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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2012, 10:55:00 AM »
Thats awesome for a high school. The mid-west takes pride in their sports and athletes. I have to fight to get a fucking medicine ball at our school. The other school I coach at is a public school and when I put in a requisition for anything It takes weeks or over a month to even get a response and the answer is usually "no" >:(
yeah its pretty impressive especially these days when HS kids are encouraged to be little twinks in skinny jeans and girl belts, theyve even got the old school "400 club", "500 club", etc. lists on the walls, good stuff.

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2012, 11:14:05 AM »
If I recall correctly, Arthur Jones did quite well training the Deland, Fla. high school on Nautilus machines for the majority of their training.  Apparently, the Deland high school had one heck of a powerlifting team.

Coach, I'm not saying you are wrong about identifying/addressing weak links in an athlete's body, but terms like "quad dominant" and "posterior chain" are just terms that have been coined in order to convince the population that S&C coaches are smarter than they are.  I've been to many a seminar with alleged top quality S&C coaches, and believe me, these aren't exactly Mensa meetings. 

More like a bunch of chubby guys with goatees who were frustrated bodybuilders.  Ragging on bodybuilding type training, being lean, etc.
Now, Dr. Ken Leistner is a wealth of knowledge, and I don't recall ever seeing him train a guy on a GHR.  Go pull some anchor chain (one in each hand) and tell me that your hamstrings aren't going to be completely fried/worked from top to bottom.  That is what I call "functional" training.

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2012, 11:23:26 AM »
If I recall correctly, Arthur Jones did quite well training the Deland, Fla. high school on Nautilus machines for the majority of their training.  Apparently, the Deland high school had one heck of a powerlifting team.

Coach, I'm not saying you are wrong about identifying/addressing weak links in an athlete's body, but terms like "quad dominant" and "posterior chain" are just terms that have been coined in order to convince the population that S&C coaches are smarter than they are.  I've been to many a seminar with alleged top quality S&C coaches, and believe me, these aren't exactly Mensa meetings. 

More like a bunch of chubby guys with goatees who were frustrated bodybuilders.  Ragging on bodybuilding type training, being lean, etc.
Now, Dr. Ken Leistner is a wealth of knowledge, and I don't recall ever seeing him train a guy on a GHR.  Go pull some anchor chain (one in each hand) and tell me that your hamstrings aren't going to be completely fried/worked from top to bottom.  That is what I call "functional" training.

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2012, 11:25:44 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2012, 11:46:28 AM »
We're not designed to move in isolation (single joint) but rather in multi-joint and in multi-plains. If you're pulling a 500 deadlift chances are you're pulling with your hips and back which usually means you're not recruiting your hamstrings making it more hip dominant than knee dominant. Make sense?

Not to me.  Do you mean he's pulling the deadlift with "hips and back" or the GH raise?  If the former, how else are you supposed to pull it?  How can a deadlift be "knee dominant"?  Your knee joint barely articulates... and what do you mean "pulling with your back"?  Aren't back muscles mostly locked in isometric contraction during a deadlift?  It's mainly a hip exercise, and your hamstrings extend the hips as well as flexing the knees.

Maybe you aren't implying he's somehow deadlifting wrong, or that there's some other way to deadlift, but this is how this reads to me...


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When you have a weak link in your posterior chain (hamstrings, glutes, low back) it can create all kinds of problems, injury speaking not to mention doing a relatively simple bodyweight exercise such as GH raise. Your weak link is your hamstrings and should be worked simultaneously with glutes and low back.

I can agree this is probably true... however the reason he can't do a GH raise seems obvious to me, yet this quote isn't very clear.  Hamstrings have two functions, extending the hips and flexing the knees.  In a deadlift, they extend the hips.  In a GH raise, they flex the knees.

So yes he needs to strengthen hamstrings, but not indiscriminately.  Romanian deadlifts, squat, reverse hyper, and regular deadlifts are all hamstrings exercises, and all "work simultaneously with glutes and low back," but they emphasize the hip extension aspect, not the knee flexion aspect, so I don't think they will help.

If anything leg curls SHOULD help, but if he wants to get better at the glute ham raise, he should just do the glute ham raise...  this will really work the knee-flexion capacity of his hamstrings.

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2012, 11:52:47 AM »
Train the GHR in a fashion promoted by none other than Arthur Jones (a name that hates to be mentioned by the Louie lovers of the world, despite their use of chains, which, alas Arthur Jones advocated):  NEGATIVE ONLY.

When you can do about 6 reps lowering in 6-8 seconds each, you will be able to do at least 3 perfect GHR's.

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« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2012, 11:54:41 AM »
If I recall correctly, Arthur Jones did quite well training the Deland, Fla. high school on Nautilus machines for the majority of their training.  Apparently, the Deland high school had one heck of a powerlifting team.

Coach, I'm not saying you are wrong about identifying/addressing weak links in an athlete's body, but terms like "quad dominant" and "posterior chain" are just terms that have been coined in order to convince the population that S&C coaches are smarter than they are.  I've been to many a seminar with alleged top quality S&C coaches, and believe me, these aren't exactly Mensa meetings.  

More like a bunch of chubby guys with goatees who were frustrated bodybuilders.  Ragging on bodybuilding type training, being lean, etc.
Now, Dr. Ken Leistner is a wealth of knowledge, and I don't recall ever seeing him train a guy on a GHR.  Go pull some anchor chain (one in each hand) and tell me that your hamstrings aren't going to be completely fried/worked from top to bottom.  That is what I call "functional" training.

Good post.  All this talk about muscle imbalances rarely helps anything... my brother has been telling me I'm "quad dominant" for years... what can I do about it?  I would exercise hamstrings as much as any other muscle, they were always sore, and quite strong.

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« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2012, 12:01:27 PM »
Good post.  All this talk about muscle imbalances rarely helps anything... my brother has been telling me I'm "quad dominant" for years... what can I do about it?  I would exercise hamstrings as much as any other muscle, the were always sore, and quite strong.

Thanks, Cephissus.
I am a former Division I athlete who worked his ass off, because I had gotten a very late start in my respective sport, and got to where I was because I was a very good athlete first, before I was a good player at my sport (tennis).
However, I am convinced that damned near any program would work for a lot of top level athletes, if the program were actually followed with some level of committment/drive.  I was surprised as hell when I interned in a Div. I strength room at how lazy some of the very best athletes are.  They don't put the required effort into their routine AT ALL.  Yet, they still advance because they are the genetic elite.
Now, when you take a genetic elite end of the bell curve individual, you get crazy results when they bust their ass at the program.
Look at a school like Butler.  Tiny school.  Tough as nails basketball team.  I guarantee you their S&C room looks NOTHING like the video we saw from University of Texas.  Yet their squad gets results, and I have not heard of their athletes getting inujured time and again.

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« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2012, 01:19:27 PM »
Another great post.

I think a lot of people go way off the deep end with the "strength and conditioning" stuff.  Being at the top is mostly a matter of breeding (ie genetics), not training.  A lot of sad people who can't accept this and think they can make up for the deficiencies they've received FROM BIRTH through "hard work."

I would laugh but it really is sad...

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2012, 01:32:00 PM »
Another great post.

I think a lot of people go way off the deep end with the "strength and conditioning" stuff.  Being at the top is mostly a matter of breeding (ie genetics), not training.  A lot of sad people who can't accept this and think they can make up for the deficiencies they've received FROM BIRTH through "hard work."

I would laugh but it really is sad...

The other thing is that the word "great" is used far too often.  I was certainly above average/very good for both strength and athleticism (probably more for strength, as I never saw another tennis player deadlift 500).  However, it is only when you get to see the true genetic elite (either in the weight room or on your respective field) that you realize that it simply doesn't matter how much hard work you put it, you won't be the cream of the crop.

That does not mean that you shouldn't bust your ass in the gym and out, because a stronger/fitter athlete is always better than one who isn't, but you have to set realistic goals, and put the Rocky montage where it belongs, in the fucking movies.

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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2012, 02:05:21 PM »
You both make good arguments but in todays strength and conditioning its not all about "strength and conditioning". It's also about injury prevention for the athlete and creating programs that are effective while reducing the risk of injury. In that sense s&c is light years from what it used to be and the new benches and exercises that you see in a college setting are just for that.......to be able to create power and strength, reducing the risk of injury and transferring that onto field or court.

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« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2012, 02:15:53 PM »
You both make good arguments but in todays strength and conditioning its not all about "strength and conditioning". It's also about injury prevention for the athlete and creating programs that are effective while reducing the risk of injury. In that sense s&c is light years from what it used to be and the new benches and exercises that you see in a college setting are just for that.......to be able to create power and strength, reducing the risk of injury and transferring that onto field or court.

Coach, no offense, but it has always been the Strength and Conditioning coach's job to get their athletes 1) stronger, 2) more fit, and 3) less prone to injury.  Ken Mannie (of MSU fame) once said something to the effect (and I'm paraphrasing here):  "If you hurt your athlete in the gym, you are committing malpractice.  You are missing the entire point of what your job is, and that is at the same time to make your athlete stronger, and to prevent injury." 

Here is an example:  Would I have athletes's squat?  Of course.  Would I have them attempt limit weights?  No.  Hell, I wouldn't even have them use a barbell.  I'd have them use a safety squat bar, so as not to place their shoulders in external rotation.  I've seen guys subluxate their shoulders doing barbell squats.  I wouldn't neglect an athlete's external rotation either, as pec stretches and external rotation would be de riguer.

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« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2012, 02:26:19 PM »
And I understand that. Point being is that strength training has evolved and continues to all the time. With an athlete you're not going to see a leg curl in at most universities but you will see something thats more effective that lessens the risk of injury. Out of the  4 big universities that went to I cannot say I saw one. And of course there's a reason for that.

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2012, 02:27:14 PM »
Groink > Cena

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« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2012, 02:29:38 PM »
Groink > Cena
when Groink does push ups he doesnt push his body up he pushes the earth down.

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« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2012, 02:30:28 PM »
BTW SS, no offence taken what so ever. I like talking about things like this with like minded people. I learn from it.

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« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2012, 02:30:48 PM »
when Groink does push ups he doesnt push his body up he pushes the earth down.

Groink drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

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« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2012, 02:31:56 PM »
Groink drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.
Groink once gave every girl in a strip club prolapsed vaginas in the same night.

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« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2012, 02:33:49 PM »
Groink once gave every girl in a strip club prolapsed vaginas in the same night.

Ghosts sit around campfires and tell Groink stories.

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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2012, 02:34:49 PM »
Ghosts sit around campfires and tell Groink stories.
John Wayne used to go to Groink for tips on being a man.

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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2012, 04:13:26 PM »
the lone ranger almost took groink instead of tonto as his partner.

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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2012, 09:25:51 PM »
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Re: cena exercise
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2012, 07:12:15 AM »
BTW SS, no offence taken what so ever. I like talking about things like this with like minded people. I learn from it.

Shows you are a level headed guy when you can discuss matters with folks who have a different viewpoint. 

However, I think that far too many universities have jumped on the WSB bandwagon, and no offense meant to Louie, as he has trained a large number of Elite "equipped" lifters, but I don't see many of his tools applying to the collegiate athlete.  Wide stance squats, heavy good mornings, board presses etc. have little place in the athlete's bag of tricks.  However, band tension, chains, and assistance lifts are a great thing, but not pushed to the limits that a competitive powerlifter does, as the competition for them is the LIFT, not the athletic field.

Further, WSB continues to evolve, and we have seen a shift to more bodybuilding style training.  So, everything that is old is new again.

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« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2012, 07:19:16 AM »
These two week certication to be a trainer from the internet makes the holder of these certificates think they are scientist. The do use a lot of buzz words and phrases to make things sound scientific. Is this to make people think they are scientist in exercise physiology?

 One friend was studing how to calibrate a treadmill with math formulas on his personal trainer course. Unless you are an engineer designing and building one why do you need to calibrate a treadmill?

Gyms use these certificates to lower their liability insurance. A lot of these big certificate companies started in the bedroom on the computer of some 20 sometime kid.  

On "reputable" text book on personal training that goes for almost $100 bucks is written by several phd's in exercise physiology. They have their pictures in the book and they all look out of shape and pudgy. The book is filled with mathmatic formulas that have no rhyme or reason why they are necessary to qualify a person to be a personal trainer but I bet it looks good to a jury in a law suit.