is going to affect shit, but going by previous history, I have the gut feeling this is not the great, glorious thing that writer made it out to be.......

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2011, 10:31:21 AM »
Choking on Obamacare
By George F. Will, Published: December 2
LOS ANGELES



In 1941, Carl Karcher was a 24-year-old truck driver for a bakery. Impressed by the large numbers of buns he was delivering, he scrounged up $326 to buy a hot dog cart across from a Goodyear plant. And the war came.

So did millions of defense industry workers and their cars. And, soon, Southern California’s contribution to American cuisine — fast food. Including, eventually, hundreds of Carl’s Jr. restaurants. Karcher died in 2008, but his legacy, CKE Restaurants, survives. It would thrive, says CEO Andy Puzder, but for government’s comprehensive campaign against job creation.

CKE, with more than 3,200 restaurants (Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s), has created 70,000 jobs, 21,000 directly and 49,000 with franchisees. The growth of those numbers will be inhibited by — among many government measures — Obamacare.

When CKE’s health-care advisers, citing Obamacare’s complexities, opacities and uncertainties, said that it would add between $7.3 million and $35.1 million to the company’s $12 million health-care costs in 2010, Puzder said: I need a number I can plan with. They guessed $18 million — twice what CKE spent last year building new restaurants. Obamacare must mean fewer restaurants.

And therefore fewer jobs. Each restaurant creates, on average, 25 jobs — and as much as 3.5 times that number of jobs in the community. (CKE spends about $1 billion a year on food and paper products, $175 million on advertising, $33 million on maintenance, etc.)

Puzder laughs about the liberal theory that businesses are not investing because they want to “punish Obama.” Rising health-care costs are, he says, just one uncertainty inhibiting expansion. Others are government policies raising fuel costs, which infect everything from air conditioning to the cost (including deliveries) of supplies, and the threat that the National Labor Relations Board will use regulations to impose something like “card check” in place of secret-ballot unionization elections.

CKE has about 720 California restaurants, in which 84 percent of the managers are minorities and 67 percent are women. CKE has, however, all but stopped building restaurants in this state because approvals and permits for establishing them can take up to two years, compared to as little as six weeks in Texas, and the cost to build one is $100,000 more than in Texas, where CKE is planning to open 300 new restaurants this decade.

CKE restaurants have 95 percent employee turnover in a year — not bad in this industry — and the health-care benefits under CKE’s current “mini-med” plans are capped in a way that makes them illegal under Obamacare. So CKE will have to convert many full-time employees to part-timers to limit the growth of its burdens under Obamacare.

In an economic climate of increasing uncertainties, Puzder says, one certainty is that many businesses now marginally profitable will disappear when Obamacare causes that margin to disappear. A second certainty is that “employers everywhere will be looking to reduce labor content in their business models as Obamacare makes employees unambiguously more expensive.”

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, by 2008 the cost of federal regulations had reached $1.75 trillion. That was 14 percent of national income unavailable for job-creating investments. And that was more than 11,000 regulations ago.

Seventy years ago, the local health department complained that Karcher’s hot dog cart had no restroom facilities. He got help from a nearby gas station. A state agency made him pay $15 for workers’ compensation insurance. Another agency said that he owed more than the $326 cost of the cart in back sales taxes. For $100, a lawyer successfully argued that Karcher did not because his customers ate their hot dogs off the premises.

Time was, American businesses could surmount such regulatory officiousness. But government’s metabolic urge to boss people around has grown exponentially and today CKE’s California restaurants are governed by 57 categories of regulations. One compels employees and even managers to take breaks during the busiest hours, lest one of California’s 200,000 lawyers comes trolling for business at the expense of business.

Barack Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” Puzder knows what it feels like when gargantuan government is composed of multitudes of regulators who regard business as the enemy. And 22.9 million Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or too discouraged to look for employment know what it feels like to be collateral damage in the regulatory state’s war on business.

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2011, 10:46:00 AM »
lol....even on a saturday the pieces will still fall into place on this forum

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2011, 11:47:11 AM »
Yes...that same model works well in other socialist countries..hahahahahahah a!

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 11:58:46 AM »
Yes...that same model works well in other socialist countries..hahahahahahah a!

Yes Soviet Union in the past and present day Cuba are glorious shining examples. The leaders got the same healthcare as the average citizen, everything was awesome.
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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 12:02:04 PM »
OBAMACARENA


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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 12:57:14 PM »
Yes...that same model works well in other socialist countries..hahahahahahah a!

you do realize that your health care is shit right? that it will collapse if something isn't done. The us spends the most on healthcare and gets shit out of it. If insurers are required to use 80% of your money on your health and allowed to use the other for profit then both parties win, however, the insurance companies are using somewhere in the range of 60% of the money for profits etc.. what sense does that make?

its a good idea, lets see how it works out.

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 01:00:41 PM »
you do realize that your health care is shit right? that it will collapse if something isn't done. The us spends the most on healthcare and gets shit out of it. If insurers are required to use 80% of your money on your health and allowed to use the other for profit then both parties win, however, the insurance companies are using somewhere in the range of 60% of the money for profits etc.. what sense does that make?

its a good idea, lets see how it works out.

And what does obamacare do to fix that?   N O T H I N G 


 

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 01:07:03 PM »
And what does obamacare do to fix that?   N O T H I N G 


 

this is one policy that should have a hugely beneficial effect on the people requiring healthcare. The system is so fucked its probably going to take a major overhaul and focus on people education and prevention as you have to many fat fucks in america.

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2011, 01:08:02 PM »
this is one policy that should have a hugely beneficial effect on the people requiring healthcare. The system is so fucked its probably going to take a major overhaul and focus on people education and prevention as you have to many fat fucks in america.


sorry douchebag - we spent 1 1/2 on that pofs called obamacare and it only makes matters worse - go take it up with pelosi and obama.   

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2011, 01:13:44 PM »
Choking on Obamacare
By George F. Will, Published: December 2
LOS ANGELES



In 1941, Carl Karcher was a 24-year-old truck driver for a bakery. Impressed by the large numbers of buns he was delivering, he scrounged up $326 to buy a hot dog cart across from a Goodyear plant. And the war came.

So did millions of defense industry workers and their cars. And, soon, Southern California’s contribution to American cuisine — fast food. Including, eventually, hundreds of Carl’s Jr. restaurants. Karcher died in 2008, but his legacy, CKE Restaurants, survives. It would thrive, says CEO Andy Puzder, but for government’s comprehensive campaign against job creation.

CKE, with more than 3,200 restaurants (Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s), has created 70,000 jobs, 21,000 directly and 49,000 with franchisees. The growth of those numbers will be inhibited by — among many government measures — Obamacare.

When CKE’s health-care advisers, citing Obamacare’s complexities, opacities and uncertainties, said that it would add between $7.3 million and $35.1 million to the company’s $12 million Medicare Supplement Plans health-care costs in 2010, Puzder said: I need a number I can plan with. They guessed $18 million — twice what CKE spent last year building new restaurants. Obamacare must mean fewer restaurants.

And therefore fewer jobs. Each restaurant creates, on average, 25 jobs — and as much as 3.5 times that number of jobs in the community. (CKE spends about $1 billion a year on food and paper products, $175 million on advertising, $33 million on maintenance, etc.)

Puzder laughs about the liberal theory that businesses are not investing because they want to “punish Obama.” Rising health-care costs are, he says, just one uncertainty inhibiting expansion. Medicare Supplemental Insurance Others are government policies raising fuel costs, which infect everything from air conditioning to the cost (including deliveries) of supplies, and the threat that the National Labor Relations Board will use regulations to impose something like “card check” in place of secret-ballot unionization elections.

CKE has about 720 California restaurants, in which 84 percent of the managers are minorities and 67 percent are women. CKE has, however, all but stopped building restaurants in this American Seniors Insurance state because approvals and permits for establishing them can take up to two years, compared to as little as six weeks in Texas, and the cost to build one is $100,000 more than in Texas, where CKE is planning to open 300 new restaurants this decade.

CKE restaurants have 95 percent employee turnover in a year — not bad in this industry — and the health-care benefits under CKE’s current “mini-med” plans are capped in a way that makes them illegal under Obamacare. So CKE will have to convert many full-time employees to part-timers to limit the growth of its burdens under Obamacare.

In an economic climate of increasing uncertainties, Puzder says, one certainty is that many businesses now marginally profitable will disappear when Obamacare causes that margin to disappear. A second certainty is that “employers everywhere will be looking to reduce labor content in their business Medicare Supplement models as Obamacare makes employees unambiguously more expensive.”

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, by 2008 the cost of federal regulations had reached $1.75 trillion. That was 14 percent of national income unavailable for job-creating investments. And that was more than 11,000 regulations ago.

Seventy years ago, the local health department complained that Karcher’s hot dog cart had no restroom facilities. He got help from a nearby gas station. A state agency made him pay $15 for workers’ compensation insurance. Another agency said that he owed more than the $326 cost of the cart in back sales taxes. For $100, a lawyer successfully argued that Karcher did not because his customers ate their hot dogs off the premises.

Time was, American businesses could surmount such regulatory officiousness. But government’s metabolic urge to boss people around has grown exponentially and today CKE’s California restaurants Medicare Supplements Insurance are governed by 57 categories of regulations. One compels employees and even managers to take breaks during the busiest hours, lest one of California’s 200,000 lawyers comes trolling for business at the expense of business.

Barack Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” Puzder knows what it feels like when gargantuan government is composed of multitudes Medicare Supplements of regulators who regard business as the enemy. And 22.9 million Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or too discouraged to look for employment know what it feels like to be collateral damage in the regulatory state’s war on business.



George is correct.

The S.C will find Obamacare Unconstitutional

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2011, 01:21:54 PM »
And what does obamacare do to fix that?   N O T H I N G 


 

correct. in fact it makes it worse and increases medical costs for the average person. obamacare is just a massive subsidy to big pharma, the ones who filled obamas coffers with millions of dollars during his election campaign.

fuck obama, fuck obamacare, fuck insurance companies and fuck major pharmaceuticals that all use their political power to create a monopoly on healthcare in america in order to extort obscene profits from the wallets of the working class.

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2011, 01:32:14 PM »
Yes...that same model works well in other socialist countries..hahahahahahah a!
what we have is no jewel and you have no answers, none.
be glad you don't have to rely on the va.  anything, anything from obamacare
will only be a plus for me. i served my country and get no dental, no vision,
3 month waits to primary care. nearest va hospital is 100 miles away and
to top it all off, if you call the va clinic here for the mental health department,
YOU GET AN ANSWERING MACHINE.

just remember, when your insurance is used up and so is
all of your glorious money,  your death panel awaits same as for us all
regardless of race color or creed

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2011, 01:35:18 PM »
speaking of healthcare and the economy,
the quickest way to tank the entire global economy IS
cure cancer.
which is why they won't ever as long as we have live in monetary system
based on debt.  or aids or even the common cold. look how much worthless
shit would have to be removed from store shelves and those sales lost.
hmmm?

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2011, 01:41:53 PM »
what we have is no jewel and you have no answers, none.
be glad you don't have to rely on the va.  anything, anything from obamacare
will only be a plus for me. i served my country and get no dental, no vision,
3 month waits to primary care. nearest va hospital is 100 miles away and
to top it all off, if you call the va clinic here for the mental health department,
YOU GET AN ANSWERING MACHINE.

just remember, when your insurance is used up and so is
all of your glorious money,  your death panel awaits same as for us all
regardless of race color or creed


The VA is the perfect example of why we don't need Obamacare. Everyone in the country would be facing VA-like situations. My ex-father in law was being under the care of the VA. What happen? He had diabetes and instead of trying to control it to save his limbs, the had 3 amputations and died.

Hawaii is socialized and broke because of a similar health care systems as well as Massachusetts. It doesn't work, never has never will. Every time a Dem gets in they try rehash the same ole shit.

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2011, 01:57:39 PM »
Yes...that same model works well in other socialist countries..hahahahahahah a!

So how do you propose the US changes its healthcare system to make it better? Because right now it's an atrocity. Anyone defending it should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

A large majority of socialized countries take waaaay better care of their citizens than the US. The infant mortality rate should give you a clue among other things. Why are you so against this kind of healthcare? It has been proven to work over and over again.

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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/mort-o18.shtml

"A report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) documents how the infant mortality rate in the United States is growing in relation to other countries. The study, "Recent Trends in Infant Mortality in the United States," found that at least 28 other countries now have lower death rates for infants in the first year of life.
 
The US's relative position has declined steadily. In 1960, it had the 12th lowest infant mortality rate, but by 1990 had dropped to 23rd place, and by 2004—the latest year of the CDC's comparative world figures on living standards—the US ranked 29th. The most recent study, published in July and titled "The Measure of America," estimated that the US is now in 34th place.
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How can you possibly defend this kind of system?
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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2011, 02:00:16 PM »
The VA is the perfect example of why we don't need Obamacare. Everyone in the country would be facing VA-like situations. My ex-father in law was being under the care of the VA. What happen? He had diabetes and instead of trying to control it to save his limbs, the had 3 amputations and died.

Hawaii is socialized and broke because of a similar health care systems as well as Massachusetts. It doesn't work, never has never will. Every time a Dem gets in they try rehash the same ole shit.

Well obviously everytime socialized healthcare has been implemented it didn't work because of evil corporations bro.
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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2011, 02:06:27 PM »
Well obviously everytime socialized healthcare has been implemented it didn't work because of evil corporations bro.

lol......your're kidding right?

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Re: Obamacare
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2011, 02:16:34 PM »
coach i don't see how you can tell the two parties apart.
i suggest looking past the blame because no matter the party
the game is the same and is has not and will not change under
any form of monetary system based on debt.  it is impossible.

not meaning anything negative to the deceased but LIFE and
the va requires a person to stand their ground and put their foot down
to get whatever it is "you" feel "you" need.  you cannot be a sheep
and expect much except they will let you die.

for what you do for a living you understand sheep and those that will
stand up for themselves and fight.  this life is not about voting or depending
on a government to ever do what is in the best interest of you nor I.
and we my friend are on complete opposite ends of the financial and health spectrum.

I have life threatening health issues and i am sure not about to bullshit about
anything related to health care or the government.  nor am i swayed by political bro
science.

i have documented on my blog my escapades with the va. it's sickening.
the only thing that sickens me more is the kids that are in the service getting fucked up
thinking their service has anything to do with serving god or country.
that is what all gov people tell them and it is a lie.
most of the young bastards were like me when i went in.
i just wanted a job.  :'(  :-\
in 1975 unemployment in ca was 8.5%. i just wanted a job.
i woulda passed on the optional liver disease. honest i woulda had i known