Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser also had a few medical setbacks during his career but continued competing on (he describes them in his bb.com interviews) - we can similarly speculate "what would have happened had Nasser not had any setbacks, maybe he could have gained another 20 lbs and been harder, etc) but we don't, therefore I don't understand why there's so much speculation and "what if's" surrounding Francois only.

We know for a fact Nasser never improved on his weak back and his conditioning from the back sucked with the more weight he put on , we don't have to speculate on that

Mike competed only for a few years , he was improving until he got sick and could have been a legitimate contender for Mr Olympia ( unlike Nasser who never really was ) he started in 94 and ended in 97 and he was improving it's never safe to we never really seen the best Mike could have been

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We know for a fact Nasser never improved on his weak back and his conditioning from the back sucked with the more weight he put on , we don't have to speculate on that

Mike competed only for a few years , he was improving until he got sick and could have been a legitimate contender for Mr Olympia ( unlike Nasser who never really was ) he started in 94 and ended in 97 and he was improving it's never safe to we never really seen the best Mike could have been

Improving from 94 to 97 yet you said yourself in this thread that 95 AC was his best performance?  So how are the shows susequent to 95 AC an improvement? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

as i said before how are you so sure mike never fulfilled his potential??.. it's all guessing and cant be taken seriously.. a lot of top pros presented their very best very early in their careers and couldnt repeat the same shape again although they continues to compete many years after this!!.. flex at the AC 93,.. levrone at the olympia 92,.. dillett in 94.. even imo nasser's best was at the NOC 95!!.. so if it's a guessing why dont you guess mike would have not surpassed his ac 95 shape??.. i am not confirming he would have or not but i am saying no body knows!!..

It's easy to say Mike never fulfilled his potential , he competed as a pro for 4 fucking years and just 9 contests any moron can see he was improving , compared to Nasser who started competing in 1990 and stopped in 2005 , that's 16 years and he competed in 53 contests ! Mike placed 3rd twice at the twilight of his career , he was still competitive , Nasser on contrast on the tail end of his career was 14th and 15th places

Flex was a career best ever at the 93 ASC , he was outstanding in 93 Ironman and Olympia . however he was still winning contests late in his career he looked amazing at the 98 Arnold Classic , and at the Olympia he was still competitive until he got sick

And Levrone's best wasn't the 92 Olympia he still had no back , Kevin looked outstanding at the 94/95 Olympias and what I think is his best ever in 97 Finland ( easily ) and Dillett was always hit or miss , Shawn turned pro in 1988 and looked his best in 94 and 96

Again Mike only competed for 4 years with just 9 fucking contests ! Nasser did that many in 1997 alone ! , he was improving and we never seen the I think a career best Mike Francois

[NarcissisticDeity]

Improving from 94 to 97 yet you said yourself in this thread that 95 AC was his best performance?  So how are the shows susequent to 95 AC an improvement? 

Working on weak points , improving his physique his back while dense and well defined lagged behind his lower body , he brought that up made it wider as well. Just because he didn't nail it every contest doesn't mean he wasn't improving.

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Working on weak points , improving his physique his back while dense and well defined lagged behind his lower body , he brought that up made it wider as well. Just because he didn't nail it every contest doesn't mean he wasn't improving.

What I'm saying is YOU just claimed that Mike Francois was improving until he got sick in 97, yet earlier you said Francois' best was 95 AC, so how can it be that he was improving over the years till 97 when his best showing was 2 years earlier?  I don't think he was improving befor ehe got sick and therefore I see no reason to believe he didnt reach his potential.

Regarding nasser I think his best was 95 Houston to 99 AC - hard to pinpoint which show exactly was his best showing but I dont think it woudl be 97 Olympia even though he placed 2nd that year.  I think 96 Olympia or 96 Grand Prix shows were his best.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What I'm saying is YOU just claimed that Mike Francois was improving until he got sick in 97, yet earlier you said Francois' best was 95 AC, so how can it be that he was improving over the years till 97 when his best showing was 2 years earlier?  I don't think he was improving befor ehe got sick and therefore I see no reason to believe he didnt reach his potential.

Regarding nasser I think his best was 95 Houston to 99 AC - hard to pinpoint which show exactly was his best showing but I dont think it woudl be 97 Olympia even though he placed 2nd that year.  I think 96 Olympia or 96 Grand Prix shows were his best.

I just explained to you how he was improving , refining his physique , balancing it out , etc . I think his best contest showing was the 95 Arnold Classic it doesn't mean he couldn't surpass that in subsequent years and maybe the reason he wasn't improving in 96/97 was because he was sick? again 9 contests in his entire career there is no way on earth you can say he reached his absolute best or didn't have room to improve , hell Ronnie and Jay didn't hit their strides until late into their careers

I think Nasser looked his absolute best at the 95 Houston , 268lbs and hard as nails even his back was good , past 95 his back disappeared and his conditioning ( particularly from the back ) started to wain.

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I just explained to you how he was improving , refining his physique , balancing it out , etc . I think his best contest showing was the 95 Arnold Classic it doesn't mean he couldn't surpass that in subsequent years and maybe the reason he wasn't improving in 96/97 was because he was sick? again 9 contests in his entire career there is no way on earth you can say he reached his absolute best or didn't have room to improve , hell Ronnie and Jay didn't hit their strides until late into their careers

I think Nasser looked his absolute best at the 95 Houston , 268lbs and hard as nails even his back was good , past 95 his back disappeared and his conditioning ( particularly from the back ) started to wain.

How many contests did he enter after the 95 AC?  I think six over two years?  If he had more potential I think it's likely he would have displayed it in one of those shows, it's not as though his career came to a sudden end after the 95 AC.  He had many chances, and I believe he did not get sick until 97?

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[Sherief Shalaby]

They look pretty close and the pics aren't really that great , if I had watched the video it would be easier to form a better opinion.

oh ya may be you want to say that like dorian mike was 3 dimensional and must be seen in reality to see his greatness

[Sherief Shalaby]

LMFAO I hope you're joking that Nasser would beat Phil Heath? and that version of Mike maybe Nasser would beat but he isn't even a pro and looks comparable

why didnt you tell the guy who posted the video of mike and said it would destroy phil "i hope you are joking"??.. you are telling me this because i said nasser would destroy phil, while you yourself said that may be this version of nasser would beat this version of mike

and yes i was joking,.. sure nasser IMO had a much better overall shape, size, and, structure and was harder than phil but phil's back is much better.. so i can confirm unless i see them both at their best on the same stage.. and it wont be easy for phil as nasser was better in many poses..

[Sherief Shalaby]

We know for a fact Nasser never improved on his weak back and his conditioning from the back sucked with the more weight he put on , we don't have to speculate on that

Mike competed only for a few years , he was improving until he got sick and could have been a legitimate contender for Mr Olympia ( unlike Nasser who never really was ) he started in 94 and ended in 97 and he was improving it's never safe to we never really seen the best Mike could have been

you are wrong as always.. mike reached his best in 95 so how to say he was improving until he got sick (in 1997)!!!.. why didnt he improve again in 96 and in 97 before the day he got his sickness

[Palpatine Q]

If politics and name are more prevalent at the Olympia its all the more advantage that Francois had over Nasser at the 95 Olympia!  Francois at this point was winning all of his pro-shows, whereas Nasser's first win was only earlier in the year and at what was considered to be lesser shows (95 Houston and 95 NOC are considered lesser shows than the Arnold Classic which Francois one).  So greater name Francois had established he still lost decisively in a show where you just claimed name is important - must mean the gap between their physiques was even wider than what would be expected from a 7th vs. 3rd placing 

that's retarded, hope this helps.

Mike was off. Nasser was on...were you even following bodybuilding back then ?

everybody was talking about how flat Francois was at that show, he missed badly. Nasser nailed it.  Name is prevalent at the O in the fact that the top guys are almost pre-oredained .....Neither Nasser or Mike were considered superstars back then, they were both fairly new

[Sherief Shalaby]

It's easy to say Mike never fulfilled his potential , he competed as a pro for 4 fucking years and just 9 contests any moron can see he was improving , compared to Nasser who started competing in 1990 and stopped in 2005 , that's 16 years and he competed in 53 contests ! Mike placed 3rd twice at the twilight of his career , he was still competitive , Nasser on contrast on the tail end of his career was 14th and 15th places

Flex was a career best ever at the 93 ASC , he was outstanding in 93 Ironman and Olympia . however he was still winning contests late in his career he looked amazing at the 98 Arnold Classic , and at the Olympia he was still competitive until he got sick

And Levrone's best wasn't the 92 Olympia he still had no back , Kevin looked outstanding at the 94/95 Olympias and what I think is his best ever in 97 Finland ( easily ) and Dillett was always hit or miss , Shawn turned pro in 1988 and looked his best in 94 and 96

Again Mike only competed for 4 years with just 9 fucking contests ! Nasser did that many in 1997 alone ! , he was improving and we never seen the I think a career best Mike Francois

ok...

if we saw mike at the same condition of AC 95 but at 280 pounds he would have been mr. olympia..
if nasser had dorian's back he would have been mr. olympia 10 times..
if dorian didnt tear all his body he would have been nasser's runner up in these 10 years
if ronnie was white he would have been mr. olympia for 20 times..
if dillett was training harder and posing better he would have been a top 3 at the olympia..
if ND was not a lover of dorian dick he wouldnt have seen him deserving to win in 97 with one missing arm and pregnant belly..

as you notice the keyword here is if.. and in mike's case it's all guessing and not a sure thing at all.. i personally GUESS it was not easy for him to come at his best condition at a bigger size!!..

[Palpatine Q]

Blah Blah Blah....He was better than Nasser. he had a better look, he was rounder, his head was normal sized. he had a more refined and detailed physique.

Nasser was a blob of meat...poor shape, very little detail, and his head was too big

[gh15]

there was never! a better bodybuild than beautiful man with glases when it comes to the size and condition game combo ,, no one ever looked as good in the 280s NO ONE,, not even ron colman ,, ron colman was more MUSCULAR freakier that was the reason he went on top,, his muscle shapes were freaky out of this world

but! no one ever look as good as beautiful man with glases in ther 280s ,,no one will ever either

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[apply85]

^^^ somebody been drinking the funny pineapple juice

[Palpatine Q]

there was never! a better bodybuild than beautiful man with glases when it comes to the size and condition game combo ,, no one ever looked as good in the 280s NO ONE,, not even ron colman ,, ron colman was more MUSCULAR freakier that was the reason he went on top,, his muscle shapes were freaky out of this world

but! no one ever look as good as beautiful man with glases in ther 280s ,,no one will ever either

gh15 approved

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[NeilGM]

Some people are very confident about themselves ha

[gh15]

^^^ somebody been drinking the funny pineapple juice

4 cans and going 

gh15 approved

[apply85]

probably not fresh, make u hallucinate that beautiful man with glasses was the best

btw, on your new website, will there be a shrine to nasser the greatest?

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh ya may be you want to say that like dorian mike was 3 dimensional and must be seen in reality to see his greatness

Awww didn't get the answer you wanted so you make things up instead? You see Nasser as a clear winner and he simply wasn't you guys often see him as more than he was and are always making excuses for why he wasn't , nothing new.

I said they look pretty close , that's as honest an answer as I can give you should try it some times 

[NarcissisticDeity]

why didnt you tell the guy who posted the video of mike and said it would destroy phil "i hope you are joking"??.. you are telling me this because i said nasser would destroy phil, while you yourself said that may be this version of nasser would beat this version of mike

and yes i was joking,.. sure nasser IMO had a much better overall shape, size, and, structure and was harder than phil but phil's back is much better.. so i can confirm unless i see them both at their best on the same stage.. and it wont be easy for phil as nasser was better in many poses..

Because he's not as delusional as the ' Nasser is at least three times uncrowned Mr Olympia ' that's why. Because you guys are dumb enough to actually believe really moronic things like Nasser was really close to beating Dorian so it's not out of the question to believe you guys actually think this

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are wrong as always.. mike reached his best in 95 so how to say he was improving until he got sick (in 1997)!!!.. why didnt he improve again in 96 and in 97 before the day he got his sickness

Lets entertain 95 Arnold was his best , he would still beat Nasser and just because he never quite matched this shape again doesn't mean he wasn't improving. So either way you're fucked he placed 3rd behind Nasser twice in 97 right before he got sick he was still competitive even though he got sick , again you have to factor in he only competed 9 times in 4 years and that's it

Mike's problem was nailing his conditioning and when he did that he won. This would wipe the floor with Nasser with ease and I mean any version of Nasser

[NarcissisticDeity]

ok...

if we saw mike at the same condition of AC 95 but at 280 pounds he would have been mr. olympia..
if nasser had dorian's back he would have been mr. olympia 10 times..
if dorian didnt tear all his body he would have been nasser's runner up in these 10 years
if ronnie was white he would have been mr. olympia for 20 times..
if dillett was training harder and posing better he would have been a top 3 at the olympia..
if ND was not a lover of dorian dick he wouldnt have seen him deserving to win in 97 with one missing arm and pregnant belly..

as you notice the keyword here is if.. and in mike's case it's all guessing and not a sure thing at all.. i personally GUESS it was not easy for him to come at his best condition at a bigger size!!..

Thanks for not addressing one single of my points and admitting you can't.  no the keyword is not ' if ' because I never used the word ' if ' in my explanations. All your points were addressed and explained and you realizing you have nothing intelligent to say type this fluff? 

You look stupid as usual because as usual you're in way over you head and looking for a way out. Try learning what you're talking about before you try and argue with people who do.