agreed, although many might disagree, but i could care less. tiny waist, proportionate, great symmetry, shorter yet still massive for his height, and is ALWAYS spot on in terms of conditioning. one of the best of all time IMO as well. when he won the olympia recently, i was so glad because he deserved it, and i thought bodybuilding was taking a step in the right direction, but then the following year, it just took a step backward again.