Lee Freaking Haney

[MORTALCOIL]

As you said, they were at least three competitors that were very consistent condition wise in the 9ās (Yates, Ray and Munzer). I can't name three competitors as consistent in that department int he last ten years. And if we're talking about structure (cue the Heath comments): look at the top 6 from any 'O from 91 to 97 maybe even 99 (Cormier's best showing maybe and much better than any current pro IMO). They're all better than today's pro. Dillett may have fucked up his conditioning regularly but his structure was very good, so was Fux's, Levrone's, Nasser's, Yates'....Today, apart from Freeman and Wolf, who do you have?

[lm]

if you are a fan of weight, then today is probably the most competitive era.

but if you are a fan of what most consider bodybuilding, then you just have to look at the quality of people who never won an Olympia and draw your conclusions:

Ray, Flex and Levrone are arguably the best to have never won it.

[wes]

As you said, they were at least three competitors that were very consistent condition wise in the 9ās (Yates, Ray and Munzer). I can't name three competitors as consistent in that department int he last ten years. And if we're talking about structure (cue the Heath comments): look at the top 6 from any 'O from 91 to 97 maybe even 99 (Cormier's best showing maybe and much better than any current pro IMO). They're all better than today's pro. Dillett may have fucked up his conditioning regularly but his structure was very good, so was Fux's, Levrone's, Nasser's, Yates'....Today, apart from Freeman and Wolf, who do you have?

Don`t forget Vince Taylor,Lee Labrada,Demay,Gaspari,Momo,and Pastel,as well as Clairmont,Buchanan,Matarazzo,Paris, etc. etc.

[Oly15]

goal physique right there. great inspiration for natural bodybuilders like myself

You're not natural you roach clown.

[david94]

As you said, they were at least three competitors that were very consistent condition wise in the 9ās (Yates, Ray and Munzer). I can't name three competitors as consistent in that department int he last ten years. And if we're talking about structure (cue the Heath comments): look at the top 6 from any 'O from 91 to 97 maybe even 99 (Cormier's best showing maybe and much better than any current pro IMO). They're all better than today's pro. Dillett may have fucked up his conditioning regularly but his structure was very good, so was Fux's, Levrone's, Nasser's, Yates'....Today, apart from Freeman and Wolf, who do you have?

As I said there were more legend during the 90s but it's not today's bodybuilders fault, it's just a coincidence.
By the way you also have a lot of legends during the past 10 years, like Coleman, Dexter, Phil Heath, Cutler who is more competitive than Flex and Levrone even if it's hard to admit it.

[wes]

As I said there were more legend during the 90s but it's not today's bodybuilders fault, it's just a coincidence.
By the way you also have a lot of legends during the past 10 years, like Coleman, Dexter, Phil Heath, Cutler who is more competitive than Flex and Levrone even if it's hard to admit it.

True,but most of the lesser light pros these days suck.....not all,but a lot of them.

Too much oil,shitty proportions,no calves,shit posing,big guts..................

[david94]

True,but most of the lesser light pros these days suck.....not all,but a lot of them.

Too much oil,shitty proportions,no calves,shit posing,big guts..................

If you talk about average pro shows I totally agree with you, shits like Henz Senior or Jari Mentula didn't exist 15 years ago. But if you only talk about the Olympia, the overall level is better today as guys are bigger and leaner.

[MORTALCOIL]

As I said there were more legend during the 90s but it's not today's bodybuilders fault, it's just a coincidence.
By the way you also have a lot of legends during the past 10 years, like Coleman, Dexter, Phil Heath, Cutler who is more competitive than Flex and Levrone even if it's hard to admit it.

Was Coleman ever better than in '98 (maybe the 01 AC)? To me, the fact that people are in awe of his '03 O showing is a proof of how much people no longer give a sit about certain basics. Dexter, I'll agree once again. Jay was consistent for a while from 2001 to 2004 then the waistline exploded and he just had one great showing at the 'O in 2009. Half of his sandows are as good as Columbu's and he won his first one against a way downhill Coleman (Vince Taylor placed 11th or something at 50 years old-I wouldn't really count it as competitive).

[wes]

If you talk about average pro shows I totally agree with you, shits like Henz Senior or Jari Mentula didn't exist 15 years ago. But if you only talk about the Olympia, the overall level is better today as guys are bigger and leaner.

Bigger is not better......better is better!!

It`s all subjective bro.

[wes]

Was Coleman ever better than in '98 (maybe the 01 AC)? To me, the fact that people are in awe of his '03 O showing is a proof of how much people no longer give a sit about certain basics. Dexter, I'll agree once again. Jay was consistent for a while from 2001 to 2004 then the waistline exploded and he just had one great showing at the 'O in 2009. Half of his sandows are as good as Columbu's and he won his first one against a way downhill Coleman (Vince Taylor placed 11th or something at 50 years old-I wouldn't really count it as competitive).

Vince Taylor has tons of overall pro wins!!

He wasn`t always 50 years old! 

[david94]

Was Coleman ever better than in '98 (maybe the 01 AC)? To me, the fact that people are in awe of his '03 O showing is a proof of how much people no longer give a sit about certain basics. Dexter, I'll agree once again. Jay was consistent for a while from 2001 to 2004 then the waistline exploded and he just had one great showing at the 'O in 2009. Half of his sandows are as good as Columbu's and he won his first one against a way downhill Coleman (Vince Taylor placed 11th or something at 50 years old-I wouldn't really count it as competitive).

I used Coleman as example because he won most of his titles during the last 10 years. For the rest, you had an elite during the 90s but this elite was not as dedicated as today's guys (Wheeler, Cormier, Dillet etc...). Now you have a little bit less amazing guys but you also have more great guys than the 90s. Aside from the top 6, you didn't really have interesting guys. Now you have a lot of good guys like Beyeke, Rockel, Centopani, Freeman, Alves, Mc Millian, Shawn Roden, etc...

[wes]

I used Coleman as example because he won most of his titles during the last 10 years. For the rest, you had an elite during the 90s but this elite was not as dedicated as today's guys (Wheeler, Cormier, Dillet etc...). Now you have a little bit less amazing guys but you also have more great guys than the 90s. Aside from the top 6, you didn't really have interesting guys. Now you have a lot of good guys like Beyeke, Rockel, Centopani, Freeman, Alves, Mc Millian, Shawn Roden, etc...

Good list of up and comers!!

[njflex]

Vince Taylor has tons of overall pro wins!!

He wasn`t always 50 years old! 

he has the most pro wins combined ,,,dude was incredible.

[wes]

he has the most pro wins combined ,,,dude was incredible.

And,still looks great!

[Samourai Pizzacat]

You're not natural you roach clown.

You have to calibrate your sarcasm meter...

[Figo]

You're a complete retard if you say nowadays is the weakest era. People always tend to put down the current state and glorify past times ("U know, back in the days...." ), eventough it's completely ridicolous.

Nowadays is probably one of the most competitive era ever, comparable to the 90s.

its not a nostalgia thing, the late 80s and early 90s was the most competitive era with quality size, strong line ups of individual bber of a high caliber that had distinct looks to their physiques

What's retarded is anyone that has the view that bbing has reached a new level..
What exactly makes this era better besides the new found ability to hold more size, and have striations and a gut?

[wes]

its not a nostalgia thing, the late 80s and early 90s was the most competitive era with quality size, strong line ups of individual bber of a high caliber that had distinct looks to their physiques

What's retarded is anyone that has the view that bbing has reached a new level..
What exactly makes this era better besides the new found ability to hold more size, and have striations and a gut?

Good post per usual!

[njflex]

its not a nostalgia thing, the late 80s and early 90s was the most competitive era with quality size, strong line ups of individual bber of a high caliber that had distinct looks to their physiques

What's retarded is anyone that has the view that bbing has reached a new level..
What exactly makes this era better besides the new found ability to hold more size, and have striations and a gut?

its clinging,,,and the only thing keeps it going is the expo's and supplement companies both whom sponsor show's now.

[Figo]

Good post per usual!

thanks,

I'm not trying to put down, nor do I hate current bbers

I'm amazed at kai greene's leg size, the freaky back, and the size of his arms, but do I want to look like him? No. Do I get the illusion that I could possibly ever look like him? No.
At least with zane we had the delusion that was attainable, it was real, same with samir, benfatto, and with guys like haney, then yates, it was a new level, but still appeared human

Am I freaked out by heaths arms? Yes, but I know they're pumped full of seo, and also know that if he doesn't follow a complex regime of aas, gh, seo, slin, that size will be gone in a few months

Haney wouldve also become much smaller off, but he wouldn't have shrunk

Wait till vic leaves his current habitat, and when we see his first pics back outside, the we'll have a good example of current generation bbing sans assistance

[wes]

Yet another good post Figo...........my sentiments exactly to tee.

[Wiggs]

Pathetic arms on Lee

Remember, no SEO, no synthol..All real...not this balonie BS today.
At 5'11.5 and 245 and long limbs, stage ready I'm guessing they probably 20 inches. Nothing mindblowing but to your average person totLee awesome and they had great shape.

[wes]

Nice shot Wiggs...arms look huge there!

[Figo]

Pathetic arms on Lee

Remember, no SEO, no synthol..All real...not this balonie BS today.
At 5'11.5 and 245 and long limbs, stage ready I'm guessing they probably 20 inches. Nothing mindblowing but to your average person totLee awesome and they had great shape.

there was thread where his arm size was discussed, I think gh15 said 19 or 19.5, whatever it was, that torso dwarfed his limbs, massive chest and back

And he had a now almost extinct v taper

[MORTALCOIL]

Nice shot Wiggs...arms look huge there!

You mean that's Wiggs latest pic? Fuckin' amazing improvement in a week or so! Ok, I'm out.

[Wiggs]

You mean that's Wiggs latest pic? Fuckin' amazing improvement in a week or so! Ok, I'm out.

Yeah bro, I've been working my ass off. Bringing back the old school look.