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The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« on: December 19, 2011, 01:21:01 PM »
‘When the Legend Becomes Fact, Print the Legend’
December 16, 2011 - 12:17 pm - by Victor Davis Hanson      Obama Mythologos


http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/when-the-legend-becomes-fact-print-the-legend/?singlepage=true





Barack Obama is a myth, our modern version of Pecos Bill or Paul Bunyan. What we were told is true, never had much basis in fact — a fact now increasingly clear as hype gives way to reality.

“Brilliant”

Presidential historian Michael Beschloss, on no evidence, once proclaimed Obama “probably the smartest guy ever to become president.” When he thus summed up liberal consensus, was he perhaps referring to academic achievement? Soaring SAT scores? Seminal publications? IQ scores known only to a small Ivy League cloister? Political wizardry?

Who was this Churchillian president so much smarter than the Renaissance man Thomas Jefferson, more astute than a John Adams or James Madison, with more insight than a Lincoln, brighter still than the polymath Teddy Roosevelt, more studious than the bookish Woodrow Wilson, better read than the autodidact Harry Truman?

Consider. Did Obama achieve a B+ average at Columbia? Who knows? (Who will ever know?) But even today’s inflated version of yesteryear’s gentleman Cs would not normally warrant admission to Harvard Law. And once there, did the Law Review editor publish at least one seminal article? Why not?

I ask not because I particularly care about the GPAs or certificates of the president, but only because I am searching for a shred of evidence to substantiate this image of singular intellectual power and known erudition. For now, I don’t see any difference between Bush’s Yale/Harvard MBA record and Obama’s Columbia/Harvard Law record — except Bush, in self-deprecation, laughed at his quite public C+/B- accomplishments that he implied were in line with his occasional gaffes, while Obama has quarantined his transcripts and relied on the media to assert that his own versions of “nucular” moments were not moments of embarrassment at all.

At Chicago, did lecturer Obama write a path-breaking legal article or a book on jurisprudence that warranted the rare tenure offer to a part-time lecturer? (Has that offer ever been extended to others of like stature?) In the Illinois legislature or U.S. Senate, was Obama known as a deeply learned man of the Patrick Moynihan variety? Whether as an undergraduate, law student, lawyer, professor, legislator or senator, Obama was given numerous opportunities to reveal his intellectual weight. Did he ever really? On what basis did Harvard Law Dean Elena Kagan regret that Obama could not be lured to a top billet at Harvard?

That his brilliance is a myth was not just revealed by the weekly lapses (whether phonetic [corpse-man], or cultural [Austria/Germany, the United Kingdom/England, Memorial Day/Veterans Day] or inane [57 states]), but in matters of common sense and basic history. The error-ridden Cairo speech was foolish; the serial appeasement of Iran revealed an ignorance of human nature; a two-minute glance at an etiquette book would have nixed the bowing or the cheap gifts to the UK.

In short, the myth of Obama’s brilliance was based on his teleprompted eloquence, the sort of fable that says we should listen to a clueless Sean Penn or Matt Damon on politics because they can sometimes act well. Read Plato’s Ion on the difference between gifted rhapsody and wisdom — and Socrates’ warning about easily conflating the two. It need not have been so. At any point in a long career, Obama the rhapsode could have shunned the easy way, stuck his head in a book, and earned rather than charmed those (for whom he had contempt) for his rewards. Clinton was a browser with a near photographic memory who had pretensions of deeply-read wonkery; but he nonetheless browsed. Obama seems never to have done that. He liked the vague idea of Obamacare, outsourced the details to the Democratic Congress, applied his Chicago protocols to getting it passed, and worried little what was actually in the bill. We were to think that the obsessions with the NBA, the NCAA final four, the golfing tics, etc., were all respites from exhausting labors of the mind rather than in fact the presidency respites from all the former.

“Healer”

Take away all the”‘no more red state/no more blue state,” “this is our moment” mish-mash and what is left to us? “Reaching across the aisle” sounded bipartisan, but it came from the most consistently partisan member of the U.S. Senate. Most of the 2008 campaign was a frantic effort on the part of the media to explain away Bill Ayers, ACORN, the SEIU, Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, the clingers speech, “get in their face,” and the revealing put downs of Hillary Clinton. But those were windows into a soul that soon opened even wider — with everything from limb-lopping doctors and polluting Republicans to stupidly acting police and “punish our enemies” nativists. The Special Olympics “joke,” the pig reference to Sarah Palin, the middle finger nose rub to Hillary — all that was a scratch of the thin shiny veneer into the hard plywood beneath.

The binding up our wounds myth had no basis in reality, but was constructed on the notion (to channel the racially condescending Harry Reid and Joe Biden) that a charismatic and young postracial rhetorician seemed so non-threatening. The logic was that Obama took a train from Springfield to DC; so did Lincoln; presto, both were like healers. The truth? The Obamites — Jarrett, Axelrod, Emanuel, etc. — were hard-core partisan dividers, who had a history of demonizing enemies, suing to eliminate opponents, and leaking divorce records, in addition to the usual Chicago campaign protocols.

If one were to collate the Obama record on race (from Eric Holder’s “my people” and “cowards” to Sotomayor’s “wise Latina” and Van Jones’s racist rants), it is the most polarizing in a generation. The Obama way is and always was to create horrific straw men: opponents of health care reform are greedy doctors who want to rip out your tonsils; opponents of tax increases jet off to Vegas to blow their children’s tuition money; skeptics of Solyndra-like disasters want to dirty the air; those against open borders wish to put alligators and moats in the Rio Grande as they round up children at ice cream parlors. There were ways of opposing Republicans without the demonization, but the demonization was useful when followed by the soaring, one-eyed Jack rhetoric about reaching out, working together, and avoiding the old politics of acrimony.

“Reformer”

The notion that there was anything in Obama’s past or present temperament to suggest a political reformer was mythological to the core. Almost all his prior elections relied on a paradigm of attacking his opponents rather than defending his own record, from the races for the legislature to the U.S. Senate. He shook down Wall Street as no one had before or since — and well after the September 2008 meltdown. He was the logical expression of the Chicago/Illinois system of Tony Rezko, Blago, and the Daleys, not its aberration — from the mundane of expanding his yard to melting down opponents by leaking sealed divorce records.

The more Obama badmouthed BP and Goldman Sachs, the more we knew he received record amounts of cash from both (were the bad “millionaires and billionaires” snickering that this was just part of the game?). He renounced liberal public financing of campaigns of over three decades duration, as only a liberal reformer might, and got away with it. Obama raised far more money than any candidate in history, and will go back to the same trough this time around. On a Monday the president will vilify Wall Street, on Tuesday host a $40,000-a-head dinner for those who apparently did not get his earlier message that at some point they had already made enough money and this was now surely not the time to profit — or did they get it all too well? Wait, you say, “They all do this!” Well, perhaps most at any rate; but most also spare us the messianic rhetoric and so do not win the additional charge of hypocrisy. Reforming the system is hard; reforming the reformers of the system impossible.

So when Obama speaks loudly about Wall Street criminality, we now snooze — only to awaken knowing Corzine’s missing $1 billion, or George Soros’s felony conviction in France, or Jeffrey Immelt’s no-tax gymnastics were not just never raised, but are exempted through the purchase of liberal penance, in the manner that John Kerry never really docked his gargantuan yacht in a less taxed state, or Timothy Geithner never really pocketed his FICA allowances.

As far as the vaunted promises to end the revolving door, lobbyists, and earmarks and usher in a new transparency, well, blah, blah, blah. Obama did not merely violate his proposed reforms, but excelled in the old politics as few others had. The career of a Peter Orszag or the crony machinations of the Solyndra executives attest well enough.

As far as medical transparency, I care only that my president seems healthy enough to get up in the morning for his grueling ordeal and can be spared the how part; but I do recognize that we have a history of disguising maladies (cf. Wilson’s incapacity, FDR’s last year, or JFK’s numerous prescription drugs), and that, in recent times at least, we have demanded a new transparency. Was that why the media harped on McCain’s melanoma, his age, and his injuries? So I thought we would get the now mandatory 24-look at 500 pages of thirty years of Obama’s doctors visits, medications, vital signs, diseases, all the treatments that the watchdog media goes ape over — whether Tom Eagleton’s shock treatments or Mike Dukakis’s use of Advil or the Bush thyroid problem.

Instead, we got a tiny paragraph from Obama’s doctor assuring us that he’s healthy, and this from the most “transparent” president in history, in an age when the press is frenzied over a presidential Ambien prescription. To this day, I have no idea whether our president smokes, or ever did, or for how long and how much, or if he ever took a prescription drug, or if his blood pressure is perfect or under treatment. Again, I care only that he gets up in the morning — and that the de facto rules of disclosure that have applied to others apply to him.

We will never know much about Fast and Furious, and even less about Greengate. Obama — and this was clever rather than brilliant — gauged rightly that not only would liberals’ hysteria about ethics cease when he brought them to power, but in a strange way they would grin that one of their own had out-hustled the supposed right-wing hustlers. Or was it a sort of paleo-Marxist idea of using the corrupt system to end the supposedly corrupt system? Those who vacation at Vail, Martha’s Vineyard, or Costa del Sol are supposedly insidiously undermining the system that allows only the millionaire and billionaire few to do so?

“Magnanimous”

This was the strangest chapter of the myth, the idea that Obama the Olympian was above the fray. He lobbied the Germans for an address at the Brandenburg Gate, settled for the Prussian Victory Column, and, as thanks, then skipped out as president on the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall — but managed to jet to Copenhagen to lobby for the Chicago Olympics.

There was never a peep that Obama’s present anti-terrorism protocols — Guantanamo, renditions, tribunals, Predators, the Patriot Act, preventative detention — came from George Bush. Much less did we hear that had Bush for a nanosecond ever listened to the demagoguery of then state legislator and later senator Obama, none of these tools would presently exist. How did what was superfluous, unconstitutional, and possibly illegal in 2008 become vital in 2011?

Ditto the Iraq War. We went in a blink from the surge that failed and made things worse and all troops must be out by March 2008 to Iraq was a shining example of American idealism and commitment. It was as if the touch-and-go, life-and-death gamble between February 2007 and January 2009 in Iraq never had existed. Bombing Libya was not warlike, and those who sued Bush on Iraq and Guantanamo now filed briefs to prove that we were not at war killing Libyan thugs. We hear only of reset; never that Obama has now simply abandoned all his “Bush-did-it” policies and is quietly going back to the Bush consensus on Russia, Iran, Syria, and the Middle East in general. We will not only never see Guantanamo closed or KSM tried in a civilian court, but never hear why not. Are we to applaud the hypocrisy as at least better than continued ignorance?

On the domestic front, we are forever frozen on September 15, 2008. There is never an Obama sentence that the Freddie/Fannie machinations (both agencies were routinely plundered for bonuses by ex-Clinton flunkies) gave a green light to Wall Street greed — much less that both empowered public recklessness either to flip houses or to buy a house without credit worthiness or any history of thrift. Did we ever hear that between the meltdown and the inauguration, there were four months of frantic stabilization that, by the time of Obama’s ascendancy, had ensured that the panic had largely passed? Instead, blowing $5 trillion in three years is to be forever the response to the ongoing and now multiyear Bush crash, all to justify a “never waste a crisis” reordering of society.

I could go on, but we know only that we know very little about Barack Obama, and what we do know is quite different from what is alleged. All presidents have mythographies, but they also have a record and auditors that can collate facts with fiction. In Obama’s case, we were never given all the facts and there were few in the press interested in finding them.

To quote Maxwell Scott in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, “When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.”


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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 01:24:00 PM »
Actually i think he's a fairly smart guy.  Maybe even brilliant. 

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 01:26:26 PM »
Actually i think he's a fairly smart guy.  Maybe even brilliant. 


LMFAO!!!!!   based on what?   based on fucking what?  To fool idiots like yourself into voting for him based on nothing at all?   sure - i will concede that.       




So when Obama speaks loudly about Wall Street criminality, we now snooze — only to awaken knowing Corzine’s missing $1 billion, or George Soros’s felony conviction in France, or Jeffrey Immelt’s no-tax gymnastics were not just never raised, but are exempted through the purchase of liberal penance, in the manner that John Kerry never really docked his gargantuan yacht in a less taxed state, or Timothy Geithner never really pocketed his FICA allowances

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 01:26:57 PM »
Actually i think he's a fairly smart guy.  Maybe even brilliant.  

people have a hard time separating intelligence from political belief.  Its possible for a very smart person to be misguided.

Christopher Hitchens was VERY smart - but many religious people call him stupid.
Rachel Maddow is a phD and very smart - but many repubs call her stupid.
Bush2 was a very smart man.  Cheney too.  Poeple disagreed with their political beliefs.

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 01:31:39 PM »
people have a hard time separating intelligence from political belief.  Its possible for a very smart person to be misguided.

Christopher Hitchens was VERY smart - but many religious people call him stupid.
Rachel Maddow is a phD and very smart - but many repubs call her stupid.
Bush2 was a very smart man.  Cheney too.  Poeple disagreed with their political beliefs.

Do you consider someone "brilliant" who blames ATM Machines for job losses when it has been definately proven that that idea and concept is utter bullshit and has been bullshit since the invention of the wheel?     

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 01:38:10 PM »
That's great commentary.  I think Obama's intelligence has been vastly overstated.  I can't recall someone being so overrated in my lifetime.  I mean, the guy got a Nobel Peace Prize based on potential.   :-[

What's scary is this kind of article is the sort of vetting that should have happened before Obama was elected.  We have to fix this mistake in 2012. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 01:39:25 PM »
That's great commentary.  I think Obama's intelligence has been vastly overstated.  I can't recall someone being so overrated in my lifetime.  I mean, the guy got a Nobel Peace Prize based on potential.   :-[

What's scary is this kind of article is the sort of vetting that should have happened before Obama was elected.  We have to fix this mistake in 2012. 

People like Ozmo are still madly in love with the false narrative of Thugbama being some great tower of intellect and competency.   

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 01:46:34 PM »
Do you consider someone "brilliant" who blames ATM Machines for job losses when it has been definately proven that that idea and concept is utter bullshit and has been bullshit since the invention of the wheel?     

I feel very brilliant people - once they achieve power over 300 mil people - will dumb shit down in order to win their continued support.

Bush knew a great deal about higher level economics, but told people to "go shopping!" after 911.  He could have lectured them on how their contribution to GDP would give the US strategic advantages and better position for borrowing to fund a series of global operations designed for longterm US viability and sustainability on the world stage.

But he just told them to 'go shopping".

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 01:49:01 PM »

LMFAO!!!!!   based on what?   based on fucking what?  To fool idiots like yourself into voting for him based on nothing at all?   sure - i will concede that.       

So when Obama speaks loudly about Wall Street criminality, we now snooze — only to awaken knowing Corzine’s missing $1 billion, or George Soros’s felony conviction in France, or Jeffrey Immelt’s no-tax gymnastics were not just never raised, but are exempted through the purchase of liberal penance, in the manner that John Kerry never really docked his gargantuan yacht in a less taxed state, or Timothy Geithner never really pocketed his FICA allowances

No, i really do think he's smart.  Overrated?  probably as BB contends.  But he is very smart.

240 nailed it best when he suggested you are confusing your political beliefs with intelligence which makes you.....kind of dumb there. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 01:54:48 PM »
No, i really do think he's smart.  Overrated?  probably as BB contends.  But he is very smart.

240 nailed it best when he suggested you are confusing your political beliefs with intelligence which makes you.....kind of dumb there. 

LOL - AGAIN - BASED ON WHAT?   

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 01:58:37 PM »
November 29, 2011
Obama, the Dream
By William L. Gensert





Barack Obama is a dream.  In 2008, the dream was hope and change.  In 2012, it will be progress, thwarted by evil partisans and selfish greed.  As Gertrude Stein said, "there is no there there."  He needs enemies to draw attention from his lack of depth, for he is truly a mile wide and an inch deep.  He is an illusion -- always appearing to be more than he is, always, more promise than reality.  He is, and always has been, the sum projection of what others want him to be.  Barack Obama doesn't exist, except in the hearts and minds of minions and sycophants.


Many ignore the truth, disregarding Mr. Obama's abject failure as president.  Those of us with our eyes open, though, see right through the man.  A transparent presidency is the one promise he kept, for he is the original evaporated man.  Though he seemed so substantial at first, with the passage of time, it is obvious how much less there is to him.  What we saw in the beginning was simply a projection of our own hopes and dreams.  We saw what we wanted to see.


Now, when he looks into our eyes, he sees what he wants to see: his own reflection, the illusion of a great man.  He needs this fantasy to define himself.  After all, who is he, if not Lincoln, or JFK, or FDR, or Reagan?  He has to be someone else; he can't be himself, because there really is no Barack Obama.


Barack Obama may be a dream, but that dream is a nightmare: class warfare sold as transcendent leadership; crony capitalism sold as green energy; forced unionization sold as a means to save the worker; control of health care to ensure his vision of what care we must have, even if that's less than what we need.  Who lives and who dies, who should prosper and who should not -- all decided by our betters, all a part of his greatness, his vision, his grand plan.


And Obama's grand plan is a redefinition of not only America, but of all things.  He redefined the very meaning of leadership by leading from behind.  Rising unemployment is now jobs "saved or created."  Warfare is an "overseas contingency operation" and the ability to attack and retreat at the same time.  Obama has redefined political oratory with the aggressive use of "I," "me," and "my."  Terrorism is now "man-caused disasters," while diplomacy is apologizing and bowing to world leaders for the sins of those lesser men who came before.  A trillion dollars has become an affordable sum.  Bipartisanship is giving the opposition the opportunity to do as they are told, and dignified debate is the demonization of anyone who disagrees.  Fair play is victory by any means.  Truth is whatever Obama says it is.  Rules are whatever he says they are.  Merit is deserving awards for what he might do.  Humility is saying:


I think I'm a better speech writer than my speech writers, I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors.  And I'll tell you right now that I'm ... a better political director than my political director.  I'm LeBron, baby.  I can play at this level.  I got game.


And in describing the sagacity of his nomination for the Presidency:


I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal[.]


Obama believes himself a good man.  Yet, with no depth or breadth, he is victim to the ideology he has been steeped in his entire life, a captive of his conviction that he is on the side of what is right and just.  The benevolent hand of Barack Obama has wrought more havoc upon the freedom of our nation than any enemy ever could, for while evil can wreak untold damage, it takes the truly self-righteous to destroy a nation.


Edmund Burke said that "all that is necessary for evil to triumph, is that good men to do nothing."  Yet it is also true that the greatest evil has, just as often as not, been perpetrated by good men seeking to do something.


Only a man not really there could spend a trillion dollars on failed stimulus, resulting in the loss of millions of jobs, and claim success for having saved us from depression caused by the depredations of the greedy 1%, who refuse to pay their fair share, defined as some figure in excess of the 40% of all taxes they already pay.


The politics of Barack Obama, sold as hope and change, was never more than bitterness and envy, fomented in the citizenry to disguise his pandering to crony capitalists, political backers, and rabid environmentalists.  All concealed from the public by a compliant legacy media.  His reelection campaign needs their money.  How else can finish the transformation of an unappreciative America?


The nowhere man had no problem handing Libya to al-Qaeda, Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood, and Iraq to Iran, while doing nothing to prevent Iran from helping Syria kill thousands of its own people.  None of that is important.  Iran's quest for a nuclear weapon, a dismal economy, and high unemployment don't worry Obama; it's all George Bush's fault -- now off to Hawaii, Bali, and Australia.


Obama is a faux intellectual, using arrogance and attitude to convey authority.  Reading fluidly from his teleprompter, he condescends in mellifluous tones to convey intellectual superiority.  He loves giving speeches, pausing frequently for applause, for he is nothing when not basking in the adulation of the masses.  He is defined only by what is said and written about him.  That is why he can't stand dissent and will go to any lengths to crush it.


There are no policies, just generalizations.  The failed Stimulus Act was written by others and used to reward those who did the most to elect Obama.  Obamacare legislation, also written by others, is exceedingly unpopular, has cost jobs, and is predicted to hamstring the economy well into the future, while restricting health care and costing trillions of dollars.  So what?  The winners write history, and as Obama told Republicans, he won.


Idealess, Obama's latest proposal, the American Jobs Act, is the same as the original stimulus, just half as large.  But this one is designed to fail legislatively, so the president can run against a do-nothing Congress.


Obama doesn't recognize the economic disaster he has created.  He believes what he has always been told: that he is a huge success, his only mistake not communicating his greatness to the little people.  Because in reality, Americans have become too soft and too lazy to put in the time and effort necessary to understand how lucky we are to have Barack Obama, perhaps the greatest man to have ever lived.  If you don't believe me, just ask him.  He'll tell you.


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BINGO   Wake up you morons who votyed for this fraud.   

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 02:11:15 PM »
LOL - AGAIN - BASED ON WHAT?   

You need to look at it objectively for a moment.  Start at about 1995 and end with today.

Factor in your crazy birther beliefs too. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2011, 02:16:07 PM »
I dont think a guy with an 80 IQ could con his way into law school, white house, etc using a fake birth cert. 

he's smart.   eieil and misguided, why not.  But smart, yes.

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2011, 02:19:10 PM »
people have a hard time separating intelligence from political belief.  Its possible for a very smart person to be misguided.

Christopher Hitchens was VERY smart - but many religious people call him stupid.
Rachel Maddow is a phD and very smart - but many repubs call her stupid.
Bush2 was a very smart man.  Cheney too.  Poeple disagreed with their political beliefs.

Maddow is also a Rhodes Scholar

compare that with Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh both of whom basically flunked out of college (at least Rush's mother said he flunked out, I think Beck took a couple fo classes and then quit).  Beck and Rush are both former drug addicts too.    

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2011, 02:19:35 PM »
I dont think a guy with an 80 IQ could con his way into law school, white house, etc using a fake birth cert. 

he's smart.   eieil and misguided, why not.  But smart, yes.


No 240, OB is a dumb ass because the birther said so.

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2011, 02:21:50 PM »
Maddow is also a Rhodes Scholar

compare that with Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh both of whom basically flunked out of college (at least Rush's mother said he flunked out, I think Beck took a couple fo classes and then quit).  Beck and Rush are both former drug addicts too.    

LOL - and obama is Nobel Peace Prize Winner - Fucking Fail!


You leftists are a joke.    Obama has not so much as handled a speeding ticket in traffic court and  you delusional libs are ready to confer on him "brilliant" status. 


you leftists really have a messiah complex like no other.   

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2011, 02:23:10 PM »
Seriously,  he's very smart. 

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2011, 02:23:15 PM »
You need to look at it objectively for a moment.  Start at about 1995 and end with today.

Factor in your crazy birther beliefs too. 

and objectively speaking - obamabots like yourself should be able to rattle off a list of items that would normally confer on someone the label of being "brilliant"  

go ahead champ - we have only been waiting for the three years now.    

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2011, 02:24:46 PM »
LOL - and obama is Nobel Peace Prize Winner - Fucking Fail!


You leftists are a joke.    Obama has not so much as handled a speeding ticket in traffic court and  you delusional libs are ready to confer on him "brilliant" status. 


you leftists really have a messiah complex like no other.   

jesus  dude - it's like one long perpetual meltdown with you

wtf ?

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2011, 02:29:21 PM »
Seriously,  he's very smart. 

I guess it takes a smart person with no resume, no history, no accomplishments, is economically illiterate, historically challenged, and cant string a sentence together without the aid of a teleprompter, to convince so many moronos to vote for him.


I'll give him that.   Even Houdini would be amazed at the deception. 

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2011, 02:33:29 PM »
and objectively speaking - obamabots like yourself should be able to rattle off a list of items that would normally confer on someone the label of being "brilliant"  

go ahead champ - we have only been waiting for the three years now.    

I don't need to rattle a list off, you already know what they are. 

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2011, 02:33:57 PM »
Obama is a very smart guy. 

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2011, 02:35:08 PM »
I don't need to rattle a list off, you already know what they are. 

I'm sorry - Obama lost me at blaming ATM machines for job losses.   

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 02:36:48 PM »
I'm sorry - Obama lost me at blaming ATM machines for job losses.   

Obama lost you when your brain broke and you decided he was a secret muslim communist sleeper cell intent on collapsing the nation

you truly have no idea how utter ridiculous you sound when you make those kind of arguments

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Re: The myth of Obama being "Brilliant" crashes with reality.
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2011, 02:38:17 PM »
33, it's possible to admit someone is intelligent without agreeing with their philosphy.

33, do you believe Hitler was intelligent?