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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2011, 09:57:45 PM »
LOL have a buddy whos dad owns a number of McDonalds around Houston he just finshed "burger U" and has worked as a manager for them probably going on 2 years now.

I myself work for a company whos number one cost is labor, I know that of what I speak my friend ;)

So if you know anything that you're talking about, you'll understand when I say that the cheaper it is to pay labor, the more you can hire.

LOL the only reason its "inefficient" is b/c youre not making as much as you could be...

Again your not being as GREEDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as you could be...

without human nature, more specifically the greed part, supply and demand is simply theory...

like I said, but thank you for making my point ;)

No, the reason why it is inefficient is because you have no mechanism for determining who wants the good in question the most. In a normal market process, the goods go to the people willing to pay the most, in other words, the goods go to the people who want the good the most. If you freeze the price below a market level, the goods will not go to those people as it should and instead you'll have a lot of people who don't get the good that would be willing to pay more in order to get it.

lol again youre looking at it with the same margins....stop looking at it with the same margins and look at it with the idea of the company lowering their margins in order to employ or pay more to the ppl that are consumers of their product/service and there by creating more demand.

Lower margins but higher revenue, in the end there might be a net gain!!!

That never happens in practice and you know it.

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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2011, 10:01:13 PM »
No, the reason why it is inefficient is because you have no mechanism for determining who wants the good in question the most. In a normal market process, the goods go to the people willing to pay the most, in other words, the goods go to the people who want the good the most. If you freeze the price below a market level, the goods will not go to those people as it should and instead you'll have a lot of people who don't get the good that would be willing to pay more in order to get it.
Or in other words the goods should go to the ppl in which you can make the most money off of?

first I didnt say freeze, second what would be wrong with the situation you implied?

it would be that the person selling wouldnt be making the most from the product they were selling, right?

thats the inefficiency youre talking about...

they arent being as greedy as they could be...::)

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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2011, 10:03:35 PM »
So if you know anything that you're talking about, you'll understand when I say that the cheaper it is to pay labor, the more you can hire.

That never happens in practice and you know it.
HOLY SHIT SON, do you not listen?

do you know what margins are?

ok, if you do think about this if your workers are ppl who consume your service/product and you pay them more while keeping your prices the same(so lowering your margins), so they are able to consume more....

you may have a net gain b/c you increase revenue to cover your decrease in margins...

what part of that do you not get?

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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2011, 10:35:46 PM »
That's a hell of a way to do business in the real world but I guess it works in Never Never Land. No offense Tony, but you have spoken like a true Micheal Moore economic crackpot. Yes, of course greed is involved in the pursuit of profit, but thier is also fear of losses. Your making a standard liberal falacious notion to think that there will be an increase in total revenue for the company if that company pays more than what is necessary to an employee, so that employee will spend it on other companies and therefore the money will eventually come back to the employer from other companies that do the same thing.  It would be more likely that the company would go out of business and then thier would be NO income for those now unemployed people to spend.
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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2011, 06:27:53 AM »
That's a hell of a way to do business in the real world but I guess it works in Never Never Land. No offense Tony, but you have spoken like a true Micheal Moore economic crackpot. Yes, of course greed is involved in the pursuit of profit, but thier is also fear of losses. Your making a standard liberal falacious notion to think that there will be an increase in total revenue for the company if that company pays more than what is necessary to an employee, so that employee will spend it on other companies and therefore the money will eventually come back to the employer from other companies that do the same thing.  It would be more likely that the company would go out of business and then thier would be NO income for those now unemployed people to spend.
No offense taken and Indeed my friend, however...I seriously doubt a company raising their wages for a portion of their employees by less than 50 cents an hour is going to cause a business to go under.

Again show me a business that runs on that thin a margin and Ill show you a business thats going to go under when the wind changes direction.

Im not saying it will work only that it could work, and if you deny that it could work youre being dishonest.

Again Im not saying that it would work but A saavy company in the right position could easily pull it off.

Yes it goes against conventional thinking and in the face of our atlas friends views but that doesnt mean it wouldnt work.

You cant paint each business with the same brush just like you cant paint each economy with the same brush.

Yes certain principles work better than others but b/c economics whether you want to except it or not is based on human nature different cultures will thrive/struggle given different economic scenarios.

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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2011, 09:12:01 AM »
This:

That's a hell of a way to do business in the real world but I guess it works in Never Never Land. No offense Tony, but you have spoken like a true Micheal Moore economic crackpot. Yes, of course greed is involved in the pursuit of profit, but thier is also fear of losses. Your making a standard liberal falacious notion to think that there will be an increase in total revenue for the company if that company pays more than what is necessary to an employee, so that employee will spend it on other companies and therefore the money will eventually come back to the employer from other companies that do the same thing.  It would be more likely that the company would go out of business and then thier would be NO income for those now unemployed people to spend.

And yes, raising the minimum wage by $0.50 does change business decisions. It doesn't cause the business to go under but it does cause the business to cut back on labor costs either by hiring less than it otherwise would or employing its current labor force for less total hours per week.

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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2011, 10:42:25 AM »
Lot's of actual studies on the topic can be found here:  http://raisetheminimumwage.org/pages/job-loss


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Re: Minimum wage increases for workers in eight states
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2011, 11:15:45 AM »
This:

And yes, raising the minimum wage by $0.50 does change business decisions. It doesn't cause the business to go under but it does cause the business to cut back on labor costs either by hiring less than it otherwise would or employing its current labor force for less total hours per week.
again it doesnt have to, if they lower their margins...

do you know what margins are ayn?