After reading a ton, I am wondering if Kigs would be a good addition to a first

[lyquid]

see I thimk this ecplaims me but odd gh maybe you seem my situatiom before.
ibe always looked really masuclime. I was ober sic fot always a foot taller tham eberyome ebem elemtry school. Always looked few yrs older at eighteem I'd habe gfs my age amd there dads would freak out sayimg why are you with some twemty fibe year old lol. Had gap betweem teeth amd so om. So I thimk my igf lebels were high till eighteem ish.
I cycled gaimed great got so friggim leam yet gaimimg size.
but after a certaim age I started always lookimg soft. People wud always commemt ebem at fifteem yrs old that my biceps amd such were hard as a rock.
mow I look soft. Still leam but alot softer tham I'm useto past age eighteem really. Amd simce I always beem a bitch so to say. Mood swimgs emotiomal lol. Always super mice. Agaim like a bitch.

so do you thimk I could of wemt from obiously rly high igf growimg so tall amd always leam. To out of mo where habimg a huge plumit of igf . Cause makimg gaims om steroids mow are so freakimg slow from what I was use to. Amd meber get as hard . I'd eat like a rabbit amd get leam amd big. Mow I eat amazimg amd get soft lol. I kmow my gears legit habe had blood tested om it. Get all side effects.

I'm thimkimg I womt grow amymore from juice amd I'm what you r sayimg. Someome who womt be amythimg without gh. Let me kmow what you thimk. Just odd goimg from pretty much acromgegy high gh mother fucker to a soft bitch with always semsitibe mipples had to get it cut out amd still semsitibe.

backgroumd ismt jewish. Its complete irish pure irish dads family. Mothers is mother side scottish germam amd abit of imdiam. Like matibe americam imdiam. But  I look like a irish fucker camt tam .

the use of gh as first ingredient in cycle sholud depend on the bodybuild estrogenic ratios,, if a fella has HIGH estrogen he will never look good on aas by themselves,, his igf is low ,, his hgh is pretty low,, you have to understand this fellas,,

i recomend to use hgh in first cyclde if you are from specific heritage or if youe esrogen is high,, you should know who you are already ...

if you are very musculine fella ,, defined cut ,, space betwene front teeth ...you wil do well even with ouf hgh until you are 30 year old or over,,

if you are more feminine estrogenic type fella ,, bigger but also more puffed,, more mass,, both fat water and muscle all of them ...you will need hgh to look impressive TO EVER look like bodybuild you wil need hgh


hgh usage is dependent on estrogen ratios in body,, for you want hgh to increae igf levels and igf is the sole THE SOLE responsibility for cell volumizaition and manipulation and division and multipication and balonieviasion,, HGH is! the name of the game

as i said before many many many times ,, about 75 % of bodybuild 2000s woud never become bodybuild if hgh wasnt around,, they just dont cut it ,, they dont have what it take....they are not serge nubret and they are not sergio oliva,, 75% woudl never even think about bodybuild with out gh getting into the scene


gh15 approved

[notsureifsrs]

I totally understand what you are saying. I know you are correct about all this stuff. I just hope I can somehow keep the slightest bit more than what I gained naturally. If I am not happy with what I am able to keep, I will probably do what many of you do and just stay on. If I make that decision, I am going to search out ways of getting at least test legally prescribed, even though I am goin to add in plenty of roids that I obtained on my own.

As far as the growth hormone usage for this first cycle, the one thing that actually has driven me to question it, was the fear of coming off everything and losing the benfits it showered onto me, while being left with negatives. It would suck losing lots of muscle while being left with biffer paws. I know this doesn't happen for the most part, but what do you think about that? Thanks so much for everything.

Even if you manage to keep a very few pounds does it worth the money that you are going to spend, the possibility of getting side effects that may stay longer than you really think, the fact that you are going to mess with your hormones levels and who knows how you are going to respond you may fuck up your test levels for much longer than you think (after all everyone recovers differently and the fact that your test is naturally high doesn't mean too much in this case) and did you think about the period of time after the pct that all you are going to do at the gym is trying to keep what you gained even-thought you know that you will lose most of it if not everything?

Also the fact that people say they use pct, they come off and still manage all the gains and such doesn't mean that they speak the truth.

[Arnold jr]

I should have stated in my first reply that I was speaking in very general terms. Of course how long you stay off will make a difference and I have no idea what the OP has in mind.

As far as reverting back to your natural limit that you were at when you first started supplementing...this I disagree with for a few reasons. Yes, the longer you stay off the more you're going to lose, but to continually revert back just because more time has passed is a bit iffy IMO and dependent on many factors. Where your natural hormone levels end up will determine a lot...GH15 sort of touched on this a little in his first response to the thread.

At any rate, just my personal experience, after nearly ten years of supplementing, I was able to maintain quite a bit for a good 8 or 9 months. I cut back on my training a little, but made it a bit more focused. Shorter sessions, but more focus on each set. I had to watch my diet a little more so than normal but for 8-9 months I was fine. After that, I lost a little more, but was still far from anywhere near my initial natural limit or whatever you want to call it. Of course, at this time I began having some serious physical problems, and no matter how I trained or ate my BF started to slowly creep up. Anyway, long story short, and this would not apply to most guys, my total test levels were at 63, this was after almost 18months of nothing...my thyroid was a mess, even my estrogen levels were almost non-existent....basically I was producing almost no hormones of any kind....my body had gone into shock and I was getting sick. Things are better now, the HRT program I've been on since May has brought me back to feeling like a normal human being again. I guess I'm getting off topic here but it's nice to feel normal again. I won't lie, I miss actually supplementing though, I probably always will....but it is what it is.

[Arnold jr]

I actually agree with you for once lol... you can keep gains up to 4-5 months like stavios said but thats if you're lucky.. more like 90 days with aas, same as gh15 says about the 90 day hgh window of opportunity if you will....

Do we normally no agree, lol!?!

I'm actually pretty awesome 

[notsureifsrs]

I should have stated in my first reply that I was speaking in very general terms. Of course how long you stay off will make a difference and I have no idea what the OP has in mind.

As far as reverting back to your natural limit that you were at when you first started supplementing...this I disagree with for a few reasons. Yes, the longer you stay off the more you're going to lose, but to continually revert back just because more time has passed is a bit iffy IMO and dependent on many factors. Where your natural hormone levels end up will determine a lot...GH15 sort of touched on this a little in his first response to the thread.

At any rate, just my personal experience, after nearly ten years of supplementing, I was able to maintain quite a bit for a good 8 or 9 months. I cut back on my training a little, but made it a bit more focused. Shorter sessions, but more focus on each set. I had to watch my diet a little more so than normal but for 8-9 months I was fine. After that, I lost a little more, but was still far from anywhere near my initial natural limit or whatever you want to call it. Of course, at this time I began having some serious physical problems, and no matter how I trained or ate my BF started to slowly creep up. Anyway, long story short, and this would not apply to most guys, my total test levels were at 63, this was after almost 18months of nothing...my thyroid was a mess, even my estrogen levels were almost non-existent....basically I was producing almost no hormones of any kind....my body had gone into shock and I was getting sick. Things are better now, the HRT program I've been on since May has brought me back to feeling like a normal human being again. I guess I'm getting off topic here but it's nice to feel normal again. I won't lie, I miss actually supplementing though, I probably always will....but it is what it is.

You were also prescribed with thyroid meds?

[Arnold jr]

You were also prescribed with thyroid meds?

No, I was made to suffer in that regard. Basically the thinking was that once other areas began to normalize it would kick back in....I was doubtful but it seemed to work...thankfully. I do know some guys who have been prescribed thyroid meds though...just not me.

[csnut18]

the use of gh as first ingredient in cycle sholud depend on the bodybuild estrogenic ratios,, if a fella has HIGH estrogen he will never look good on aas by themselves,, his igf is low ,, his hgh is pretty low,, you have to understand this fellas,,

i recomend to use hgh in first cyclde if you are from specific heritage or if youe esrogen is high,, you should know who you are already ...

if you are very musculine fella ,, defined cut ,, space betwene front teeth ...you wil do well even with ouf hgh until you are 30 year old or over,,

if you are more feminine estrogenic type fella ,, bigger but also more puffed,, more mass,, both fat water and muscle all of them ...you will need hgh to look impressive TO EVER look like bodybuild you wil need hgh


hgh usage is dependent on estrogen ratios in body,, for you want hgh to increae igf levels and igf is the sole THE SOLE responsibility for cell volumizaition and manipulation and division and multipication and balonieviasion,, HGH is! the name of the game

as i said before many many many times ,, about 75 % of bodybuild 2000s woud never become bodybuild if hgh wasnt around,, they just dont cut it ,, they dont have what it take....they are not serge nubret and they are not sergio oliva,, 75% woudl never even think about bodybuild with out gh getting into the scene


gh15 approved

This is certainly some interesting food for thought and makes a ton of sense. I am the type of person who does have the slightly puffy look you describe. I am in pretty good shape though but I will say that my body likes to store fat. Interestingly though, I had blood work done and on a range of 7.6 pg/ml and 42.6pg/ml my Estradiol was 21.7 which is well within the normal range. My IGF-1 1 was also tested on the same blood test and on a range of 116ng/ml to 358ng/ml my level was 257 ng/ml. This seems to be pretty good. Like I said before, my test levels are also good. I do notice that I tend to get estrogenic fat deposits when I get heavier(I never plan on being out of shape ever again, though). From what you say, it seems I am a perfect candidate for gh.

[LittleJ]

why don't you just try some roids at first

what are your goals ?

What? Is this really Stavios?

[flinstones1]

I actually agree with you for once lol... you can keep gains up to 4-5 months like stavios said but thats if you're lucky.. more like 90 days with aas, same as gh15 says about the 90 day hgh window of opportunity if you will....

bro...6 weeks cold turkey and I look like I would look like I  never lifted a weight in my life, and no I'm not exagerating. My  endengeonous test levels are probably 100 ng/dl, some guys are ALL Drugs. I could not bench 185 pounds before I touched a steroid. Some guys developed a pretty good foundation though before jumping on gear and that's why they keep gains easier imo.