Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser

[yates fan]

if you go on competitive history,nasser kills mike,especially at the o.if you go on potential its hard to say cause mike never fulfilled his,although he did have the better back,something that always seemed necessasary to win the olympia.

[bigbobs]

if you go on competitive history,nasser kills mike,especially at the o.if you go on potential its hard to say cause mike never fulfilled his,although he did have the better back,something that always seemed necessasary to win the olympia.

How do you know that?

It's just like arguing that one can't say who would win at UFC at their best between Lesnar and Overeem because Lesnar never fulfilled his potential due to surgery and layoff.

[NarcissisticDeity]

haha you are such a liar find the quote where I said 95 Olympia was both Francois' and Nasser's best?  

And you did NOT provide a score-card for either show showing the placings of the 97 San Jose and AC were close, unless you're just asking me to similarly show a scorecard of the NOC that Nasser and Francois were one placing apart without the actual scores?  

And again you're using the "if" argument when you say "I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best."

Anyway at least you aren't trying to claim that Francois was better than Nasser at his best, so perhaps this is just a debate of symantics.

haha you are such a liar find the quote where I said 95 Olympia was both Francois' and Nasser's best?  

95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him. 


Your quote

And you did NOT provide a score-card for either show showing the placings of the 97 San Jose and AC were close, unless you're just asking me to similarly show a scorecard of the NOC that Nasser and Francois were one placing apart without the actual scores?  

awwww don't like being proven wrong? don't type lies & bull shit. I never claimed the judges gave Nasser a close call over Mike in 1997 did I? you claimed the contest in which Mike beat Nasser was close prove it

I did my part , you said Mike never came close to Nasser from 1995 on and I just proved you flat-out wrong , back up your claim now , again I wont be waiting 

And again you're using the "if" argument when you say "I don't think we ever really saw Mike at his best."

Anyway at least you aren't trying to claim that Francois was better than Nasser at his best, so perhaps this is just a debate of symantics.

I never said if now you're reduced to lying , I said I don't think we seen Mike at his best where did I say if? Where? I mentioned 95 Arnold and I will say that showing will give Nasser a run for his money even at his best

Mike was a lot like Nasser , short legs , long torso , thick , massive but Mike had a back 

[bigbobs]

95 Mr. Olympia was where Nasser and Francois were both at their closest to being their best and on the same stage at the same time, and Nasser smoked him. 

Yes, that's my quote and nowhere does it say that 95 Olympia was both Nasser and Francois' best.  Actually it says that it's neither of their best but the closest to their best inw hich they were on the same stage at the same time.  For the amount that you nit-pick quotes and semantics I'm very surprsied I had to explain this to you.

As for the scorecard stuff, clarify exactly what "proof" you're asking for?  Proof that the 94 NOC placing was only one apart between Nasser and Francois?    Because that's all you've posted in relation to when i asked you for similar proof of the two 97 shows you used as examples. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

How do you know that?

It's just like arguing that one can't say who would win at UFC at their best between Lesnar and Overeem because Lesnar never fulfilled his potential due to surgery and layoff.

We know this easily based on performances because Brock was never in Overeem's league , Mike was in Nassers , Mike beat Nasser

I think the best Mike ever looked contest wise was probably the 95 Arnold and in this version he would give any version of Nasser a real run for his money , not sure if he would win I haven't really given it much thought 

[bigbobs]

We know this easily based on performances because Brock was never in Overeem's league , Mike was in Nassers , Mike beat Nasser I think the best Mike ever looked contest wise was probably the 95 Arnold and in this version he would give any version of Nasser a real run for his money , not sure if he would win I haven't really given it much thought 

Yeah Mike beat an up and coming Nasser  but never a Nasser at his best.

Entertaining that AC was Francois' best, I still doubt it would beat Nasser as in the same year he got 7th to a 3rd place Nasser at the Olympia.  Even if he was not as conditioned at the Olympia as the AC, the gap between 7th and 3rd at an O is like two different bodybuilders altogether, not just the difference between being off later in the same year.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes, that's my quote and nowhere does it say that 95 Olympia was both Nasser and Francois' best.  Actually it says that it's neither of their best but the closest to their best inw hich they were on the same stage at the same time.  For the amount that you nit-pick quotes and semantics I'm very surprsied I had to explain this to you.

As for the scorecard stuff, clarify exactly what "proof" you're asking for?  Proof that the 94 NOC placing was only one apart between Nasser and Francois?    Because that's all you've posted in relation to when i asked you for similar proof of the two 97 shows you used as examples. 

I know what you typed and it was wrong , Mike was way off at the 95 Olympia not close to his best at the same time

You claimed the judges gave Mike a close contest in 94 , a close contest means the two are separated by mere points , Flex was second to Dorian in 1993 but he was no where close to him despite the placing , Flex was extremely close to Ronnie 1998 the first and second placing is separated by 3 points that contest could have gone either way ( despite what fanboys claim to the contrary )

You asked me to prove my point which contradicted your lie that Mike was never close from 95 on wards , I did

I know who was first and second at the 94 NOC , I don't know if it was close or not

[bigbobs]

Also the 95 AC was not a particularly competitive lineup, despite it having greater prize money not a single competitor in the 95 AC placed ahead of the top 4 competitors from 95 NOC

Or lemme guess, everyone from the AC that year could not peak twice in the same year despite the NOC competitors being able to LOL.

[bigbobs]

I know what you typed and it was wrong , Mike was way off at the 95 Olympia not close to his best at the same time

You claimed the judges gave Mike a close contest in 94 , a close contest means the two are separated by mere points , Flex was second to Dorian in 1993 but he was no where close to him despite the placing , Flex was extremely close to Ronnie 1998 the first and second placing is separated by 3 points that contest could have gone either way ( despite what fanboys claim to the contrary )

You asked me to prove my point which contradicted your lie that Mike was never close from 95 on wards , I did

I know who was first and second at the 94 NOC , I don't know if it was close or not

Dude, the links you provided did not show the points which separated Mike and Nasser?  So if I'm to provide the same "proof" as you all I'd be proving is who placed 1st and 2nd?

[Don_Dada]

Jeez! Look at Munzer! Nasser would want to stand near him on a rear double bicep pose. Not in that condition. My God!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah Mike beat an up and coming Nasser  but never a Nasser at his best.

Entertaining that AC was Francois' best, I still doubt it would beat Nasser as in the same year he got 7th to a 3rd place Nasser at the Olympia.  Even if he was not as conditioned at the Olympia as the AC, the gap between 7th and 3rd at an O is like two different bodybuilders altogether, not just the difference between being off later in the same year.

Mike beat Nasser , Nasser returned the favor

I'm not sure Mike could beat Nasser at his best , I know he would beat him unquestionably from the back , I think Nasser would beat Mike from the front , not sure about the sides , etc like I said I never really put much thought into it

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dude, the links you provided did not show the points which separated Mike and Nasser?  So if I'm to provide the same "proof" as you all I'd be proving is who placed 1st and 2nd?

Again I NEVER said they were close , stop trying to deflect from the original point you made which was Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on wards , that was the original point.

I never said the judges awarded Nasser a close contest in 97 , all I said is was he did come close to Nasser in fact behind him which contradicted your point.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Also the 95 AC was not a particularly competitive lineup, despite it having greater prize money not a single competitor in the 95 AC placed ahead of the top 4 competitors from 95 NOC

Or lemme guess, everyone from the AC that year could not peak twice in the same year despite the NOC competitors being able to LOL.

It didn't have a competitive line-up?  Flex , Clairmonte , Munzer , Mike and Labrada all in awesome shape , LMFAO

some how Nasser was better despite not daring to enter the Arnold . we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.

[bigbobs]

Again I NEVER said they were close , stop trying to deflect from the original point you made which was Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on wards , that was the original point.

I never said the judges awarded Nasser a close contest in 97 , all I said is was he did come close to Nasser in fact behind him which contradicted your point.

I said Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC based on the fact that they were placed next to each other, you argued that similarly Francois and Nasser were placed close (and provided links showing they were placed next to each other) at two shows in 97.  However your further implied I should provide proof in terms of score-cards for 94.

[bigbobs]

It didn't have a competitive line-up?  Flex , Clairmonte , Munzer , Mike and Labrada all in awesome shape , LMFAO

some how Nasser was better despite not daring to enter the Arnold . we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.

Three of the top four at the 95 NOC (Nasser, Taylor, and Cormier) beat every competitor from the 95 AC who competed at the Olympia the same year. 

Yup I made a mistake earlier when i said all four placed ahead of the AC competitors, but still...3 out of the top 4 at the NOC beating each AC competitor tells you the AC was not as competitive as the NOC that year despite the former having greater prize money.  Nasser would have destroyed the 95 AC lineup if he had entered that show!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I said Nasser and Francois were close at the 94 NOC based on the fact that they were placed next to each other, you argued that similarly Francois and Nasser were placed close (and provided links showing they were placed next to each other) at two shows in 97.  However your further implied I should provide proof in terms of score-cards for 94.

94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser

Bullshit , this is your claim. Now you're claiming they were close  NO you claimed he was barely awarded the contest , prove this claim ( I know you can't )

Again you claimed from 95 on Mike never came close to Nasser , again I prove you flat-out wrong because in 97 he was one placement behind Nasser on two separate occasions ( I never once claimed he did it ' just barely '

[bigbobs]

94 NOC judges barely awarded Francois over Nasser

Bullshit , this is your claim. Now you're claiming they were close  NO you claimed he was barely awarded the contest , prove this claim ( I know you can't )

Again you claimed from 95 on Mike never came close to Nasser , again I prove you flat-out wrong because in 97 he was one placement behind Nasser on two separate occasions ( I never once claimed he did it ' just barely '

Just barely = close lol, same thing.  I bet if you didn't argue semantics so much the Ronnie/Dorian thread would have been one-third the size  

[NarcissisticDeity]

Three of the top four at the 95 NOC (Nasser, Taylor, and Cormier) beat every competitor from the 95 AC who competed at the Olympia the same year. 

Yup I made a mistake earlier when i said all four placed ahead of the AC competitors, but still...3 out of the top 4 at the NOC beating each AC competitor tells you the AC was not as competitive as the NOC that year despite the former having greater prize money.  Nasser would have destroyed the 95 AC lineup if he had entered that show!

Three of the top four at the 95 NOC (Nasser, Taylor, and Cormier) beat every competitor from the 95 AC who competed at the Olympia the same year. 

That has nothing to do with the 95 Arnold Classic and if it was a competitive line-up , absolutely NOTHING , the top 5 were all in fantastic shape and all capable of wining the contest to claim otherwise is laughable

[bigbobs]

That has nothing to do with the 95 Arnold Classic and if it was a competitive line-up , absolutely NOTHING , the top 5 were all in fantastic shape and all capable of wining the contest to claim otherwise is laughable

Oh yeah so they all mysteriously could not peak twice in the same year yet the NOC competitors coincidentally could lol, has nothing to do with the NOC lineup simply being better in 95 than the AC lineup 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Just barely = close lol, same thing.  I bet if you didn't argue semantics so much the Ronnie/Dorian thread would have been one-third the size  

No it doesn't , you're the one playing with words because you were called out on them

So now according to your logic , Flex 1993 was just as close to Dorian at the Olympia that he was to Ronnie in 1998 because they both were second  Dorian 93 was eons better than Flex , Shawn and everone else

so according to you straight firsts is the same as winning by 3 points  LMFAO

[bigbobs]

No it doesn't , you're the one playing with words because you were called out on them

So now according to your logic , Flex 1993 was just as close to Dorian at the Olympia that he was to Ronnie in 1998 because they both were second  Dorian 93 was eons better than Flex , Shawn and everone else

so according to you straight firsts is the same as winning by 3 points  LMFAO

You haven't provided score-cards for the shows you used as examples, neither have I.  I used the words "just barely" because it was a second place vs. first place show and the pictures show it was a close show.  The wording in my post had nothing to do with score-cards as I haven't seen them myself.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh yeah so they all mysteriously could not peak twice in the same year yet the NOC competitors coincidentally could lol, has nothing to do with the NOC lineup simply being better in 95 than the AC lineup 

You said the 95 Arnold competitors were that great of a line-up which is bullshit , most were in great shape but you are looking to claim some victory by proxy for Nasser because he beat so-and-so at this contest 

How would have Nasser placed at the 95 Arnold? we don't know he didn't enter , I think he would have been right there at the top but please stop acting like Nasser was Dorian and NO ONE had a chance of winning if he entered the contest

[NarcissisticDeity]

You haven't provided score-cards for the shows you used as examples, neither have I.  I used the words "just barely" because it was a second place vs. first place show and the pictures show it was a close show.  The wording in my post had nothing to do with score-cards as I haven't seen them myself.

I don't have to. I never said Nasser just barely beat Mike in 1997 

Again according to you Flex was just as close to Dorian in 93 than he was to Ronnie in 1998  that straight firsts and 3 points are actually the same

You asked to provide proof Mike came close to Nasser from 95 on ward and I did , I backed up my claim and as usual when pushed on yours , you come up empty as usual 

[bigbobs]

You said the 95 Arnold competitors were that great of a line-up which is bullshit , most were in great shape but you are looking to claim some victory by proxy for Nasser because he beat so-and-so at this contest 

How would have Nasser placed at the 95 Arnold? we don't know he didn't enter , I think he would have been right there at the top but please stop acting like Nasser was Dorian and NO ONE had a chance of winning if he entered the contest

Obviously every pro show has a great lineup, it's all relative.  My point was that the 95 NOC lineup IMO was a tougher to beat than the 95 AC lineup, and for support I showed that the 3 of the top 4 of the 95 NOC lineup beat everyone from the 95 AC who entered the Olympia later the same year.  Of course no one can say for certainty who would win what show if they did not enter it, but the fact I just presented does give a good hint

[the_swami]

great pics sherief of Nasser clearly killing Mike

the only pose where Mike shades Nasser is the BDB- because mike is a tad harder and seperated in the upper back than Nasser
but also note Nasser's glutes and hamstrings kill Mike in that pose

so Nasser winning 7of 8 compulsories easily and Mike barely winning the BDB

Nasser >>>>>>>. Mike