Who's the best lifetime natty on this board?

[Natural Man]

I'm glad that your approach works for you and you're comfortable with it.  I respect that even if I don't see eye to eye with it.  The truth is always the best policy.  That's why I adhere it when I talk about my approach and the methods to my (limited) competitive success.  

I'm just here to learn more about the sport, read articles, look at photos, and exchange ideas with people who aren't judgmental about my way of doing things.  Natural bodybuilders don't get nearly enough respect on the main boards, it's sad.  But I have a feeling that you, and others can change that.  You're well spoken and polite when you're not trying to state your opinion as fact.

For me, it's not about sponsors, but rather connecting with like minded people who are determined to improve themselves.  I don't ever expect to make a living from competing.

dude, you look as good if not better than bodybuilders in the 70s era who were on a shitload of steroids. What kind of psycho are you to lie so blatantly in the face of people like you do on here. I m sure it works with the average newbie who just joined a gym and with the general public, but it cannot work with us on here. Too many people with too much experience and decades of training behind them who have seen it all. Spare yourself and us another well written paragraph of utter bullshits  and just get the fuck out already.

[EspenG]

Can someone please change the thread title to: Who's the best lifetime lying natty on this board? It seems we have a few strong candidates... Any more?

[QuakerOats]

dude, you look as good if not better than bodybuilders in the 70s era who were on a shitload of steroids. What kind of psycho are you to lie so blatantly in the face of people like you do on here. I m sure it works with the average newbie who just joined a gym and with the general public, but it cannot work with us on here. Too many people with too much experience and decades of training behind them who have seen it all. Spare yourself and us another well written paragraphs of utter bullshits  and just get the fuck out already.

i agree, dude is as natural as a weekend at Neverland Ranch.

[Andy Griffin]

The True Adonis is the greatest lifetime natural.

[patbanya]

Too many people with too much experience and decades of training behind them who have seen it all.

If that were really the case then we this threaded wouldn't be necessary.  But, people see it fit to intentionally flame those who exceed their own expectations.  An opinion based solely on how someone looks means absolutely nothing other than genetic predisposition; and that's only if it comes from an unbiased, objective source.

And the comment about the 70s era made me smile even though I don't agree.  Since there's no way to really know how I would look next to someone unless it actually happened it's not very relevant.  But, I'll take it as a compliment.  Thank you!

[ironneck]

Hahahahaha   , yeah I'm so small you can't doubt me! Can you believe these fuckers? Maybe I should just eat some fried plantains, some potatoes and take some creatine and become as huge as Meso, Adrain, this new black bullshitter, Goudy and all the other "claimers",


  oh brother as natural as JNN 69'ing Goodrum

haha just joking handsome persian playa 

[Natural Man]

If that were really the case then we this threaded wouldn't be necessary.  But, people see it fit to intentionally flame those who exceed their own expectations.  An opinion based solely on how someone looks means absolutely nothing other than genetic predisposition; and that's only if it comes from an unbiased, objective source.

And the comment about the 70s era made me smile even though I don't agree.  Since there's no way to really know how I would look next to someone unless it actually happened it's not very relevant.  But, I'll take it as a compliment.  Thank you!

You know you re just the 99999999th clown who came on here hoping he d be worshiped by ignorant, gullible newbies and will end being insulted by everyone til he deletes his account?
You re just here to post pics of your steroided physique, basically for pure, unalterated attention just like whores who post 50 new pics of themselves posing doing duck faces on facebook daily.
We get it, you re on steroids and pretend to be natural, more dedicated, more gifted, smarter, tougher than everyone else, bleeched your teeth and speak as a pompous asshole but at the end of the day we all know you re just a shallow lying loser looking desperatly for attention, who needed steroids to get an edge in his life cause he didnt succeed in anything else significant. What kind of satisfaction do you get to tell people you re not on steroids when you actually are?

[patbanya]

You know you re just the 99999999th clown who came on here hoping he d be worshiped by ignorants and will end being insulted by everyone til he deletes his account?

I am well aware of what this place is like.  But if you go to my first post, I never threw my hat into the ring.  I actually complimented another bodybuilder on their physique.  Someone else posted a full shot of my avatar and I responded.  Open and shut case.  I continue to respond because I respect ALL of you.  Even the ones that are cynical and misguided.

[MAXX]

You know you re just the 99999999th clown who came on here hoping he d be worshiped by ignorant, gullible newbies and will end being insulted by everyone til he deletes his account?
You re just here to post pics of your steroided physique, basically for pure, unalterated attention just like whores who post 50 new pics of themselves posing doing duck faces on facebook daily.
We get it, you re on steroids and pretend to be natural, more dedicated, more gifted, smarter, tougher than everyone else, bleeched your teeth and speak as a pompous asshole but at the end of the day we all know you re just a shallow lying loser looking desperatly for attention, who needed steroids to get an edge in his life.

it is truly pathetic 

[L.L]

In addition to being a top natural competitor, I'm also a fan of the sport.  I think most of us who compete started that way at one time or another.  I think Ron runs a brilliant site, and brings a lot of news to print before some of the other sites.  But, I also hop around a few well known boards that offer contest coverage and news articles.

Most of us here been around the block a few times..I'm not gonna hate on your physique because you look good but do not insult our intelligence by trying to pass as a natural bodybuilder..that shit wont fly here..you guys are worse that women they believe their own lies.

and that Adrian or whatever his name is , another delusional liar

[Natural Man]

I am well aware of what this place is like.  

I doubt it considering the way you introduced yourself to other members.

Even the ones that are cynical and misguided.

Are you really the one talking about cynism ? Now that's cynical.

[patbanya]

I'm not ognan hate on your physique because you look good

Thanks.  I'll just leave it at that.  I think Adrian looks great as well.

[BiGHer]

I'm glad that your approach works for you and you're comfortable with it.  I respect that even if I don't see eye to eye with it.  The truth is always the best policy.  That's why I adhere it when I talk about my approach and the methods to my (limited) competitive success.  

I'm just here to learn more about the sport, read articles, look at photos, and exchange ideas with people who aren't judgmental about my way of doing things.  Natural bodybuilders don't get nearly enough respect on the main boards, it's sad.  But I have a feeling that you, and others can change that.  You're well spoken and polite when you're not trying to state your opinion as fact.

For me, it's not about sponsors, but rather connecting with like minded people who are determined to improve themselves.  I don't ever expect to make a living from competing.

You're a liar though.  Is that OK with you?  Seriously, I can tell you are giving the proper interview answers as if potential sponsors are reading these threads and you don't want to risk contract.

As a man though, when you look yourself in the mirror, are you content knowing that you are a liar and you lie to people involved in this sport you claim to be a fan of?

I expect another "interview" answer because I think their may be something wrong with you.  You may be extremely delusionaly, but if not, as a man, I have to assume you can't be proud of the skeleton in your closet.

I understand you may have a following on other boards and some kids who take your word dearly, but that won't fly here.  Even Ron knows you're not natural.  He's been in this industry long enough.  I just sometimes wonder how you guys live with yourselves.

I admit my useage on here.  I have posted plenty of photos too.  I guess if I ever get sponsored, I'll take the Adrain approach and just not answer or ignore the questions about PED's.  Lie about it though?  I don't know.  I think I'd rather make my own financial success and not rely on sponsors like many bodybuilders do and just keep the drug use to myself or on GB where people have the freedom to discuss such things.

Read what you said and then read what I originally stated and asked.  Notice how you did not answer a single question I asked nor did you make a decently intelligent attempt to respond to anything I actually said.

What you did is give an "interview answer," which is exactly what I expected you to do.

You may be intelligent and know how to give a savvy response, but it doesn't change that you are a liar or suffer from severe delusions.

My advice: 1) stop trying to bullshit this board,  2) you are better off not responding than giving interview answers, and 3) If you truly care about giving people sound advice on improving themselves, you would be honest with them, and not try to pass yourself off as something that's achievable naturally.

I'm not stating my opinion as fact.  That would imply that there is room for debate in this discussion when there's not.  You know it, so do I, and so does the majority of this board.

Threads like this only exist because there are liars in this world who bring reason for them to exist.  

My father once said to me "I sleep at night because I know the good I have done in this world far outweighs the bad."  Maybe this is a philosophy that you also hold true.  Either way, I'm impressed that you are able to live happily, or at least appear to do so, whilst lying to the people in the sport (cult) you claim to care about.

Good luck with whatever you do and even better luck to you on this board... you're gonna need it.  This aint Bodybuilding.com buddy!  

[adrain]

sure thing "BEASTMODE"  .

isn't that sweet, god gave you stellar unworldly genetics all so you can stand in your parents living room in a thong.  See why we know you lie?  If it were only about your parents and kids opinions, you would never have showed up to the thunderdome, you wouldn't own anything other than long-sleeve sweatshirts.

I've heard some whoppers on getbig, but "bodybuilding for my parents" tops them all.

Lol I didn't say I bodybuild for my parents and kids!  It's their opinions of me as a Man, Son and Father is what I care about.  I bodybuild for myself here in Texas no long -sleeves needed.

[QuakerOats]

maybe "patbanya" gets anabolic effects from lying.

[TrueGrit]

The black natural is a sight to behold. These brothers were born with trenbolone in the umbilical cord.

[patbanya]

Notice how you did not answer a single question I asked nor did you make a decently intelligent attempt to respond to anything I actually said.

What you did is give an "interview answer," which is exactly what I expected you to do.

You may be intelligent and know how to give a savvy response, but it doesn't change that you are a liar or suffer from severe delusions.

I'm not stating my opinion as fact.  That would imply that there is room for debate in this discussion when there's not.  You know it, so do I, and so does the majority of this board.

Threads like this only exist because there are liars in this world who bring reason for them to exist.  

Good luck with whatever you do and even better luck to you on this board... you're gonna need it.  This aint Bodybuilding.com buddy!  

Rather than respond with rude or inappropriate comments to questions that are not relevant, I chose to overlook them.  As a courtesy to yourself, and others, for apparently being respected on this board.  I'm the new guy, therefore, why would I try to pick fights?

Call my answers what you will, but I would say the same thing to you in person if I ever had to opportunity.  And since you seem friendly enough, I'm sure you and I would get along just fine.  The internet has a way of being very impersonal.

Thanks for at least one compliment in all that!  It's obvious you're a very smart poster and know how to word things just right.

There is room for debate, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted me and replied.  If I knew what you say is the truth, then none of this conversation would be transpiring.  You and I, and many others, will always disagree on what is possible through natural effort and hard work alone.  Please, let's not go back and forth.

When you have facts, please, provide the appropriate support and cite them.  And, a GH15 post is, as a reminder, an opinion based on an anonymous board member's experience.  NOT fact.  You seem very familiar with bodybuilding.com, Layne Norton has plenty examples of facts in his post count.

Threads like this to exist to bring comradery and unification to those who do not want to accept the truth of the matter because they chose to limit themselves.  I know you and many others are better than that.  I just wish I could help you open your eyes.  But, those of you who want to see the truth, will do it in your own time.

And, finally, you'll find that even on bodybuilding.com, where there is more regular moderation, not everyone agrees with me.  That's okay and I accept it.  I realize that people have their opinions.  Just as everything that you, and most people in this thread, have said is based on just that; opinion.

Thank you for the discussion.  You guys are the best!

[King Shizzo]

Rather than respond with rude or inappropriate comments to questions that are not relevant, I chose to overlook them.  As a courtesy to yourself, and others, for apparently being respected on this board.  I'm the new guy, therefore, why would I try to pick fights?

Call my answers what you will, but I would say the same thing to you in person if I ever had to opportunity.  And since you seem friendly enough, I'm sure you and I would get along just fine.  The internet has a way of being very impersonal.

Thanks for at least one compliment in all that!  It's obvious you're a very smart poster and know how to word things just right.

There is room for debate, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted me and replied.  If I knew what you say is the truth, then none of this conversation would be transpiring.  You and I, and many others, will always disagree on what is possible through natural effort and hard work alone.  Please, let's not go back and forth.

When you have facts, please, provide the appropriate support and cite them.  And, a GH15 post is, as a reminder, is an opinion based on an anonymous board member's experience.  NOT fact.  You seem very familiar with bodybuilding.com, Layne Norton has plenty examples of facts in his post count.

Threads like this to exist to bring comradery and unification to those who do not want to accept the truth of the matter because they chose to limit themselves.  I know you and many others are better than that.  I just wish I could help you open your eyes.  But, those of you who want to see the truth, will do it in your own time.

And, finally, you'll find that even on bodybuilding.com, where there is more regular moderation, not everyone agrees with me.  That's okay and I accept it.  I realize that people have their opinions.  Just as everything that you, and most people in this thread, have said is based on just that; opinion.

Thank you for the discussion.  You guys are the best!

"IF" (and thats a big if)  you are natural (bullshit imho) then you are the top 1% in the genetic pool. Congratulations

[che]

Rather than respond with rude or inappropriate comments to questions that are not relevant, I chose to overlook them.  As a courtesy to yourself, and others, for apparently being respected on this board.  I'm the new guy, therefore, why would I try to pick fights?

Call my answers what you will, but I would say the same thing to you in person if I ever had to opportunity.  And since you seem friendly enough, I'm sure you and I would get along just fine.  The internet has a way of being very impersonal.

Thanks for at least one compliment in all that!  It's obvious you're a very smart poster and know how to word things just right.

There is room for debate, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted me and replied.  If I knew what you say is the truth, then none of this conversation would be transpiring.  You and I, and many others, will always disagree on what is possible through natural effort and hard work alone.  Please, let's not go back and forth.

When you have facts, please, provide the appropriate support and cite them.  And, a GH15 post is, as a reminder, is an opinion based on an anonymous board member's experience.  NOT fact.  You seem very familiar with bodybuilding.com, Layne Norton has plenty examples of facts in his post count.

Threads like this to exist to bring comradery and unification to those who do not want to accept the truth of the matter because they chose to limit themselves.  I know you and many others are better than that.  I just wish I could help you open your eyes.  But, those of you who want to see the truth, will do it in your own time.

And, finally, you'll find that even on bodybuilding.com, where there is more regular moderation, not everyone agrees with me.  That's okay and I accept it.  I realize that people have their opinions.  Just as everything that you, and most people in this thread, have said is based on just that; opinion.

Thank you for the discussion.  You guys are the best!

STFU,seriously.

[patbanya]

"IF" (and thats a big if)  you are natural (bullshit imho) then you are the top 1% in the genetic pool. Congratulations

I have a feeling more of you would reach your potential if you stopped buying into other peoples opinions and made it a lifestyle.  But, I know it's not appropriate for everyone, and some people are more casual about their approach to bodybuilding.  Thanks for at least trying to give me the benefit of the doubt.  On here that definitely means a lot.

[el numero uno]

Rather than respond with rude or inappropriate comments to questions that are not relevant, I chose to overlook them.  As a courtesy to yourself, and others, for apparently being respected on this board.  I'm the new guy, therefore, why would I try to pick fights?

Call my answers what you will, but I would say the same thing to you in person if I ever had to opportunity.  And since you seem friendly enough, I'm sure you and I would get along just fine.  The internet has a way of being very impersonal.

Thanks for at least one compliment in all that!  It's obvious you're a very smart poster and know how to word things just right.

There is room for debate, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted me and replied.  If I knew what you say is the truth, then none of this conversation would be transpiring.  You and I, and many others, will always disagree on what is possible through natural effort and hard work alone.  Please, let's not go back and forth.

When you have facts, please, provide the appropriate support and cite them.  And, a GH15 post is, as a reminder, an opinion based on an anonymous board member's experience.  NOT fact.  You seem very familiar with bodybuilding.com, Layne Norton has plenty examples of facts in his post count.

Threads like this to exist to bring comradery and unification to those who do not want to accept the truth of the matter because they chose to limit themselves.  I know you and many others are better than that.  I just wish I could help you open your eyes.  But, those of you who want to see the truth, will do it in your own time.

And, finally, you'll find that even on bodybuilding.com, where there is more regular moderation, not everyone agrees with me.  That's okay and I accept it.  I realize that people have their opinions.  Just as everything that you, and most people in this thread, have said is based on just that; opinion.

Thank you for the discussion.  You guys are the best!

How can you put so much effort in such a nonsense?

[TrueGrit]

I have a feeling more of you would reach your potential if you stopped buying into other peoples opinions and made it a lifestyle.  But, I know it's not appropriate for everyone, and some people are more casual about their approach to bodybuilding.  Thanks for at least trying to give me the benefit of the doubt.  On here that definitely means a lot.

Lots of people make it a "Lifestyle" but still can't beat human physiology without a little a hormonal help. In fact, when it becomes your living, you're more likely to lie because it is a world apart to be one of the greatest living naturals as opposed to just another steroid user with drug muscles. The temptation to lie is far greater.

[patbanya]

Lots of people make it a "Lifestyle" but still can't beat human physiology without a little a hormonal help. In fact, when it becomes your living, you're more likely to lie because it is a world apart to be one of the greatest living naturals as opposed to just another steroid user with drug muscles. The temptation to lie is far greater.

It's not my living.

[King Shizzo]

Lots of people make it a "Lifestyle" but still can't beat human physiology without a little a hormonal help. In fact, when it becomes your living, you're more likely to lie because it is a world apart to be one of the greatest living naturals as opposed to just another steroid user with drug muscles. The temptation to lie is far greater.

I still don't get why they don't make steroids legal for humans without a script.  Smoking, and alcohol are far worse, yet are legal.  Someone high up is making more money on the black market.

[TrueGrit]

It's not my living.

I'm not really bothered about you.

The point is - and it stands - is that liars lie for a multitude of reasons; sometimes for monetary gain, sometimes simply for praise and attention. The fact is that if certain people   claim lifetime natural they will look like one of the greatest on earth but if they admit they use AAS, then they are judged far more critically and look like just another average drug user.

If you've never used anything then congratulations...you're truly elite. If not, then you know where you stand in the above.