Nasser Dwarfs Kevin!!..

[bigbobs]

Shawn Ray said in I think 99 or 2000 (regarding himself, Nasser, Kevin, and Flex) that we've all taken turns beating each other in different shows and no one has a clear advantage over the other.

The reason I say certain statistics can be misleading is because some pros decide to retire as soon as they aren't in their best shape, or are forced to retire due to an injury before their physique starts to decline, whereas some continue to compete year after year regardless...now if you use their full career's statistics ignoring qualitiative considerations such as the examples I just described it can lead to misleading arguments.

[BILL ANVIL]

Kevin placed high even when he was off because he was the beloved happy go lucky guy and Nasser got shit on with his placings for his truthful prick of a personality. Nasser got screwed/disciplined frequently for speaking out

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Ray said in I think 99 or 2000 (regarding himself, Nasser, Kevin, and Flex) that we've all taken turns beating each other in different shows and no one has a clear advantage over the other.

The reason I say certain statistics can be misleading is because some pros decide to retire as soon as they aren't in their best shape, or are forced to retire due to an injury before their physique starts to decline, whereas some continue to compete year after year regardless...now if you use their full career's statistics ignoring qualitiative considerations such as the examples I just described it can lead to misleading arguments.

Again what ' certain statistics ' Kevin was clearly better than Nasser over their respective careers

[bigbobs]

Kevin placed high even when he was off because he was the beloved happy go lucky guy and Nasser got shit on with his placings for his truthful prick of a personality. Nasser got screwed/disciplined frequently for speaking out

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[Palpatine Q]

Again what ' certain statistics ' Kevin was clearly better than Nasser over their respective careers

LOL...I know, he keeps saying that...as if there isn't a WALL of stats that show Levrone was better, no matter how you break them down 

[NarcissisticDeity]

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You know that not to be true because Nasser was NOT outspoken back when he was doing well , Nasser was a HUGE fan favorite one of the most popular bodybuilders of the 90s and he always had the image of being a nice guy ( which was a front )

Nasser never did as good as Kevin in contests because he simply wasn't as good as Kevin , Shawn Ray bitched & moaned and complained up & down and side-to-side and still placed well in contests , that excuse that he ( Nasser ) didn't place is lame and wrong

[bigbobs]

You know that not to be true because Nasser was NOT outspoken back when he was doing well , Nasser was a HUGE fan favorite one of the most popular bodybuilders of the 90s and he always had the image of being a nice guy ( which was a front )

Nasser never did as good as Kevin in contests because he simply wasn't as good as Kevin , Shawn Ray bitched & moaned and complained up & down and side-to-side and still placed well in contests , that excuse that he ( Nasser ) didn't place is lame and wrong

Nasser was and still is always good with fans, yet when competing he was always outspoken against certain other pros, judges, and industry officials, wasn't always published in Flex mag (some times it was though, like his opinions on Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Dennis Newman, Chris Cormier, etc.)  Now with the internet the only difference is he's shared his same outspokenness in public.

[bigbobs]

Again what ' certain statistics ' Kevin was clearly better than Nasser over their respective careers

"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL...I know, he keeps saying that...as if there isn't a WALL of stats that show Levrone was better, no matter how you break them down 

He wont address what these ' certain statistics ' are  when in fact Kevin just beats him just about everywhere

They think way to highly of him and when the facts contradict their claims then the facts must be thrown out.

[Palpatine Q]

You know that not to be true because Nasser was NOT outspoken back when he was doing well , Nasser was a HUGE fan favorite one of the most popular bodybuilders of the 90s and he always had the image of being a nice guy ( which was a front )

Nasser never did as good as Kevin in contests because he simply wasn't as good as Kevin , Shawn Ray bitched & moaned and complained up & down and side-to-side and still placed well in contests , that excuse that he ( Nasser ) didn't place is lame and wrong

Yup...these guys have short memories.....Nasser was very popular when he was competing...he became the bitter shit talker after his prime was well behind him.  he used to get huge ovations from the fans

[arce1988]

 does nasser really need to be on thyroid meds for the rest of his life?

[Palpatine Q]

"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.

 a career is a career...Just because Nasser only had a brief time as a real threat, and kevin was a real threat for 15 years straight, doesn't mean you only count the time when Nasser was at his peak...thats ridicuolus

[NarcissisticDeity]

"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.

This is Kevin's fault Nasser only did good for a couple of years? if magically Kevin and Nasser showed up their career bests , Kevin would beat him

Lets factor in Kevin was hit-or-miss as well and didn't take his career as seriously as Dorian , and if he did he would have crushed Nasser even more , Kevin used to not train for 8 months as a clip and then go like a lunatic for 4 months and destroy guys like Nasser , we can factor in a lot of hypothetical's but we have facts and they don't favor Nasser 

[bigbobs]

if magically Kevin and Nasser showed up their career bests , Kevin would beat him

that's where we disagree and is an opinion-based statement so won't convince each other either.  I dont think any version of Kevin would beat Nasser here:

[arce1988]

 both have those shgh bumps all over their stomachs

[NarcissisticDeity]

that's where we disagree and is an opinion-based statement so won't convince each other either.  I dont think any version of Kevin would beat Nasser here:

In the ab-thigh I agree with you ( few could beat Nasser in this pose ) , side triceps is another story.

[BILL ANVIL]

Nasser blowing Kev away in those shots 

[Kulutues]

Nasser is heavily shopped in the pic in OP, he was never close to that big

[the_swami]

what ppl are forgetting here are the corrupt and cheating IFBB judges and how Kevin was a huge brown noser to the East Coast NPC clique and a favorite of the controller Manion.
this is the reason why Kevin had better stats on paper.

if the IFBB judging was unbiased and neutral ,Nasser would have the better stats.

dont forget they demoted Lee priest to 6th and promoted kevin to 4th in the 97 O when Kevin had his tantrum/cry/meltdown when he found out the results bacstage that Lee had placed 4th adn Kevin had placed 6th

[Shockwave]

"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.

Holy fucking shit Ive never seen such blatant dick sucking.
Of course if you set the criteria on stats the right way, you could make anyone anything you want.

You cant just define the criteria to suit your argument when discussing a career - thats fucking retarded. Thats how a child debates.

Wah, Wah, Im only going to count these 2 years cause thats when Nasser was on his peak, and clearly since Nasser beat Kevin in 96 and 97 @ the O, that means hes better! Doesnt matter that Kevin kicked his ass on dozens of other occaisons, those dont count.
 

[njflex]

if pro wins is the main criteria to a successful pro career then taylor,wheeler,kev,are the top.say's they had the best competitive body on stage during that time period.taking the mr o' s yates and coleman out of the picture.

[Palpatine Q]

"Certain statistics" = including contests before and after Nasser's best years as though they are weighed equally.

LOL...they are weighed equally...this isn't the world according to team Nasser. The only contests that matter are the ones where he was at his best ? He competed for a long time. he showed up at the same contests as Levrone. trying to WIN...because he wasn't the best man that day means they don't count ??

 

[Shockwave]

LOL...they are weighed equally...this isn't the world according to team Nasser. The only contests that matter are the ones where he was at his best ? He competed for a long time. he showed up at the same contests as Levrone. trying to WIN...because he wasn't the best man that day means they don't count ??

 

World according to Nasser...
Check out this gem in the 96 O pics thread on why Nasser wasnt "really" dq'd.

Your post is so off base I'm not sure where to start.  If diuretics were the reason why Nasser looked better at the 96 Olympia, how then do you explain the 6 following GP shows where he beat everyone (except for the ones which Dorian competed in) - for the next few weeks after the O did he continue using diuretics whereas nobody else did and that gave him an advantage?    Truth is there was no diuretic test at the 96 Olympia, the competitors were informed there may be one and some used them some didn't.  Nasser mentioned in confidence to Mike Matarazzo that he used diuretics, who passed on the info to Manion and that's what got Nasser DQ'ed.  Also if Dorian really lost so much size in 96 in order to come in conditioned without diuretics why did his bodyweight not drop from his 95 showing?  And by 97 he had gained lbs and weighed 270.  By 96 Dorian's tears were becoming obvious yet he still won as he had the momentum of being the reigning Mr. O to his advantage + due to being a personal favourite among judges and IFBB officials.
 
 
 

[biff]

what ppl are forgetting here are the corrupt and cheating IFBB judges and how Kevin was a huge brown noser to the East Coast NPC clique and a favorite of the controller Manion.
this is the reason why Kevin had better stats on paper.

if the IFBB judging was unbiased and neutral ,Nasser would have the better stats.

dont forget they demoted Lee priest to 6th and promoted kevin to 4th in the 97 O when Kevin had his tantrum/cry/meltdown when he found out the results bacstage that Lee had placed 4th adn Kevin had placed 6th

this is where the super ego comes into play.  it cant possibly be nasser was beaten, that he wasnt better..it had to be a conspiracy. just like the piss drinking whackjob mike mentzer, convinced he was 'correct' in his superior training method, convinced there can be only one truth, one 'correct way' to do it... he loses and it has to be conspiracy.

the maniac harrison on the steelers is in the same boat. keeps saying he doesnt need to change, he hasnt done a thing against the rules etc....well for betetr or worse there are rules agianst what he does...he's not being picked on as he says.

[arce1988]

  nasser e. and mike m.