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ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« on: December 13, 2011, 05:30:20 AM »
..Obamacare Mandate Kicking Insurance Agents To The Curb
By Nigam Arora | Forbes – 20 hrs ago....Email

http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-mandate-kicking-insurance-agents-curb-165451856.html




In an environment where jobs are hard to find, the Obama administration has thrown more than 100,000 health insurance agents and brokers under the bus and given them the gift of an unemployment line just before the holidays.

To make matters worse, a large number of insurance agents, known in the trade as producers, are self-employed and under the prevailing laws may have difficulty receiving unemployment insurance.

It all stems from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), known colloquially as Obamacare.  PPACA dictates that health insurers must spend at least $0.80 of every $1.00 in premiums collected on health care in the individual and small group markets, and $0.85 in the large group market.

Insurance agents were recently able to get backing from National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) to exclude their commissions from this medical loss ratio calculation (MLR), which refers to the percentage of premium dollars spent on medical claims. For example, if an insurance company received $100 in premiums and spent $80 on medical claims, its MLR would be 80%.

Starting January 1, 2011, PPACA required health insurance companies to provide an annual rebate to the insured if MLR was less than 80% in the individual and small group markets and 85% in the large group market.  The point of the law is to reduce selling, general and administrative expenses of the insurance companies.

In 2008, insurance companies spent 2.02% of the premiums on selling commissions. Commissions ranked just behind staff compensation among the expense categories of SG & A, representing 17.43% of the administrative expense.

The insurance companies have been cutting back on commissions to comply with the law. There are a lot of statistics floating around, but perhaps most instructive is the following paragraph from a United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) report:

Almost all of the insurers we interviewed were reducing brokers’ commissions and making adjustments to premiums in response to the PPACA MLR requirements. These insurers said that they have decreased or plan to decrease commissions to brokers in an effort to increase their MLRs. One insurer said they started making reductions to their brokers’ commissions in the fourth quarter of 2010 for their individual and small group plans to increase their 2011 PPACA MLRs in these markets and, as a result, premiums were not as high as they otherwise would have been. This insurer said these reductions will take effect gradually because they are only being applied to new sales or when groups renew annually. Another insurer lowered commissions to their brokers in the individual market in the first quarter of 2011, such that premiums were increased less than they otherwise would have been, which they expect to result in an increase in their PPACA MLRs for 2011.

Since the MLR regulations became effective, insurance agents have seen commissions decline by as much as 50%. It appears that all major insurance companies such as WellPoint (WLP), United Health (UNH), Aetna (AET), Humana (HUM), and Cigna (CI) have been cutting commissions.

Led by National Association of Health Underwriters (NAHU), which claims to represent 100,000 health insurance agents, brokers, and related professionals, the Obama administration was lobbied hard to provide relief to insurance agents. The hope of the insurance agents had risen because of the recent backing  by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

In a recent ruling, the Department of Health and Human Services dashed all hopes.

Now the only hope left is H.R.1206, the Professional Health Insurance Advisors Act, a pending bill in Congress that would exclude compensation paid to independent insurance producers for the purposes of MLR. By allowing the argument to be framed as it has been done, insurance agents have now fostered a powerful coalition, including the AFL-CIO against them.

 

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 05:42:59 AM »
..Obamacare Mandate Kicking Insurance Agents To The Curb
By Nigam Arora | Forbes – 20 hrs ago....Email

http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-mandate-kicking-insurance-agents-curb-165451856.html




In an environment where jobs are hard to find, the Obama administration has thrown more than 100,000 health insurance agents and brokers under the bus and given them the gift of an unemployment line just before the holidays.

To make matters worse, a large number of insurance agents, known in the trade as producers, are self-employed and under the prevailing laws may have difficulty receiving unemployment insurance.

It all stems from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), known colloquially as Obamacare.  PPACA dictates that health insurers must spend at least $0.80 of every $1.00 in premiums collected on health care in the individual and small group markets, and $0.85 in the large group market.

Insurance agents were recently able to get backing from National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) to exclude their commissions from this medical loss ratio calculation (MLR), which refers to the percentage of premium dollars spent on medical claims. For example, if an insurance company received $100 in premiums and spent $80 on medical claims, its MLR would be 80%.

Starting January 1, 2011, PPACA required health insurance companies to provide an annual rebate to the insured if MLR was less than 80% in the individual and small group markets and 85% in the large group market.  The point of the law is to reduce selling, general and administrative expenses of the insurance companies.

In 2008, insurance companies spent 2.02% of the premiums on selling commissions. Commissions ranked just behind staff compensation among the expense categories of SG & A, representing 17.43% of the administrative expense.

The insurance companies have been cutting back on commissions to comply with the law. There are a lot of statistics floating around, but perhaps most instructive is the following paragraph from a United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) report:

Almost all of the insurers we interviewed were reducing brokers’ commissions and making adjustments to premiums in response to the PPACA MLR requirements. These insurers said that they have decreased or plan to decrease commissions to brokers in an effort to increase their MLRs. One insurer said they started making reductions to their brokers’ commissions in the fourth quarter of 2010 for their individual and small group plans to increase their 2011 PPACA MLRs in these markets and, as a result, premiums were not as high as they otherwise would have been. This insurer said these reductions will take effect gradually because they are only being applied to new sales or when groups renew annually. Another insurer lowered commissions to their brokers in the individual market in the first quarter of 2011, such that premiums were increased less than they otherwise would have been, which they expect to result in an increase in their PPACA MLRs for 2011.

Since the MLR regulations became effective, insurance agents have seen commissions decline by as much as 50%. It appears that all major insurance companies such as WellPoint (WLP), United Health (UNH), Aetna (AET), Humana (HUM), and Cigna (CI) have been cutting commissions.

Led by National Association of Health Underwriters (NAHU), which claims to represent 100,000 health insurance agents, brokers, and related professionals, the Obama administration was lobbied hard to provide relief to insurance agents. The hope of the insurance agents had risen because of the recent backing  by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

In a recent ruling, the Department of Health and Human Services dashed all hopes.

Now the only hope left is H.R.1206, the Professional Health Insurance Advisors Act, a pending bill in Congress that would exclude compensation paid to independent insurance producers for the purposes of MLR. By allowing the argument to be framed as it has been done, insurance agents have now fostered a powerful coalition, including the AFL-CIO against them.

 

About Me: I am an engineer and nuclear physicist by background, have founded two Inc. 500 fastest growing companies and have been involved in over 50 entrepreneurial ventures. I am the chief investment officer at The Arora Report which publishes four newsletters to help investors profit from change.



The Supreme Court needs to throw Obamacare in the garbage asap.

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 08:00:50 AM »
..Obamacare Mandate Kicking Insurance Agents To The Curb
By Nigam Arora | Forbes – 20 hrs ago....Email

http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-mandate-kicking-insurance-agents-curb-165451856.html




In an environment where jobs are hard to find, the Obama administration has thrown more than 100,000 health insurance agents and brokers under the bus and given them the gift of an unemployment line just before the holidays.

To make matters worse, a large number of insurance agents, known in the trade as producers, are self-employed and under the prevailing laws may have difficulty receiving unemployment insurance.

It all stems from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), known colloquially as Obamacare.  PPACA dictates that health insurers must spend at least $0.80 of every $1.00 in premiums collected on health care in the individual and small group markets, and $0.85 in the large group market.

Insurance agents were recently able to get backing from National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) to exclude their commissions from this medical loss ratio calculation (MLR), which refers to the percentage of premium dollars spent on medical claims. For example, if an insurance company received $100 in premiums and spent $80 on medical claims, its MLR would be 80%.

Starting January 1, 2011, PPACA required health insurance companies to provide an annual rebate to the insured if MLR was less than 80% in the individual and small group markets and 85% in the large group market.  The point of the law is to reduce selling, general and administrative expenses of the insurance companies.

In 2008, insurance companies spent 2.02% of the premiums on selling commissions. Commissions ranked just behind staff compensation among the expense categories of SG & A, representing 17.43% of the administrative expense.

The insurance companies have been cutting back on commissions to comply with the law. There are a lot of statistics floating around, but perhaps most instructive is the following paragraph from a United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) report:

Almost all of the insurers we interviewed were reducing brokers’ commissions and making adjustments to premiums in response to the PPACA MLR requirements. These insurers said that they have decreased or plan to decrease commissions to brokers in an effort to increase their MLRs. One insurer said they started making reductions to their brokers’ commissions in the fourth quarter of 2010 for their individual and small group plans to increase their 2011 PPACA MLRs in these markets and, as a result, premiums were not as high as they otherwise would have been. This insurer said these reductions will take effect gradually because they are only being applied to new sales or when groups renew annually. Another insurer lowered commissions to their brokers in the individual market in the first quarter of 2011, such that premiums were increased less than they otherwise would have been, which they expect to result in an increase in their PPACA MLRs for 2011.

Since the MLR regulations became effective, insurance agents have seen commissions decline by as much as 50%. It appears that all major insurance companies such as WellPoint (WLP), United Health (UNH), Aetna (AET), Humana (HUM), and Cigna (CI) have been cutting commissions.

Led by National Association of Health Underwriters (NAHU), which claims to represent 100,000 health insurance agents, brokers, and related professionals, the Obama administration was lobbied hard to provide relief to insurance agents. The hope of the insurance agents had risen because of the recent backing  by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.

In a recent ruling, the Department of Health and Human Services dashed all hopes.

Now the only hope left is H.R.1206, the Professional Health Insurance Advisors Act, a pending bill in Congress that would exclude compensation paid to independent insurance producers for the purposes of MLR. By allowing the argument to be framed as it has been done, insurance agents have now fostered a powerful coalition, including the AFL-CIO against them.

 

About Me: I am an engineer and nuclear physicist by background, have founded two Inc. 500 fastest growing companies and have been involved in over 50 entrepreneurial ventures. I am the chief investment officer at The Arora Report which publishes four newsletters to help investors profit from change.




A lot of those insurance brokers were pretty crooked to begin with.
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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 08:01:50 AM »
Are car insurance and home insurance agents corrupt too?

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 08:10:32 AM »
Car and home insurance agents have never denied a claim that could direct affect the health and longevity of a person.

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 08:23:14 AM »
Car and home insurance agents have never denied a claim that could direct affect the health and longevity of a person.

Health Insurance Agents are not in charge of claims.

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 08:26:52 AM »
Health Insurance Agents are not in charge of claims.

Beat me to it. 


So lurker - is it good that 100k people are not without an income due to obamacare? 

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 08:32:23 AM »
Health Insurance Agents are not in charge of claims.

Oops. There goes his argument.

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 08:37:25 AM »
Skills
   A health insurance agent must have an in-depth knowledge in the policy he sells, in order to answer client questions. An agent is expected to be confident, have excellent communication skills and be able to meet sales targets. Many skills needed, such as how to write a policy, are acquired through pre-licensing courses and on-the-job shadowing.
Read more: Health Insurance Agent Job Description | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6576374_health-insurance-agent-job-description.html#ixzz1gQvuRFRH


If he sells you a policy you get denied on then that is just as bad as the person that actually denies it.


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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 08:38:27 AM »
Skills
   A health insurance agent must have an in-depth knowledge in the policy he sells, in order to answer client questions. An agent is expected to be confident, have excellent communication skills and be able to meet sales targets. Many skills needed, such as how to write a policy, are acquired through pre-licensing courses and on-the-job shadowing.
Read more: Health Insurance Agent Job Description | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6576374_health-insurance-agent-job-description.html#ixzz1gQvuRFRH


If he sells you a policy you get denied on then that is just as bad as the person that actually denies it.





LMFAO!!!!   Just quit now douchebag.   

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 08:39:03 AM »
Of course these agents can join the thousands of expats were you speaking of?

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 09:01:15 AM »
Of course these agents can join the thousands of expats were you speaking of?

No they will just be added to the millions of unemployed in this Country.

Hope and Change !!

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Re: ObamaCare just tossed 100k people out of work.
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2011, 09:03:32 AM »
No they will just be added to the millions of unemployed in this Country.

Hope and Change !!

POFS Obamabots like lurker and straw see absolutely no connection between the horrible economy and obama's suicidal policies. 

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2011, 09:10:44 AM »
POFS Obamabots like lurker and straw see absolutely no connection between the horrible economy and obama's suicidal policies.  

Or maybe they do see it, and are cheering it on.

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2011, 09:21:24 AM »
Or maybe they do see it, and are cheering it on.

1.  They might want this nation collapsing like obama does. 

2.  They are too stupid to see the idiocy of that which they support. 


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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2011, 09:21:52 AM »
POFS Obamabots like lurker and straw see absolutely no connection between the horrible economy and obama's suicidal policies. 

POFS shut ins like 333 see absolutely  no connection between their rants and the reason they are kept away from society.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2011, 09:22:47 AM »
POFS shut ins like 333 see absolutely  no connection between their rants and the reason they are kept away from society.


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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2011, 09:24:02 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2011, 09:28:05 AM »
Lurker - please give me one possible reason obama deserves a second term.   

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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2011, 11:16:11 AM »
"Deserves"  hahahahahahahahahahahaa   how many times you going to get your ass handed to you off the bat with this "deserves" shit?