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[The True Adonis]

It depends what you call great shape ,Great Adonis.

Great shape is below 10 percent bodyfat, preferably in the 3-8 percent range. 

[littleboyblue]

Speaking of "don't worry about protein." There is a natural bodybuilder (NOT lifetime natural, btw) named Markus Reinhardt who actually REDUCES his protein intake before comps and eats more carbs. He was a friend of Mike Mentzer, who also was a "low protein" and high carb guy.

take a look at markus's capped delts. you really think he's "natural?"

[The True Adonis]

first off i'd like to give credit to the mighty buselmo for coming forward and dispelling any current beliefs and notions about what it takes to get in shape. the guy speaks the truth and its refreshing to say the least.

heres the deal- i have been for the better part of my training/competing life a 'strict dieting'; guy. this means all ratios and calories were measured. nothing given to chance. steroids were used but not relied upon to give me the size and conditioning i wanted.

i never in all those years achieved what i thought of as my full potential competitively, and that played a big part in why i quit- i just figured i didnt have the genetics (the other part being i honestly hated being onstage).

over the past 2 years i started gh. my shit is good. as is any anabolics i have used. one thing i have been very lucky with is getting good gear. i built a good bit of quality in this time- no not size, quality- i didnt want nor do i now want to get bigger. but for the past two years i have had an almost impossible time getting that last little bit of stubborn fat off no matter how hard i dieted. by stubborn fat i mean the last 2% to get me shredded looking to the point you dont need a diuretic to see the quality of the muscle or conditioning- i have always thought that if you were lean enough you wont need a diuretic to look good and i still feel this way, unless your competing, much different story as those stage light as very unforgiving- anyone can look good in their living room.

so, i have sat sat with unhappily with a bf level for the last 2 years i couldnt shake off which was frustratiing to say the least as every time i got lean, i got way to stringy and started to lose too much lean. it was a tricky balancing act for sure.

fast forward to that last two weeks- and this is where buselmo's truths come into play. i went to south american on vacation. i took with me enough eq, winstrol and my prop for 3 weeks cause i am juice monkey at heart and this is what we do- we never stray far from the syringe kids- if you want to be big you gotta learn this rule.- no i wont tell you how i transported it- pm me if you want to know. in that amount of time i trained twice. two upper body workouts. i didnt count calories. i didnt count protein but i can bet it was less than 100 grams a day- for a period of 4-5 days when i was in the mountains i can assure you it was less than 50. i existed on grains, and fruits. i was climbing thru mountain passes, sometimes elevations of over 2000M in one days time- picture being on a stair climber for 6-7 hours a day.

i got back yesterday and when i looked in the mirror (cause you really dont have any idea how your body has changed till you see it in the same mirror and lighting you always are used to seeing it) i had lost that final 2%. i was bigger and rounder than i have ever been. my legs/calves which i havent trained now for a month are considerably fuller from all the climbing. all on less than 100 grams of protein a day.

heres the moral of the story and guys like gh and buselmo and will grant etc etc will keep pounding away at it till you all get it- THIS IS A DRUG DRIVEN PAST TIME AND RESULTS ARE TOTALLY DEPENDANT ON INTAKE AND NOTHING LESS. fuck calories. fuck protein. fuck macros. fuck gurus- take your steroids like good little boys and girls and a lot of them. eat all the carbs you need to give you whatever fuel your body will need to keep moving and working, and if you cant afford 15units of gh a day, get your lazy ass on a stair climber and grind out some long ass intense cardio sessions to get your metabolism going and burn off the baby fat. thats it. and if you can afford the gh, then fuck the stairclimber too.

why did i take the time to write this- cause for the most part i come here to bust balls and have fun. cause i know there are guys on here in the same boat as me- good physiques who have been busting their ass for years dieting and counting macros. its not necessary and it'll be hard for you to get your mind around it after decades of being fed the same ignorant bullshit about 'dieting' cause i was the same way. diet diet diet. keep the protein up. what a joke.

heres my challenge for guys who are lean but trying to get off that last 2 %- try it for two weeks. eat whatever macros you want. dont stuff yourself full- by now you should know your bodies well enough to know when you need fuel and when you dont. and give your body only enough to keep going. exist on coffee the rest of the time as a stim. eat when you are hungry- fuck the clock. do some cardio if you cant afford the gh. come back here and tell me thats you didnt lose that bf, get fuller and look better.

the mighty no one has spoken. let all who read his words be the wiser for it.

your welcome bitches

(and a punch in the cock for the first person who says 'im not reading all that- coles notes please')

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329381.0


What changed your mind?

[che]

Great shape is below 10 percent bodyfat, preferably in the 3-8 percent range. 

If that's  what you call  great shape you are right anyone can be in great shape.

[no one]

Thanks for sharing no one.  You said "picture being on a stair climber for 6-7 hours a day" when describing your physical activity on your holiday.  Do you think that was also a big factor in getting rid of the bit of stubborn fat as opposed to only being the reduction of protein/calories and intake of drugs?

fior sure- thats why i said in my post get on a stairclimber at the gym. a lot of guys are afraid to do cardio they figure it'll rip into their lean- i was the same. first thing- if your taking anabolics you'll save lean, and to get into that last 2% you'll need cardio. i got on the scale today for the first time in 3 weeks at the gym-247.5 pounds and leaner than i have ever. holy fuck that amount of bro science that i dispelled for myself that i believed for years is crazy- catch this- i actually gained lbm on a VERY low protein diet while preforming intense cardio (HIT) over long periods of time- basically everything i did your not supposed to do, and got the exact opposite results of what was supposed to happen by doing it.

groink- exactly bro- what a wake up call.

[The True Adonis]

If that's  what you call  great shape you are right anyone can be in great shape.

Do you find it amusing that "No One" all of a sudden had an "epiphany" when I have been trying to tell the moron this for years and years and he fought it every step of the way?

[no one]

You could have just wrote two words, "Adonis Principles" and not have had to type all of that you know.

ahahahah ok pencil- actually you advocate 1 gram of protein per pound of lbm. thats your first fail.

secondly, you look like shit.

thats the second.

[Hulkotron]

7k posts and i dont know who you are.

contribute or shut the fuck up.

He's one of those weirdos who posts on the Women's board all the time.

[The True Adonis]

ahahahah ok pencil- actually you advocate 1 gram of protein per pound of lbm. thats your first fail.

secondly, you look like shit.

thats the second.

I don`t advocate that particularly.  I give that as a MAX guideline for the stupid shitbrains like you, who needed a plan.  I advocate .5 grams per lb of bodyweight which you will get by default just by eating like a human being.  You really have to go out of your way to NOT eat .5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.

And you live in a one room apartment, like the trash you are.

[wes]

Magz, Supps companies , they all work in concert to sell you  the lie..and make money out of you,..They tell you need certain  amount of protein, supps or you wont reach your goal ...I always question the '45 minutes window of  oppourtunity crap after workouts and that you need a faster protein and fast carbs PWO .. it makes  sense  on paper but ive also gotten in shape ,eating  a solid meal for pwo and didnt notice a difference, actually ive gotten harder and leaner eating solid food for all my meals than when ive thrown 2-3 shakes in the mix..

I`ve experienced this also.

I don`t believe there is a so called "window of opportunity"....Arnold and the old school guys looked great and they ate whenever thay wanted to,not even every 3 -4 hours,just ate when hungry.

[The True Adonis]

I`ve experienced this also.

I don`t believe there is a so called "window of opportunity"....Arold and the old school guys looked great and they ate whenever thay wanted to,not even every 3 -4 hours,just ate when hungry.

One giant meal a day is all you need.

[no one]

You could have just wrote two words, "Adonis Principles" and not have had to type all of that you know.

oh, btw your third fail is that you have never seen the bottom end of 6% or lower. in your 'best' (lol @ 'best' holy fuck what a disaster) pics you never hit 6% bonerack,  so shut your pie hole until you actually accomplish something instead of trying to ride the coat tails of the great NO ONE.

[The True Adonis]

oh, btw your third fail is that you have never seen the bottom end of 6% or lower. in your 'best' pics you never hit 6% bonerack,  so shut your pie hole until you actually accomplish something instead of trying to ride the coat tails of the great NO ONE.

How can you be great when you live in a shit box made out of Particle Board?

[Twaddle]

I don`t advocate that particularly.  I give that as a MAX guideline for the stupid shitbrains like you, who needed a plan.  I advocate .5 grams per lb of bodyweight which you will get by default just by eating like a human being.  You really have to go out of your way to NOT eat .5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.

And you live in a one room apartment, like the trash you are.

What's wrong with a 1 bedroom apartment?  Have you never lived in an apartment?

[wes]

One giant meal a day is all you need.

I`ve seen/read about guys who do/did this and most of them looked damn good...............
makes you re-think a lot of the shit "they" sold us.

[The True Adonis]

What's wrong with a 1 bedroom apartment?  Have you never lived in an apartment?

Everything is wrong with renting to live.  Its money down someones elses toilet.  I have never lived in an apartment and would not find that kind of life appealing.

[Hulkotron]

One giant meal a day is all you need.

How much protein do you typically consume in this meal, TA?

[Tito24]

this song is called, your mom is my drug.

[no one]

How can you be great when you live in a shit box made out of Particle Board?

 

like i said. never been below 6%.

thanks for playing, toothpick.

[no one]

How much protein do you typically consume in this meal, TA?

whatever he can get straight out the tap

[Twaddle]

Everything is wrong with renting to live.  Its money down someones elses toilet.

I don't think it's wrong.  I personally know individuals who have owned, are currently capable of owning now, but prefer to rent.  They seem to be perfectly happy and well off.

[OneMoreRep]

I've said this a few times before...

There is no solid proof that a bodybuilder or any human being for that matter needs 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of lean mass.

The formula I've used is to keep it at 1 gram of protein per Kilogram.  For me, that adds up to roughly 90-100 grams of protein per day (tops).  If I fall below that range, it makes no difference.

Obviously, if you use quality GH and various anabolics, it becomes too easy.  If you're natural, you have to watch your caloric intake (aiming for a caloric deficit) in order to properly lose weight.

That simple...

"1"

[The True Adonis]

How much protein do you typically consume in this meal, TA?

It depends on what we cook.  Last night we made Nashville Fried Chicken, Cat Head Biscuits and Raspberry Almond Cheesecake Bars and All American Potato Salad.  Fried Chicken has a lot of Protein so it was pretty high.

Some days are lower, for instance last week we were planting Ligustrum Japonicums for a formal hedge out front and raking leaves, it was getting really late so we did not have time to cook so I went to Hardee`s and got 2 Double Cheeseburgers, 1 1/4 Thick Burger, Apple Turnover, Small Fries which is around 80 grams of protein at about 2100 calories.  Not bad at all.  I also had a Asparagus and Peas with 4 whole eggs.  I ate all of that at one time so it was a little over 100 grams of protein probably. 100-120 I`d estimate.  I never count or keep track of it.

[The True Adonis]

I don't think it's wrong.  I personally know individuals who have owned, are currently capable of owning now, but prefer to rent.  They seem to be perfectly happy and well off.

Its still money down the toilet regardless.  You don`t get any equity and no prospect of ownership.  Essentially you are just paying to use someones elses property with no benefit to reap in the end.  From an economic standpoint it does not make much sense.  I could see it as a viable option if your job is one where you travel frequently or temporary in a temporary location.  Or if you need some time to get your finances in order it may make a bit of sense, but for the long term its just money down someone elses toilet. 

[Tito24]

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