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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #125 on: January 17, 2012, 11:14:15 AM »
Pistol-Packing By the Millions...


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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #126 on: January 17, 2012, 02:16:25 PM »
Justifiable homicides rise in Palm Beach County
palmbeachpost.com ^ | 16 January, 2012 | Julius Whigham II




As a West Palm Beach home­owner confronted two intruders in March, the encounter turned deadly. One intruder was shot and killed.

Weeks later, two men were fatally shot in a dispute aboard a boat near Phil Foster Park in Riviera Beach. Initially charged with murder, the boat's owner, 65-year-old Michael Monahan, was later set free after a judge cited the state's controversial "Stand Your Ground" statute.

And in July, 19-year-old James Fritz was killed after he allegedly broke into a Green­acres home and charged at the homeowner with knives.

Though Palm Beach County's overall homicide rate continued to decline in 2011, authorities say justifiable homi­cides increased.

"There definitely was an increase in the Stand Your Ground claims in 2011," said Terri Skiles, chief of the Major Violent Crimes Division in the Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office.

Not counting three fatal shootings that involved officers, six of the county's 84 homicides last year were either determined to be justifiable or resulted in no charges against the alleged assailant. That is the highest number of justifiable homicides involving private citizens since the Stand Your Ground law went into effect in late 2005, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

There were four justifiable homicides involving private citizens in 2010, and three each in 2008 and 2009, FDLE statistics show.

Law enforcement officials caution that it's too soon to determine whether the increase reflects an emerging trend.

However, the Stand Your Ground law became a topic of contention in September when Circuit Judge Richard Oftedahl dismissed charges against Monahan in the shooting deaths of Raymond Mohlman, 49, and Matthew Vittum, 43. At issue was whether Monahan had reason to fear for his life. Neither man was armed and neither touched Mon­ahan.

The law says people who are attacked on their property have no duty to retreat and can meet force with deadly force to protect themselves.

Palm Beach County State Attorney Michael McAuliffe declined to discuss the judge's decision in the Monahan case, citing a pending appeal .

The county's top prosecutor expressed some concern, however, about how the law might affect investigations in specific circumstances. "The way the law is written, it has proved to be an impediment to certain situations that we believed, on the evidence, supported charges," he said.

The law's proponents say it has resulted in law enforcement investigators and prosecutors examining potential instances of justifiable force more thoroughly before pursuing charges.

"There's no question that law has certainly brought to light the fact that certain situations and certain circumstances, as tragic as they are, often are the product of justifiable shootings and killings, whether it be self-defense, Stand Your Ground or officer-related shootings," criminal defense attorney Michael Salnick said. "I think it goes to law enforcement's credit and to prosecutors who are doing the right thing in looking at the law before making a snap decision to charge someone."

In some situations, such as the Greenacres confrontation, investigators did not file charges. Police said Fritz charged at homeowner Joseph Wagner with knives on July 17 after breaking into the residence .

Fritz "was looking for blood," Wagner's son Joe told The Palm Beach Post in July. "We have guns for protection, and now we know why."

After a Dec. 29 incident in Royal Palm Beach, Palm Beach County sheriff's detectives determined that Damian Niemeyer fired his gun out of fear when he confronted a teen and two others who were allegedly trying to steal his motorcycle. Niemeyer, 37, told detectives that he fired his gun at them after one of the men pointed a gun at him while Niemeyer was shouting at them from his townhouse's second-floor bedroom window.

The shooting left 19-year-old Benjy Young of West Palm Beach dead on the townhouse complex's pavement.

Despite the spike in alleged justifiable homicides last year, the county's overall number continued to drop: There were 11 fewer killings in 2011 than in 2010. The total of 84 marked the third straight year that Palm Beach County had fewer than 100 homicides.

McAuliffe said he believes that efforts by law enforcement agencies and prosecutors to target gangs and repeat offenders have helped to reduce the violent crime rate.

"I think we've seen a stepping down of violent crime in general," McAuliffe said, "and I think homi­cides are probably part of that larger story."

Citing the recent arrests in the first murder case of 2012, the killing of Belle Glade grocer Jimmy McMillan, McAuliffe stressed that it's important for the community to play a role in bringing violent offenders to justice.

"In the future, the challenge we have is that many homicides depend on the community's cooperation to help solve and to hold the perpetrators accountable," he said. "You saw a perfect example of that play out (in the McMillan case)."

'Stand Your Ground' law

in Florida

* Passed in 2005, it gives occupants of a home or car the right to use deadly force to protect themselves against an attack.

* The measure presumes that an unlawful intruder is there to cause death or great bodily harm.



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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #127 on: January 21, 2012, 09:05:53 AM »
Lawyer: Shooter had right to fire(PA)
altoonamirror.com ^ | 20 January, 2012 | Greg Bock




The Allegheny Township homeowner who shot a man he thought was trying to get into his house in the middle of the night gave plenty of warnings and was "well within his legal rights" to pull the trigger, his attorney said.

Attorney Steven Passarello said Thursday his client, Timothy Lepore, and his wife were frightened for their lives as Brandon L. Zeth, 24, pounded on their windows and doors while screaming, "I'm coming in!" just after midnight Saturday morning on Cunningham Lane in Allegheny Township.

"Of course my client didn't know what the individual was there for, banging on the windows and acting aggressively," Passarello said.

Allegheny Township police have released scant details of the confrontation Jan. 14 at the Cunningham Lane home that left Zeth in critical condition at the Altoona Regional Health System from multiple gunshot wounds. No new condition report was available Thursday, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Passarello said there have been misinterpretations about what happened at Lepore's home in the past week, particularly since Zeth's family spoke with WTAJ-TV and said Zeth wasn't trying to break in but was intoxicated and thought he was at his girlfriend's house nearby.

Several attempts by the Mirror to contact Zeth's family were unsuccessful.

Passarello said that to the homeowner, it looked as if Zeth was there to do the couple harm.

It started with Zeth pounding on the front door, which woke the Lepore couple, who are in their 60s, with a start, Passarello said. Zeth was yelling he wanted to come inside. Zeth then moved to a living room window and rapped on it, all the while screaming that he was "coming in," the attorney said.

Passarello said when Zeth jumped onto a back deck, which had a locked entrance, and began yelling and banging on their bedroom


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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #128 on: January 21, 2012, 09:57:21 AM »
Lawyer: Shooter had right to fire(PA)
altoonamirror.com ^ | 20 January, 2012 | Greg Bock




The Allegheny Township homeowner who shot a man he thought was trying to get into his house in the middle of the night gave plenty of warnings and was "well within his legal rights" to pull the trigger, his attorney said.

Attorney Steven Passarello said Thursday his client, Timothy Lepore, and his wife were frightened for their lives as Brandon L. Zeth, 24, pounded on their windows and doors while screaming, "I'm coming in!" just after midnight Saturday morning on Cunningham Lane in Allegheny Township.

"Of course my client didn't know what the individual was there for, banging on the windows and acting aggressively," Passarello said.

Allegheny Township police have released scant details of the confrontation Jan. 14 at the Cunningham Lane home that left Zeth in critical condition at the Altoona Regional Health System from multiple gunshot wounds. No new condition report was available Thursday, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Passarello said there have been misinterpretations about what happened at Lepore's home in the past week, particularly since Zeth's family spoke with WTAJ-TV and said Zeth wasn't trying to break in but was intoxicated and thought he was at his girlfriend's house nearby.

Several attempts by the Mirror to contact Zeth's family were unsuccessful.

Passarello said that to the homeowner, it looked as if Zeth was there to do the couple harm.

It started with Zeth pounding on the front door, which woke the Lepore couple, who are in their 60s, with a start, Passarello said. Zeth was yelling he wanted to come inside. Zeth then moved to a living room window and rapped on it, all the while screaming that he was "coming in," the attorney said.

Passarello said when Zeth jumped onto a back deck, which had a locked entrance, and began yelling and banging on their bedroom


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Stupid homeowner...
He should have stopped and tried to ask the intruder if he was sober and had the right house.
But, no...as soon as someone comes in your yard in the middle of the night and starts banging on doors & windows, yelling that he's going to force his way in, you gun-toting, right-wing loons all jump to conclusions that he's up to no good.


Hey, I don't care if the guy was mistaken and/or high, or drunk, etc.
Whatever his state or rationale, he had no good intentions.
Those people had a right to protect themselves.

And, if the stupid fukker hadn't been trespassing, he'd have never gotten shot.
The only thing I feel bad about is that, since the guy lived, he'll probably now come back, press charges, and sue the shit out of the elderly couple.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #129 on: January 21, 2012, 12:45:51 PM »
guns are awesome

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #130 on: January 21, 2012, 09:44:02 PM »
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Posted on January 22, 2012 12:38:34 AM EST by Innovative

Authorities say a customer at a South Carolina Waffle shop pulled a gun and shot one of two men trying to rob the restaurant.

Authorities said the customer had a concealed weapon permit and tried to hold the two men at gunpoint until officers arrived, but that one suspect began to point his gun at the customer, who then fired shots. The second robber fled and is being sought by authorities.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #131 on: January 21, 2012, 10:01:25 PM »
My new AR-15 I just built last week ...way too much fun to shoot to put in words.

Built this as a Christmas present for myself.



awesome weapon, I love it

learned how to shoot not too long ago and I am love with the AR-15

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #132 on: January 22, 2012, 12:44:39 AM »

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #133 on: January 22, 2012, 08:35:48 AM »
Where did bench go he hasnt posted in a long time is he still alive? He would be all over this thread.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #134 on: January 22, 2012, 09:25:25 AM »
Where did bench go he hasnt posted in a long time is he still alive? He would be all over this thread.


Bench hasn't posted since the Bin Laden raid.

Good dude.

Bench, I mean.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #135 on: January 29, 2012, 12:47:55 AM »

Bench hasn't posted since the Bin Laden raid.

Good dude.

Bench, I mean.

x2, after the Bin Laden thing he needs to lay down a bit, he will be back probably after he shot the Iranian dude.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2012, 06:26:23 PM »
Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens (New Cato study, FReeper author)
The Cato Institute ^ | February 2, 2012 | Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett
Posted on February 2, 2012 8:56:56 PM EST by FreedomPoster

The ostensible purpose of gun control legislation is to reduce firearm deaths and injuries. The restriction of access to firearms will make criminals unable to use guns to shoot people. Gun control laws will also reduce the number of accidental shootings. Those are the desired effects, at least in theory. It is important, however, for conscientious policymakers to consider not only the stated goals of gun control regulations, but the actual results that they produce.

What would be the effect of depriving ordinary, law-abiding citizens from keeping arms for self-defense? One result seems certain: the law-abiding would be at a distinct disadvantage should criminals acquire guns from underground markets. After all, it is simply not possible for police officers to get to every scene where they are urgently needed.

Outside of criminology circles, relatively few people can reasonably estimate how often people use guns to fend off criminal attacks. If policymakers are truly interested in harm reduction, they should pause to consider how many crimes — murders, rapes, assaults, robberies — are thwarted each year by ordinary persons with guns. The estimates of defensive gun use range between the tens of thousands to as high as two million each year.

This paper uses a collection of news reports of self-defense with guns over an eight-year period to survey the circumstances and outcomes of defensive gun uses in America.

Federal and state lawmakers often oppose repealing or amending laws governing the ownership or carrying of guns. That opposition is typically based on assumptions that the average citizen is incapable of successfully employing a gun in self-defense or that possession of a gun in public will tempt people to violence in "road rage" or other contentious situations. Those assumptions are false. The vast majority of gun owners are ethical and competent. That means tens of thousands of crimes are prevented each year by ordinary citizens with guns.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2012, 06:29:11 PM »
Wow. What a surprise. Getbig's simpleton bumps a thread...    ::)

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #138 on: February 02, 2012, 06:33:18 PM »
Wow. What a surprise. Getbig's simpleton bumps a thread...    ::)

Yeah, too bad it's the thug savage anima element getting taken out by law abiding citizens sick of dealing w the apes and baboons of society who can't live like civilized people. 

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #139 on: February 02, 2012, 06:39:32 PM »
Yeah, too bad it's the thug savage anima element getting taken out by law abiding citizens sick of dealing w the apes and baboons of society who can't live like civilized people.  
See, here's the deal, idiot. 'Anima,' is a Jungian psychological archetype. You are a farking retread, with too many miles on the road.   ::)

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« Reply #140 on: February 02, 2012, 06:41:33 PM »
See, here's the deal, idiot. 'Anima,' is a Jungian psychological archetype. You are a farking retread, with too many miles on the road.   ::)

I live in the Bronx NY.   I know the animals ghetto thug beasts beyond most.  Society would be way better off if we could get rid of most of these worthless slugs. 

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2012, 06:44:05 PM »
I live in the Bronx NY.   I know the animals ghetto thug beasts beyond most.  Society would be way better off if we could get rid of most of these worthless slugs. 
From where I live, we would be better off without you swarthy scum.    ::)

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #142 on: February 02, 2012, 06:46:28 PM »
From where I live, we would be better off without you swarthy scum.    ::)

I have never done , sold, or committed acts of violence for drugs.    I have never been arrested or convicted of a crime, I have never taken a penny of welfare, UE, etc.   

I am not the problem.   


The ghetto criminal savage animal element is the problem. 

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #143 on: February 02, 2012, 06:59:47 PM »
I have never done , sold, or committed acts of violence for drugs.    I have never been arrested or convicted of a crime, I have never taken a penny of welfare, UE, etc.   

I am not the problem.   


The ghetto criminal savage animal element is the problem. 
You're an I-tay, right? You're scum, so fuck off. Thieving piece of shit.All I'Tays are thieves. American immigration policies were/have been so garnered against you, and Asians.  ::)

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #144 on: February 02, 2012, 07:05:01 PM »
You're an I-tay, right? You're scum, so fuck off. Thieving piece of shit.All I'Tays are thieves. American immigration policies were/have been so garnered against you, and Asians.  ::)

LOL.    Those closest to the thugs are often the most against them.

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #145 on: February 02, 2012, 07:09:06 PM »
LOL.    Those closest to the thugs are often the most against them.

Hmm. That almost makes sense. Maybe another generation will see it right?

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #146 on: February 02, 2012, 07:11:37 PM »
Hmm. That almost makes sense. Maybe another generation will see it right?

Bernie Goetz is my hero as is Dirty Harry, Taxi Driver, Michael Douglas in Falling Down, etc. 

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #147 on: February 02, 2012, 07:13:58 PM »
Bernie Goetz is my hero as is Dirty Harry, Taxi Driver, Michael Douglas in Falling Down, etc. 
Ah. Vengeful psychopaths. Mostly fictitious characters. Gotcha.   ::)

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #148 on: February 02, 2012, 07:16:12 PM »
Ah. Vengeful psychopaths. Mostly fictitious characters. Gotcha.   ::)

Taking out the thugs. 

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Re: Gun Appreciation Thread
« Reply #149 on: February 02, 2012, 07:20:12 PM »
Taking out the thugs.  
You don't get it, do you? When the GOP do the the political D&C, they will be first scraping you and your kind, not me, nor mine.