Arnold's torso to waist ratio

[Figo]

I think you mean it portrays a weak core

I think that's dumb, this is bbing not wsm, sure in buchanans case it was an extremely small waist, but he was a strong bbber
same for arnold

anyway, each to their own, maybe it comes down to preference

[A Professional]

I agree with closeline. The waist should be medium-small to medium. Arnold was perfect. Bodybuilders arent supposed to look like power lifters with a large waist that conveys pure power; however, Bodybuilders should have a medium waist to convey 'aesthetic power'.

[BILL ANVIL]

I think you mean it portrays a weak core

I think that's dumb, this is bbing not wsm, sure in buchanans case it was an extremely small waist, but he was a strong bbber
same for arnold

anyway, each to their own, maybe it comes down to preference

It does come down to preference, and depends what type of BBer you prefer, or even if you wanna look like a bber. Not everybody does.

[Parker]

some guys here are stupid as hell


of course bb should have a rather small waist compared to some fridges out there

like arnold had and your multiple mr o cutler doesn t

i just wanted to make clear that there is a "to small" as well if it results in a weak lower body "monkey type"

cutler, schlierkamp = to wide


arnold, nasser, dorian, demey, strydom = perfect

buchanen, flex, ronnie = to small

and not to forget there is a difference between big waist with narrow hipps (bloated look of many pros today) and big waist with wide hips (rather genetics)

Arnold and Gunter were built the same---had the same waists...if Arnold were to be on the same shit as Gunter was, they'd look similar...

Gunter did an ad for a video game, it ran in comicbooks, Wizard, Toyfare, and video game mags...He was dressed up like Conan, and he was offseason...I shit you not, he was the spitting image of Arnold in that movie---pecs, arms, and in particular, the waist (and abs).

Thing is Gunter is 6'2 or more, and 300+ and Arnold at the same weight was 235-240, so imagine Arnold with bigger legs, and more weight all around, you get Gunter...

The genepool has expanded since Arnold, and there are many more who could blow Arnold away, if they were transported back to his time, or if his peak self was sent to the future...

In fact, I think that if Arnold were competing in the NPc of the 90s, he'd lose to Dennis Newman, Flex, Chris Cormier, Kevin Levrone, Mike Francios, Paul Demayo, Don Long, Phil Hernon, and possibly even Craig Titus.

[flinstones1]

Gunter is not quite 6'2...more like 6'1 on a good day

[Figo]

I agree with closeline. The waist should be medium-small to medium. Arnold was perfect. Bodybuilders arent supposed to look like power lifters with a large waist that conveys pure power; however, Bodybuilders should have a medium waist to convey 'aesthetic power'.

isn't that what I said in other words

[BILL ANVIL]

I agree with closeline. The waist should be medium-small to medium. Arnold was perfect. Bodybuilders arent supposed to look like power lifters with a large waist that conveys pure power; however, Bodybuilders should have a medium waist to convey 'aesthetic power'.

spot on. See Levrone or Nassers waist.

[A Professional]

isn't that what I said in other words

I dunno, probably didn't read every post thoroughly. Kudos if you said it first.

[funk51]

Even during training his small waist was evident

d draper. illusion.

[funk51]

another example

[ARNIE1947]

 

[PhysiqueNatural]

Even during training his small waist was evident

Like his idol Reg Park, Arnold has a humongous rib cage that he build with barbbell pullovers, once he enlarged it enough he swiched to the dumbell version of the exercise for in his words maintainence of rib cage, that's whats missing on many bodybuilders now days, of course the movement is very uncomfortable. It gives the entire torso a powerfull athletic look and a base on wich more chest mass can be built, also the bench pressing strength increases doing this exercise. And doing vacuums is more impressive, especially from the side.

[BILL ANVIL]

Like his idol Reg Park, Arnold has a humongous rib cage that he build with barbbell pullovers, once he enlarged it enough he swiched to the dumbell version of the exercise for in his words maintainence of rib cage, that's whats missing on many bodybuilders now days, of course the movement is very uncomfortable. It gives the entire torso a powerfull athletic look and a base on wich more chest mass can be built, also the bench pressing strength increases doing this exercise. And doing vacuums is more impressive, especially from the side.

Agreed. Massive ribcages like Parks and Arnolds are a thing of the past.

[johnny1]

Even during training his small waist was evident

That pic's been shopped....seen the original his rib cage and hamstrings have been touched up, whatever the case he did have a Very small waist.....Side on.

[wes]

Arnold and Gunter were built the same---had the same waists...if Arnold were to be on the same shit as Gunter was, they'd look similar...

Gunter did an ad for a video game, it ran in comicbooks, Wizard, Toyfare, and video game mags...He was dressed up like Conan, and he was offseason...I shit you not, he was the spitting image of Arnold in that movie---pecs, arms, and in particular, the waist (and abs).

Thing is Gunter is 6'2 or more, and 300+ and Arnold at the same weight was 235-240, so imagine Arnold with bigger legs, and more weight all around, you get Gunter...

The genepool has expanded since Arnold, and there are many more who could blow Arnold away, if they were transported back to his time, or if his peak self was sent to the future...

In fact, I think that if Arnold were competing in the NPc of the 90s, he'd lose to Dennis Newman, Flex, Chris Cormier, Kevin Levrone, Mike Francios, Paul Demayo, Don Long, Phil Hernon, and possibly even Craig Titus.

Parker,you`re a good dude and I like your posts,but if Arnold had access to the same drugs as the guys you mentioned and said would beat him,I just have to shake my head and laugh.

The one thing Arnold had in abundance over those other great bodybuilders by the way,was a fierce determination to excel            ....moreso than those mentioned I would venture to assume.

[BILL ANVIL]

Even during training his small waist was evident

Hes looks MASSIVE underneath that bar, he was def a big man and you can especially see it when looking at his ribcage. Hes gotta have one of the biggest chests ever..

[njflex]

Hes looks MASSIVE underneath that bar, he was def a big man and you can especially see it when looking at his ribcage. Hes gotta have one of the biggest chests ever..

his side chest is unmatched even today ,,new how to crest it and hit the chest pose as was intended,,kev leverone did as well....

[Mr Anabolic]

his side chest is unmatched even today ,,new how to crest it and hit the chest pose as was intended,,kev leverone did as well....

Shawn Ray's was good too.

[Figo]

I dunno, probably didn't read every post thoroughly. Kudos if you said it first.

your explanation was more concise

[Parker]

Parker,you`re a good dude and I like your posts,but if Arnold had access to the same drugs as the guys you mentioned and said would beat him,I just have to shake my head and laugh.

The one thing Arnold had in abundance over those other great bodybuilders by the way,was a fierce determination to excel            ....moreso than those mentioned I would venture to assume.

Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.

Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...

Yes, he had drive, and so did others...If Sergio was just as in shape as Arnold, I think it would be tit for tat when it came to winning Mr. O's...they'd go back and forth...

I know you are from the old skool, and I like the old skool bbers, but the bbers from the 90s---that was the  Golden Era, you are not going to see that for awhile. But, from looking at Arnold's pics, his vids...he wasn't the end all be all, what truly seperated him was his confidence and charisma...he conveyed it in his poses, he literally lept off the pages...

[PhysiqueNatural]

Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.

Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...

Yes, he had drive, and so did others...If Sergio was just as in shape as Arnold, I think it would be tit for tat when it came to winning Mr. O's...they'd go back and forth...

I know you are from the old skool, and I like the old skool bbers, but the bbers from the 90s---that was the  Golden Era, you are not going to see that for awhile. But, from looking at Arnold's pics, his vids...he wasn't the end all be all, what truly seperated him was his confidence and charisma...he conveyed it in his poses, he literally lept off the pages...

I hope you are kidding man, lets turn things around and say what if Newman and Francois competed in Arnolds era without the modern drugs and diuretics do you think they could beat Sergio even once? Arnold did it more then once, you could say some of them where not deserving but not all of them for sure.
And Arnold was one of the hardest trainers in history, now way those two can be put in the same sentence on training hard.

[Royalty]

If you exposed this body to todays drugs; he would be unreal.

If you were to ask guy from the 80's: Lee Haney, Mike Christian, or Shawn Ray; I think they'd agree. I would be interested to hear Ronnie Coleman's thoughts.

One thing that I found kind of odd; Dorian Yates never seemed to be overly impressed with Arnold. Yates always mentioned Mike Mentzer & Casey Viator as his sources of inspiration (I think Arnold's personality was the exact opposite of Dorian's)



No camera tricks here Parker... Just Arnold loading up the T-Bar Row with some olympic plates

[Royalty]

this body on todays drugs would be FAR superior to Gunter. Arnold's muscle belly's are fuller

[Figo]

It would be really interesting to see arnold or haney on todays stacks

Would they look unbelievable,

Or like gunter and ronnie?

Not exactly like them, cause their bodies differ in many respects, but you get my point..

[Parker]

Parker,you`re a good dude and I like your posts,but if Arnold had access to the same drugs as the guys you mentioned and said would beat him,I just have to shake my head and laugh.

The one thing Arnold had in abundance over those other great bodybuilders by the way,was a fierce determination to excel            ....moreso than those mentioned I would venture to assume.

Wes, I believe Arnold was great, but I believe his his biggest feat was being marketable as well.

Had Arnold competed against, Dennis Newman, Mike Francois (the man had some work ethic), many of these dudes put in work, and were facially more marketable than Arnold...
But the reason why Arnold excelled, was his charisma and charm, it lept off the pages...at the time, and even now, he was the guy you wanted to be, cocksure of himself...he was what bbing was all about---others just sold you the Charles Atlas line---he was the real deal.