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Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 01/06/2012
White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers
By Ed O'Keefe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/white-house-proposes-05-percent-pay-increase-for-federal-workers/2012/01/06/gIQA18fyeP_blog.html?hpid=z1




(Andrew Harrer - Bloomberg) The White House will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees as part of its 2013 budget proposal, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the plans.

The modest cost of living increase in federal compensation would be the first pay jump for federal workers since before President Obama ordered a two-year freeze in late 2010.

The proposal, which requires congressional approval, differs from Republican plans supported by lawmakers and presidential candidates that would freeze federal compensation for at least one more year. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have called for extending the pay freeze as a way to pay for a payroll tax extension.

But, “a permanent pay freeze is not an acceptable policy,” one of the senior administration officials said Friday. “While modest, a .5 percent increase reflects the belt-tightening we must do in these difficult times.”

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The officials were unauthorized to speak publicly on the matter, but said that the White House notified agency budget offices about the decision Friday morning so that agencies could complete their 2013 budget requests.

No decision has been made yet on a potential pay raise for uniformed military personnel, the officials said Friday. The White House is expected to formally unveil its fiscal 2013 budget proposal in early February.

The proposal would save about $28 billion over the next decade and $2 billion in fiscal 2013 under the caps authorized by the budget control measures passed last summer, the officials said.

But the pay bump is well below the 3.6 percent cost of living adjustment that went into effect this week for Social Security and other benefits to keep pace with inflation. It is also far below private sector earnings, which climbed an average of 2.1 percent in 2011, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Federal worker union leaders voiced tepid support Friday.

“In a way I’m happy that the pay freeze is over, but of course the amount doesn’t make me yell and cheer,” said John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, the nation’s largest federal union.

“Clearly I don’t think it comes close to paying federal employees what they’re worth, but at the same time, it also breaks this terrible pay freeze that has been put on us and hopefully it will carry through, and we will avoid any pay freezes that might come from the payroll tax deduction negotiations.”

Gage said “a real threat” remains that Republicans will successfully enact a pay freeze as part of the payroll tax negotiations. AFGE and other unions have said Republicans should focus on raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans instead of federal employees, the vast majority of whom are middle-class wage earners.

Despite the small cost of living increase, raises for step increases and workers promoted to new positions would continue, as they have during the freeze.

The federal government employs roughly 2 million civilian federal employees, with about 85 percent living and working outside the Washington area.



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Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 01/06/2012
White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers
By Ed O'Keefe

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/white-house-proposes-05-percent-pay-increase-for-federal-workers/2012/01/06/gIQA18fyeP_blog.html?hpid=z1




(Andrew Harrer - Bloomberg) The White House will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees as part of its 2013 budget proposal, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the plans.

The modest cost of living increase in federal compensation would be the first pay jump for federal workers since before President Obama ordered a two-year freeze in late 2010.

The proposal, which requires congressional approval, differs from Republican plans supported by lawmakers and presidential candidates that would freeze federal compensation for at least one more year. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have called for extending the pay freeze as a way to pay for a payroll tax extension.

But, “a permanent pay freeze is not an acceptable policy,” one of the senior administration officials said Friday. “While modest, a .5 percent increase reflects the belt-tightening we must do in these difficult times.”

Poll: Do you approve of this potential pay increase for federal workers? Click here to vote.

The officials were unauthorized to speak publicly on the matter, but said that the White House notified agency budget offices about the decision Friday morning so that agencies could complete their 2013 budget requests.

No decision has been made yet on a potential pay raise for uniformed military personnel, the officials said Friday. The White House is expected to formally unveil its fiscal 2013 budget proposal in early February.

The proposal would save about $28 billion over the next decade and $2 billion in fiscal 2013 under the caps authorized by the budget control measures passed last summer, the officials said.

But the pay bump is well below the 3.6 percent cost of living adjustment that went into effect this week for Social Security and other benefits to keep pace with inflation. It is also far below private sector earnings, which climbed an average of 2.1 percent in 2011, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Federal worker union leaders voiced tepid support Friday.

“In a way I’m happy that the pay freeze is over, but of course the amount doesn’t make me yell and cheer,” said John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, the nation’s largest federal union.

“Clearly I don’t think it comes close to paying federal employees what they’re worth, but at the same time, it also breaks this terrible pay freeze that has been put on us and hopefully it will carry through, and we will avoid any pay freezes that might come from the payroll tax deduction negotiations.”

Gage said “a real threat” remains that Republicans will successfully enact a pay freeze as part of the payroll tax negotiations. AFGE and other unions have said Republicans should focus on raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans instead of federal employees, the vast majority of whom are middle-class wage earners.

Despite the small cost of living increase, raises for step increases and workers promoted to new positions would continue, as they have during the freeze.

The federal government employs roughly 2 million civilian federal employees, with about 85 percent living and working outside the Washington area.



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0.5 increase is a cost of living adjustment.  Not to mention the amount isn't that much and there's been a pay freeze for the past 2 years.  A person making 50k a year can expect to get an extra 250 dollars a year before taxes.... ::)


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They should be cut drastically until they are in line w the private sector.   

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They should be cut drastically until they are in line w the private sector.   


The private sector is actually much higher, dum ass.  That's why the POTUS makes 400k a year while an average board member on a company gets over 5 million a year......


Anything else.... ::)
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The private sector is actually much higher, dum ass.  That's why the POTUS makes 400k a year while an average board member on a company gets over 5 million a year......


Anything else.... ::)

LOL!!!!   Are you kidding? 

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LOL!!!!   Are you kidding? 


No...the private sectors always pay more than public jobs, dipshit. 
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The private sector is actually much higher, dum ass.  That's why the POTUS makes 400k a year while an average board member on a company gets over 5 million a year......


Anything else.... ::)

Where are you getting over $5 million in compensation for an "average board member"? 

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That is good, our military is too big and takes too much money out of the yearly budget.  We need to shrink our military, bring our troops and ships and submarines home, and give this money to the people of our land.

Unionize every worker as well in the USA so they can buy food without having to apply for food stamps.

Also a great new magazine for forward thinking people is The Nation - www.thenation.com to subscribe, great writing and insight into the craziness that is this numbers guy way of thinking.

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reppingfor20's methods have been tried in the 1930s - the result? 25% unemployment.

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No...the private sectors always pay more than public jobs, dipshit. 

The average pay for public sector jobs is higher than the average pay for private sector jobs. We are the servants and they are the masters.


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reppingfor20's methods have been tried in the 1930s - the result? 25% unemployment.

wrong it is what this country was built on and what got us out of the great depression.  

next thing you will say is the bush tax cuts created jobs... LOL  ;D
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The Great Depression lasted for 15 years. In other economic downturns where wages were allowed to fall in response to falling demand, like the Depression of 1920-21, lasted a lot less and the recovery was much stronger.

This country was built on individual liberty and free markets, not on unions restricting the supply of labor and screwing over 99% of the public.

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That is good, our military is too big and takes too much money out of the yearly budget.  We need to shrink our military, bring our troops and ships and submarines home, and give this money to the people of our land.

Unionize every worker as well in the USA so they can buy food without having to apply for food stamps.

Also a great new magazine for forward thinking people is The Nation - www.thenation.com to subscribe, great writing and insight into the craziness that is this numbers guy way of thinking.



Sorry rag...u don't get shit..its your fucked up religion that causes all the pain and misery that we're forced to clean up.....and those wars aren't going away any time soon no matter how much the liberal douchbags want to stick their collective heads in the sand. I guess you can't read...as our Constitution mandates a military...not a hand-out to its citizens.

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wrong it is what this country was built on and what got us out of the great depression.  

next thing you will say is the bush tax cuts created jobs... LOL  ;D

Dudes, unions are pieces of shit.
My friend works for Boeing, and almost everyone under that Union wishes they would just go away, the system is so corrupt, many times when they strike they dont even consult the employees, its so corrupt its not even funny. Every one of his co-workers Ive talked to wishes the union would get lost. Especially since their last strike fucked them so bad Boeing went out of state and opened a new facility across the country.
The Union forces demands on Boeing that the workers dont agree with, mostly because the Unions benefit every time they strike - and the employees just get fucked.
The idea of Unions has outlasted its usefullness.. it had a place in the past, now theyre just another corrupt form of bureaucracy.

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They're closing some lines in Kansas and moving them elsewhere. Repping gets his talking points from the PLO and the Daily Kos.....he hasn't had an original idea yet.
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Dudes, unions are pieces of shit.
My friend works for Boeing, and almost everyone under that Union wishes they would just go away, the system is so corrupt, many times when they strike they dont even consult the employees, its so corrupt its not even funny. Every one of his co-workers Ive talked to wishes the union would get lost. Especially since their last strike fucked them so bad Boeing went out of state and opened a new facility across the country.
The Union forces demands on Boeing that the workers dont agree with, mostly because the Unions benefit every time they strike - and the employees just get fucked.
The idea of Unions has outlasted its usefullness.. it had a place in the past, now theyre just another corrupt form of bureaucracy.

Unions are useful on the free market, when they receive no special privileges from government... but now, with all of the power they have, they have become corrupted. They no longer serve the worker, but the union bosses. Look at what's been happening with the Big Three for an example.

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I dont have as ,uch a problem with private unions as I do public sector unions. 

There is no justification whatsoever for public sector unions. 

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Unions are useful on the free market, when they receive no special privileges from government... but now, with all of the power they have, they have become corrupted. They no longer serve the worker, but the union bosses. Look at what's been happening with the Big Three for an example.
Exactly.

Hell, Boeing Washington state (Where Im from) just opened a new plant for the 787 in South Carolina because the fucked up Union was trying to force such rediculous conditions on them they just said "Fuck you guys" and moved a huge portion of the production elsewhere.
The employees were PISSED. None of them wanted to strike, they only polled a small portion of the workers that they knew were for it and didnt consulte anyone else, and they just did it. They just went on strike, over some of the most rediculous demands you can ever think of, when Boeing employees already have some of the best pay/benefits of anyone in that state. Why? Because the Union stood to gain, not the employees. The union didnt give a flying fuck about the employees.

Now a major contract that could have brought a huge number of jobs to Wa has been sent to the carolina's where Boeing can pay the employees half the money/benefits. Boeing wanted to stay in Wa, and was willing to give the Union a lot, but nope, the Union wanted everything and refused to compromise. And now all those jobs are gone. And the Union publicly said they didnt care and would do it again.

Fuck the Boeing Union.

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Dudes, unions are pieces of shit.
My friend works for Boeing, and almost everyone under that Union wishes they would just go away, the system is so corrupt, many times when they strike they dont even consult the employees, its so corrupt its not even funny. Every one of his co-workers Ive talked to wishes the union would get lost. Especially since their last strike fucked them so bad Boeing went out of state and opened a new facility across the country.
The Union forces demands on Boeing that the workers dont agree with, mostly because the Unions benefit every time they strike - and the employees just get fucked.
The idea of Unions has outlasted its usefullness.. it had a place in the past, now theyre just another corrupt form of bureaucracy.

That is why every worker in the USA needs to be mandated to be unionized, so companies cannot go anywhere else and get other labor, also make it so if they choose to move outside USA, put a tarriff on any goods coming in equal to what they would have paid the union workers and the US corporate tax rate, so there would be no point to moving outside the USA to do business.  Unions for life.  Your friend is lucky his pay is so good, he can thank the union, he doesn't know how bad it would be without the union he is spoiled rotten he doesn't even know it.

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The Great Depression lasted for 15 years. In other economic downturns where wages were allowed to fall in response to falling demand, like the Depression of 1920-21, lasted a lot less and the recovery was much stronger.

This country was built on individual liberty and free markets, not on unions restricting the supply of labor and screwing over 99% of the public.

This country was built with free markets, and unions, many things or most USA produced items have a union tag somewhere placed on them for pride of manufacturing.  Free markets worked back then when people had morals, now rich people do not have morals and will pay the worker and treat the worker like the shit because they can and they have no morals, they want more money, money, money, money.  

We got out of the great depression partly by taxing the rich with a very high tax rate, that is one place to start.



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That is why every worker in the USA needs to be mandated to be unionized, so companies cannot go anywhere else and get other labor, also make it so if they choose to move outside USA, put a tarriff on any goods coming in equal to what they would have paid the union workers and the US corporate tax rate, so there would be no point to moving outside the USA to do business.  Unions for life.  Your friend is lucky his pay is so good, he can thank the union, he doesn't know how bad it would be without the union he is spoiled rotten he doesn't even know it.



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This country was built with free markets, and unions, many things or most USA produced items have a union tag somewhere placed on them for pride of manufacturing.  Free markets worked back then when people had morals, now rich people do not have morals and will pay the worker and treat the worker like the shit because they can and they have no morals, they want more money, money, money, money. 



People have always been greedy moron.  Its human nature. 

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They're closing some lines in Kansas and moving them elsewhere. Repping gets his talking points from the PLO and the Daily Kos.....he hasn't had an original idea yet.

I don't read either of those two things, my talking points come from myself, I don't even know what the PLO is or the Daily Kos?  I posted about The Nation magazine I know, but I do not read it and get my talking points from it, I posted it as a therapy of sorts to get some of you thinking in the right direction.

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People have always been greedy moron.  Its human nature. 

Yes people have been greedy to an extent, just like bodybuilding look at the 70's look compared to now, it is a freak show disgusting.  You can look at greed the same way, ceo pay was 30-1 for avg worker now it is 300/500-1 for avg worker, ballooned up just like bodybuilding and not for the better.

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reppingfor20's methods have been tried in the 1930s - the result? 25% unemployment.

your wrong and straight up making things up.

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