Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser

[NarcissisticDeity]

You've said many times before that shows are not judged based on a break-down of each mandatory pose

Based on the facts I've said numerous times - that shortly after the 95 AC Francois lost by far (7th vs. 3rd) to Nasser at the 95 Olympia, and lost to Nasser in several shows thereafter - I find it highly unplausible that 95 AC Francois woudl stand a chance against Nasser.  Even Nasser aside, but none of the 95 AC lineup who Francois beat were able to beat the 95 NOC top 3 (Nasser, Taylor and Cormier) at the Olympia the same year - shows that the 95 AC lineup was not particularly competitive that year.

I always said shows aren't won on parts but poses And who beats whom in the most mandatory poses wins the contest. Mike at the 95 Arnold would destroy ANY version of Nasser from the back , his subsequent placings have nothing to do with that. The same way I can say Nasser 95 Houston pro would beat almost anyone in the ab thigh ( sans Dorian ) despite how shitty he looked towards the end of career

[The_Hammer]

NASSER





FRANCOIS

[bigbobs]

I always said shows aren't won on parts but poses And who beats whom in the most mandatory poses wins the contest. Mike at the 95 Arnold would destroy ANY version of Nasser from the back , his subsequent placings have nothing to do with that. The same way I can say Nasser 95 Houston pro would beat almost anyone in the ab thigh ( sans Dorian ) despite how shitty he looked towards the end of career

There are others who beat Nasser from the back as well but wasn't enough to beat Nasser overall. 

However, with Francois' 95 Olympia placing of 7th vs. Nasser's 3rd it's an uphill arguement for anyone suggesting the 95 AC Francois (presented in the same year as the 95 O) would not lose to Nasser. 

[HTexan]

All pros were better than Nasser tho

[bigbobs]

All pros were better than Nasser tho

lol your trolling attempts would be better if more subtle.

[Palpatine Q]

There are others who beat Nasser from the back as well but wasn't enough to beat Nasser overall. 

However, with Francois' 95 Olympia placing of 7th vs. Nasser's 3rd it's an uphill arguement for anyone suggesting the 95 AC Francois (presented in the same year as the 95 O) would not lose to Nasser. 

One contest showing is completely independent of the other...it's NOT  how they looked that "year" ..it's the day of the contest, these guys bodies change by the hour. and on that DAY Francois best showing destroys anything Nasser ever offered.

Like you LOVE to say ...."AT THEIR BEST..WHO WAS BETTER" 

Francois by a mile.

I ove how you completely flip flop yoyr view point, when it's Levrone vs. Nasser.you say "Never mind who had the better career of top placings...who was better at their absolute best ?"

Now it's Francois vs Nasser and it's "yeah , but Nasser had a better career of top Placings."

[bigbobs]

One contest showing is completely independent of the other...it's NOT  how they looked that "year" ..it's the day of the contest, these guys bodies change by the hour. and on that DAY Francois best showing destroys anything Nasser ever offered.

Like you LOVE to say ...."AT THEIR BEST..WHO WAS BETTER"  

Francois by a mile.

I ove how you completely flip flop yoyr view point, when it's Levrone vs. Nasser.you say "Never mind who had the better career of top placings...who was better at their absolute best ?"

Now it's Francois vs Nasser and it's "yeah , but Nasser had a better career of top Placings."

Touche, similarly when it's Levrone vs. Nasser you argue who had a better overall career, who beat who more times, who had more top finishes, etc. but when it's Francois vs. Nasser you argue who YOU THINK looked best between 95 AC Francois vs another version of Nasser.

Yes, physiques change show by show, but highly unlikley that Francois dropped leaps and bounds from 95 AC to 95 Olympia such that his 95 AC performance would have earned him a 2nd or 3rd place finish in 95 instead of 7th.

Especially since sometimes you guys argue that Francois was improving and his career was stopped short due to sickness, now the argument is that he peaked early in his career (95 AC) then started to go downhill.

The pics from 94 show it was pretty close, and from 94-95 Nasser transformed a lot more than Francois.  Everyone was talking of Nasser's transformation from 94 to 95, not Francois'.

[Palpatine Q]

Touche, similarly when it's Levrone vs. Nasser you argue who had a better overall career, who beat who more times, who had more top finishes, etc. but when it's Francois vs. Nasser you argue who YOU THINK looked best between 95 AC Francois vs another version of Nasser.

Yes, physiques change show by show, but highly unlikley that Francois dropped leaps and bounds from 95 AC to 95 Olympia such that his 95 AC performance would have earned him a 2nd or 3rd place finish in 95 instead of 7th.

Especially since sometimes you guys argue that Francois was improving and his career was stopped short due to sickness, now the argument is that he peaked early in his career (95 AC) then started to go downhill.

The pics from 94 show it was pretty close, and from 94-95 Nasser transformed a lot more than Francois.  Everyone was talking of Nasser's transformation from 94 to 95, not Francois'.

Nice try, but i also think Levrone looked better at his best  

and that's just nonsense, you can finish first in one show  and dead last the next, these aren't rollover minutes

[bigbobs]

Nice try, but i also think Levrone looked better at his best  

and that's just nonsense, you can finish first in one show  and dead last the next, these aren't rollover minutes

Technically anything is possible, but some things are highly unlikely. 

I didn't see night and day difference in photos from Francois' 95 AC vs. Olympia performance - and he would need a night and day difference to get top 3 vs. 7th.

[Palpatine Q]

Technically anything is possible, but some things are highly unlikely. 

I didn't see night and day difference in photos from Francois' 95 AC vs. Olympia performance - and he would need a night and day difference to get top 3 vs. 7th.

No he wouldn't ,,, it's a different show, and the Arnold classic is one the the better judged shows, Politics and "name" are more prevalent at the Olympia

But i see what you tried to do there 

[HTexan]

lol your trolling attempts would be better if more subtle.

its the truth, no need to be subtle about it.

[Sherief Shalaby]

That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked

Nasser was NEVER a threat to Dorian ever , maybe in 98 when Dorian retired he stood the best chance he ever had to win the contest but as usual he failed to more superior bodybuilders.

Again I don't care about Mike V Nasser and haven't given it much thought , and after a quick analysis  it obvious Mike would wipe the floor with Nasser from the back and Nasser would return the favor from the front , both were good bodybuilders and you're right Mike had many shots at Nasser and failed but then again he got sick too

why dont you care about mike vs nasser??.. you have nothing to do and you are a bb fan who posts here all the time.. why you cared about dorian vs nasser and levrone vs nasser and flex vs nasser and ray vs nasser and mr. X vs nasser but dont care about mike vs nasser??.. doesnt this tell you something??.. you always care about any comparison between anyone vs nasser so for sure you avoided it this time for a certain reason.. enough said

[Sherief Shalaby]

Stop deflecting.

Shawn Ray DID have weak points.  He wasn't big enough.  Case in point:



DOES TEAM NASSER THINK NASSER HAD ANY WEAK POINTS?

lol but pound for pound ray was not small at all.. anyway forget about ray.. so you think anyone with no weak points can beat anyone with weak points??.. so why do you think ronnie was always beating jay although at his best jay had no clear weak points while ronnie has many??.. or i will make it related to mike again,.. do you think mike's version of AC 95 which is according to you flawless could beat dorian at mr. olympia 95 although dorian had one clear weak part (his torn bicep)??..

you know nothing in bb to say this really!!.. it's always the overall package kid!!..

[Palpatine Q]

why dont you care about mike vs nasser??.. you have nothing to do and you are a bb fan who posts here all the time.. why you cared about dorian vs nasser and levrone vs nasser and flex vs nasser and ray vs nasser and mr. X vs nasser but dont care about mike vs nasser??.. doesnt this tell you something??.. you always care about any comparison between anyone vs nasser so for sure you avoided it this time for a certain reason.. enough said

I'd love to know what the reason is


this should be interesting 

[Sherief Shalaby]

There are others who beat Nasser from the back as well but wasn't enough to beat Nasser overall. 

However, with Francois' 95 Olympia placing of 7th vs. Nasser's 3rd it's an uphill arguement for anyone suggesting the 95 AC Francois (presented in the same year as the 95 O) would not lose to Nasser. 

it's funny that when we were saying nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way dorian was better than him from the back the parrot was saying that we didnt know how contests were judged and it was not as simple as back vs. front but here you see him saying nasser was better from the front but mike was better from the back .. at least try ti make some sense!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

No he wouldn't ,,, it's a different show, and the Arnold classic is one the the better judged shows, Politics and "name" are more prevalent at the Olympia

But i see what you tried to do there 

according to the great source flex magazine they saw aron paker who came 9th better than wheeler and mike who came in 8th and 7th

[Sherief Shalaby]

I'd love to know what the reason is


this should be interesting 

the reason is that the parrot always cares when it comes to other top pros who beat nasser many times so when you show him how nasser was better at his best he brings to you their placings comparison to help him.. but in mike's case he didnt beat nasser except one time and he even didnt deserve it.. while nasser beat him so many times.. so he "ND" cares only when the opponent of nasser is one of the very best.. for example when comparing levrone to nasser i personally see nasser's best better but still i can understand those who see levrone better at his best because they were very close.. but mike was a totally different story.. i like his physique and all but i dont think he had a chance against the very top pros of the 90s at their best..

at his very best his 2 rear poses were great but when he was not at this best even when he was not off his back poses were good but nothing special.. the rest of his poses were ok but again nothing special.. none of his poses was the best ever or one of the best ever while many of nasser's poses were the best ever or among the best ever.. nasser's MM, FR, FDB, and, A&T were all among the best ever and it's very rare to find another bb in the history like this!!..

seriously they were not even close..

[apply85]

if it wasnt for seo, nasser would not even step onto the olympia stage. francois destroys him

[bigbobs]

No he wouldn't ,,, it's a different show, and the Arnold classic is one the the better judged shows, Politics and "name" are more prevalent at the Olympia

But i see what you tried to do there 

If politics and name are more prevalent at the Olympia its all the more advantage that Francois had over Nasser at the 95 Olympia!  Francois at this point was winning all of his pro-shows, whereas Nasser's first win was only earlier in the year and at what was considered to be lesser shows (95 Houston and 95 NOC are considered lesser shows than the Arnold Classic which Francois one).  So greater name Francois had established he still lost decisively in a show where you just claimed name is important - must mean the gap between their physiques was even wider than what would be expected from a 7th vs. 3rd placing 

[bigbobs]

it's funny that when we were saying nasser was better than dorian from the front the same way dorian was better than him from the back the parrot was saying that we didnt know how contests were judged and it was not as simple as back vs. front but here you see him saying nasser was better from the front but mike was better from the back .. at least try ti make some sense!!..

Exactly, ND does have his biases and his favourite bb's just like most others but he tries to act as though he does not. 

[The_Hammer]

lol but pound for pound ray was not small at all.. anyway forget about ray.. so you think anyone with no weak points can beat anyone with weak points??.. so why do you think ronnie was always beating jay although at his best jay had no clear weak points while ronnie has many??.. or i will make it related to mike again,.. do you think mike's version of AC 95 which is according to you flawless could beat dorian at mr. olympia 95 although dorian had one clear weak part (his torn bicep)??..

you know nothing in bb to say this really!!.. it's always the overall package kid!!..

-Just quoting ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER kid!!..

I think he knows alittle bit more about bodybuilding than you.

1:40

-Could Mike at his best have beaten Dorian? Quite certainly.  If Mike came into the '97 Olympia looking like he did at the '95 Arnold he would've beaten Dorian.

Why?, because Mike had a balanced, conditioned physique with a BACK.

Nasser at his best ('97 O), looked good from the front (although Dorian had much better conditioning) but he was incredibly weak from the back.  He was half a bodybuilder.

[bigbobs]

-Could Mike at his best have beaten Dorian? Quite certainly.  If Mike came into the '97 Olympia looking like he did at the '95 Arnold he would've beaten Dorian.

Why?, because Mike had a balanced, conditioned physique with a BACK.

Nasser at his best ('97 O), looked good from the front (although Dorian had much better conditioning) but he was incredibly weak from the back.  He was half a bodybuilder.

Lots of ifs ands and buts in the Hammer's quote - fact is Francois had many chances against Nasser but was only able to beat him once before Nasser mutated in 95.  After that it was simply game over for Francois!

[Figo]

Francois never showed his true potential, he couldve probably competed at 260

Would always be outsized by a larger nasser, taller, larger individual,

But a ripped 250-260 lbs vs 280 prime nasser , I would personally edge francois

[bigbobs]

Francois never showed his true potential, he couldve probably competed at 260

Would always be outsized by a larger nasser, taller, larger individual,

But a ripped 250-260 lbs vs 280 prime nasser , I would personally edge francois

How do you know he never showed his true potential? 

Here we have several fans saying his best was the 95 AC, which makes his career sound like a typical bodybuilder life-cycle - he improved from his first pro show, peaked at the 95 AC, and from there did not reproduce the same form again, finally (was it in 97?) he got sick and called it quits.  If he went downhill from the 95 AC, why do you believe he still had more unseen potential?

[NarcissisticDeity]

why dont you care about mike vs nasser??.. you have nothing to do and you are a bb fan who posts here all the time.. why you cared about dorian vs nasser and levrone vs nasser and flex vs nasser and ray vs nasser and mr. X vs nasser but dont care about mike vs nasser??.. doesnt this tell you something??.. you always care about any comparison between anyone vs nasser so for sure you avoided it this time for a certain reason.. enough said

Because Mike is closer to Nasser than , Levrone , Flex and Dorian were all of these guys were eons better than Nasser

I just like reminding Nasser fanboys that he was NOT anywhere near as good as they pretend he was. I didn't avoid anything I already said Mike outclasses Nasser from the back with ease , from the front Nasser stands a chance from the sides it would be hard to tell unless they were side-by-side