Drew Brees is going to the HOF

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Outliers. Do you know what that means?

Yes I understand outliers.  That's not what you said.  You said it's not debatable, which means there are no outliers. 

And even your outliers position isn't consistent with what we actually see on the field.  This isn't a situation where a smurf like Doug Flutie had some success in the NFL.  We're talking about an "outlier" in Brees who is literally in the GOAT conversation.  And Joe Montana who is the GOAT.  And numerous others who don't fit the traditional mold, but are really successful, while others who fit the traditional mold fail.   

Kyler Murray and Bryce Young are both 5'10".  (I think Murray is 5'10" with his shoes on.)  There are a lot of others who are in that range who are just terrific football players.  I watched two of them live in the Hawaii bowl in December.  Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele is 6'3".  Really good young QB.  Plays for Cal.  Micah Alejado is 5'10" and plays for UH.  Alejado is a better QB IMO.  But because Sagapolutele has the "measurables," he will be a much higher NFL prospect than Alejado. 

I can't tell you how many times the metrics have been wrong.  Same with NFL combine numbers.  What matters more than anything is game day.  Like I said, the film doesn't lie.

[Humble Narcissist]

Yes I understand outliers.  That's not what you said.  You said it's not debatable, which means there are no outliers. 

And even your outliers position isn't consistent with what we actually see on the field.  This isn't a situation where a smurf like Doug Flutie had some success in the NFL.  We're talking about an "outlier" in Brees who is literally in the GOAT conversation.  And Joe Montana who is the GOAT.  And numerous others who don't fit the traditional mold, but are really successful, while others who fit the traditional mold fail.   

Kyler Murray and Bryce Young are both 5'10".  (I think Murray is 5'10" with his shoes on.)  There are a lot of others who are in that range who are just terrific football players.  I watched two of them live in the Hawaii bowl in December.  Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele is 6'3".  Really good young QB.  Plays for Cal.  Micah Alejado is 5'10" and plays for UH.  Alejado is a better QB IMO.  But because Sagapolutele has the "measurables," he will be a much higher NFL prospect than Alejado. 

I can't tell you how many times the metrics have been wrong.  Same with NFL combine numbers.  What matters more than anything is game day.  Like I said, the film doesn't lie.

For every undersized QB who makes it there are a dozen who don't regardless of how good they were in college.

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For every undersized QB who makes it there are a dozen who don't regardless of how good they were in college.

And for every prototypical QB who makes it there are a dozen or more who don't.  I know we're not going to agree, but I don't think metrics (or combine numbers) determine whether or not a QB can play.  Trevor Lawrence was called a generational talent in large part because of his measureables.  I've watched him play and never saw "generational" talent.  Just a really tall guy who is good (not great) at playing QB.  Much different story when I watched Brees throw darts all over the field.     

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UH does a countdown as we approach football season highlighting former players based on their jersey number.  Yesterday was Nate Jackson (No. 12) days till kickoff.  I've been a season ticket holder for a very long time, so I see all these kids play live.  Nate Jackson was tiny.  But he is literally one of the hardest hitters I've ever seen at the collegiate level.  Here is what they posted about him yesterday:

Nate Jackson days till kickoff...
The hard-hitting safety from Waianae High was a fan favorite and is considered as one of the best to play that position. Standing at only 5-10 and 168 pounds, Jackson went on to become a two-time AIl-WAC honoree and was named the team’s Co-Most Inspirational Player as a junior in 2000. During his senior year, he compiled 114 tackles and finished his career (1998-2001) with 316, tied for 6th most in program history.

That said, I want to agree in part with what you (Humble Narcissist) have been saying.  I don't think measurables are irrelevant.  They are just not determinative.  I'll use Ashley Lelie as an example.  Former UH WR.  One of the most dominant WRs I've ever seen at the collegiate level.  He was 6'3" 200 pounds and ran a 4.3 40.  But it showed up on field.  When you combine skill with those kind of metrics it definitely provides a predicter for success.