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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2012, 10:54:49 AM »
I'm not saying you NEED protein powder, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with it. Although gh15 just mentioned something about an estrogenic rise that doesn't go away. Hopefully someone can elaborate

I totally agree with you, I just don't think protein powder is worth the price when you could instead enjoy a tasty and affordable meal.

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2012, 10:54:57 AM »
i fotgot to mention importent detail ,, protien powdr intake will CREATE what i call as water retetnion and estrogenic rize in body that WILL NEVER EVER GO AWAY ,,you will have to fight very hard to get into contest shape after years of protien suplementation ,,

now you mark the minutes until danta and sons come here,, but this is nothing comparing to what waiting for them on the website,, their nightmare is about to hapen

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whats the reason for the bloat?

i saw many pros from nasser to ronnie using proteinpowders in contest prep

would they have been in better shape without the wheprotein?

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2012, 10:55:01 AM »
ISOLATE is somewhat good,but other whey is GARBAGE.You do not want to know it's provenience,what chemicals inside,colorants,sweeteners,lots of dirty stuff.We already got estrogens in most foods,no need to fuck your body completely.  :o

I really don't think they are much different to be honest. I've tried all kinds over the years. Never notice a thing from a difference perspective. The only time my blood work will be out of normal ranges is on certain AAS

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2012, 10:58:57 AM »
I totally agree with you, I just don't think protein powder is worth the price when you could instead enjoy a tasty and affordable meal.

I have to say I like it pre workout with oats. This has my been pre workout meal for years. quick digesting protein with slower digesting carbs. Yes probably 100% utter complete broscience. However, I feel good during my workouts doing this. Post I will usually do one scoop, 1 chicken breast, and either white rice or oats. Pre-bed I have 1 scoop casein and 1 scoop whey, but only because I hate cottage cheese. Otherwise, I love food. I just had a huge fried chicken, mac n cheese, and mashed potatoes for lunch today

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2012, 11:00:14 AM »
Pointless. You do not need it in the slightest, good quality whole foods are much better, you know what is in it for a start.. Liquids usually absorb quicker than solids on an empty digestive system, however the key word here is EMPTY. Now if you really think that chicken and rice you consumed 2-4 hours ago has been completely digested and all the nutrients used then your a fool. Your body will regulate the speed of its digestive system depending on its needs. So if you eat regular, all that bull shit of when you gulp down your shake 20 minutes later and you got 30-50g of "protein" from your shake fully digested into aminos ready to use is bulls shit. This is still swirling around in your stomach being trickled into your intestines behiind all your other meals. The fact the body cannot store amino acids therefore says something.. protein is used to repair existing cells and create new cells and substances such as hormones. Do you really think that in the time it takes to eat one shake and have another meal your body if it would of not had this would of loss 30-50g of its total mass?
As long as there is something in your intestines being digested that provides more calories than its taking to run your body at that given time your anabolic, if not and your exerting more calories than comming in your catabolic.

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2012, 11:01:28 AM »


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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2012, 11:01:34 AM »
I really don't think they are much different to be honest. I've tried all kinds over the years. Never notice a thing from a difference perspective. The only time my blood work will be out of normal ranges is on certain AAS

It is,believe.back a few years ago i was a natural truly believing in it,i got some whey from ON.Well it bloated me very nicely,lost definition,bigger waist for sure.Plus when i farted i could kill an army  :D I'll never buy whey or supps again,only roids and gh-one  8)
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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2012, 11:03:25 AM »
whats the reason for the bloat?

i saw many pros from nasser to ronnie using proteinpowders in contest prep

would they have been in better shape without the wheprotein?

you sure you saw us using protien powder in prep? you sure it was nto comercials with money behind it ,, or the way we make living aka sponsor..

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2012, 11:03:55 AM »
Pointless. You do not need it in the slightest, good quality whole foods are much better, you know what is in it for a start.. Liquids usually absorb quicker than solids on an empty digestive system, however the key word here is EMPTY. Now if you really think that chicken and rice you consumed 2-4 hours ago has been completely digested and all the nutrients used then your a fool. Your body will regulate the speed of its digestive system depending on its needs. So if you eat regular, all that bull shit of when you gulp down your shake 20 minutes later and you got 30-50g of "protein" from your shake fully digested into aminos ready to use is bulls shit. This is still swirling around in your stomach being trickled into your intestines behiind all your other meals. The fact the body cannot store amino acids therefore says something.. protein is used to repair existing cells and create new cells and substances such as hormones. Do you really think that in the time it takes to eat one shake and have another meal your body if it would of not had this would of loss 30-50g of its total mass?
As long as there is something in your intestines being digested that provides more calories than its taking to run your body at that given time your anabolic, if not and your exerting more calories than comming in your catabolic.

i don t think so, because at certain times it s hard to get 80 gramms of protein from natural foods without any fat or carbs when dieting, also it s impossible to get it with naural fodds without loading the digestion process much more than using powders

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2012, 11:05:09 AM »
useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
well i felt shitty on shakes.... and held more water...
mass wise it does not make a difference i agree...
but imo real food is far better.....
and you can do just fine without shakes.... this whole protein hysteria is bullshit anyway...
get in enough but 300/400 grams a day is just ridiculous.. i maybe get in 150 grams a day...
and i am doing just fine....
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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #60 on: January 05, 2012, 11:05:18 AM »
whats the reason for the bloat?

i saw many pros from nasser to ronnie using proteinpowders in contest prep

would they have been in better shape without the wheprotein?

Try sponsership deal... this mean they must be seen to be using it! When they off camera they eating a Big Mac

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #61 on: January 05, 2012, 11:06:58 AM »
i don t think so, because at certain times it s hard to get 80 gramms of protein from natural foods without any fat or carbs when dieting, also it s impossible to get it with naural fodds without loading the digestion process much more than using powders

80 grams in one go? Ha are you mad! How many meals you eating a day?

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #63 on: January 05, 2012, 11:08:50 AM »
you sure you saw us using protien powder in prep? you sure it was nto comercials with money behind it ,, or the way we make living aka sponsor..

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no

i know many  telling same storie as you did, never herad the estrogen version but many times the sweeteners , the synthetic vitamines....make the bloat
that may be plausible !

old school, you know?

didn t Bernd  told you his consperacy theories about supps?
 already in erly 90s
but also there are many competitive bodybuilders and also pros using whey isolate to get high protein without low carb

no commercial lol


and please answer my question

HOW DOES WHEYISOLATE cause higher estrogen levels?




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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2012, 11:08:53 AM »
I believe Kyomu said before he eats/drinks 400 grams of protein a day when dieting (naturally) for a show, on Paco's advice?  That's over 2 grams per lb bodyweight.  If he reads this may be he can explain his thoughts on protein intake.

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2012, 11:12:19 AM »
no

i know many  telling same storie as you did, never herad the estrogen version but many times the sweeteners , the synthetic vitamines....make the bloat
that may be plausible !

old school, you know?

didn t Bernd  told you his consperacy theories about supps?

but also there are many competitive bodybuilders and also pros using whey isolate to get high protein without low carb

no commercial lol


and please answer my question

HOW DOES WHEYISOLATE cause higher estrogen levels?





pizza causes way more bloat than whey protein. just saying

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2012, 11:13:52 AM »
pizza causes way more bloat than whey protein. just saying

does sodium also increase estrogen levels?  ::)


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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2012, 11:14:01 AM »
I have to say I like it pre workout with oats. This has my been pre workout meal for years. quick digesting protein with slower digesting carbs. Yes probably 100% utter complete broscience. However, I feel good during my workouts doing this.
I do the same thing.  Before working out I'll have either corn flakes or oatmeal with a scoop whey protien.  For post workout I'll have eggwhites, w/a whole egg mixed in milk.  I used to drink whey protein right after working out and it used to make me feel bloated.  

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2012, 11:16:18 AM »
80 grams in one go? Ha are you mad! How many meals you eating a day?

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2012, 11:16:22 AM »
I do the same thing.  Before working out I'll have either corn flakes or oatmeal with a scoop whey protien.  For post workout I'll have eggwhites, w/a whole egg mixed in milk.  I used to drink whey protein right after working out and it used to make me feel bloated.  

I still do sometimes. Yea I know it's not necessary or whatever but it's not like it hurts either.

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2012, 11:20:09 AM »
Lot of bro science again:

Whey protein has a better bio-availability.

Whey protein has a better amino acid composition.

Bloating is due to allergies, mostly with whey concentrate or other impure forms.

Protein is protein, carbs are carbs and fats are fats. (body composition-wise, health evidence not conclusive)

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2012, 11:25:16 AM »
your mom has a good composition

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« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2012, 11:25:45 AM »
  I think it has its place if you get it CHEAP and its cheaper then whole food sources. I dont think you need mega dose protein. If your short and dont carry much body weight you probaly can do with out. If you want whey go to walmart get 2lbs for 15. Being tall I feel I do better on 300grams or so a day so in my situation it makes since to add 50-100grams. I use cottage cheese kinda like protein powder or eggs whites also. Just dont pay $10+  a lb at that price I agree with gh15 eggwhites are better and better all togther just cost more. Or even go to gnc when your at the mall and get the proteins that are about to expire they are good for yrs after exp date especialy if kept in climate control I get 10+ of isolate for 20 dollars sometimes from there.

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2012, 11:26:24 AM »
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So 400-480g of protein a day.. I really suggest you read up on "Deamination". I also suggest you read up on how the human body is composed.. I will give you a clue, 70% of it is water and in a healthy muscle roughly 20-22% of it is actual muscle protein which is made up of protein from amino acids.
So if all of the 480g of protein you consumed was fully digested and was soley used to build muscle in a day you would gain around 2.4kg (5.28lb) of muscle mass a day..we know this not to be the case, so you need to ask the question is all that protein being digested for a start and also how much is really needed to grow and maintain cells you already got..
Oh also look how much energy comes from 1g protein when it is used for energy (it is roughly the same as carbs - 4kcal)

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Re: The only thing GH15 is wrong about...
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2012, 11:27:16 AM »
Lot of bro science again:

Whey protein has a better bio-availability.

Whey protein has a better amino acid composition.

Bloating is due to allergies, mostly with whey concentrate or other impure forms.

Protein is protein, carbs are carbs and fats are fats. (body composition-wise, health evidence not conclusive)

yes .. but the problem is not the protein... its what they add with the product..
sweetners....and all of the additives...
and also most whey is cheap crap, impure like you said.
all of my bodybuilding friends, never ever use any shake 6 weeks out of competition... because you get less sharp... just a fact....
real food = best...
easy to get about 200 grams of protein from real food... and you do not need more then that....
unless you are megadosing hgh plus slin....
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