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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #125 on: January 13, 2012, 10:26:01 AM »
You have no argument "babbu".  You're all over the place.  Perhaps if you typed in coherent ENGLISH, you'd be better understood. Quit comparing Kia to Porsche...You're sick and need help, it's pretty pathetic...As you have seen, there really is no comparison...

I'd say I understand you with nassole being one of the few bodybuilders that look like you and you clinging to that but I don't as my people dominate the "sport" :-*

Train hard little fella... :-*



I have nothing against you Wiggs, so can't be bothered to get into a flame exchange.  From your posts you either clear did not read mine or did not understand them, I'm assuming it's the former because my posts are not difficult to understand.  

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #126 on: January 13, 2012, 10:31:33 AM »
I have nothing against you Wiggs, so can't be bothered to get into a flame exchange.  From your posts you either clear did not read mine or did not understand them, I'm assuming it's the former because my posts are not difficult to understand.  

You are a very bad debater...When something doesn't work for you, you'll use something totally irrelavant to try and prove your point...That's stretching...You've done this for years and you still do it. Same topic, same person. You are anything but objective. I have my favorites but can pick them apart as well as I can someone who I'm not fond of.  You can not.

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #127 on: January 13, 2012, 10:32:30 AM »
I dont even think the two are comparable...one is aesthetic the other is mass with class (beautiful man @ 300 w/abs). I'm a fan of both, but my preference would be to look like CC if I had to choose.. It is a damn shame that in today's crop you have maybe 3 top pros (Philsulin, Gai Greene, and who ever the flavor of the month is) whereas back then you could go 12 deep with quality physiques.
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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #128 on: January 13, 2012, 10:36:57 AM »
Point is he's dwarfing Chris (at Chris' best) and at a size and condition much lower than his own best.  Put his own best next to the same version of Chris and the discrepency would be even more.  

Not sure if they were at their very top shape, but they wer competitive in many shows where they lost to Nasser.  Point is that just because Nasser's back is less detailed than another top pro does not mean he would lose to them, since your logic on him losing to Cormier is that he would lose from the back, yet he'd often place higher than other competitive top pros who had better backs than him.  So again your logic fails.  If the back was the end all he would never have placed in the top 6 even.

Funny hwo I have to always explain the point in detail for you.  I think you honestly do understand the point often, but out of habit blindly reply with counterarguments, even when you know they are weak ones.

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Point is he's dwarfing Chris (at Chris' best) and at a size and condition much lower than his own best.  Put his own best next to the same version of Chris and the discrepency would be even more.  

You keep trying to use this size advantage like it is one and it's not , he's ' dwarfing ' Chris and he still fucking lost , and even heavier he would still suck from behind. all you can cling to is the size advantage and it's useless. Please keep this in your head , he was bigger than 99% of the field and lost more often than he ever won

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Not sure if they were at their very top shape, but they wer competitive in many shows where they lost to Nasser.  Point is that just because Nasser's back is less detailed than another top pro does not mean he would lose to them, since your logic on him losing to Cormier is that he would lose from the back, yet he'd often place higher than other competitive top pros who had better backs than him.  So again your logic fails.  If the back was the end all he would never have placed in the top 6 even.

Nasser's back as explained to you numerous times isn't just lacking detail , it's missing much more and he's a completely different guy when he turns around. Just because he managed to beat guys with backs doesn't mean his isn't a flaw. He beat them when they were off , they usually kicked his ass when they were on

And the reason why the back trumps Nasser is because................. ........................ Nasser supposedly had every part better than Dorian except back and he still fucking lost  ;) so in the end Nasser would lost to Chris for the same reasons he lost to Dorian and others

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Funny hwo I have to always explain the point in detail for you.  I think you honestly do understand the point often, but out of habit blindly reply with counterarguments, even when you know they are weak ones.

Says the guy who when confronted with facts on why his hero simply wasn't good enough always claims it was POLITICS , and none of my arguments are weak I never make excuses like you and team Nasser do , I don't make things up like you ( Mike Francois never came close to Nasser 95 on  ::) )

Team excuses in full effect for 2012 , you have to make excuses because the truth hurts Nasser isn't that good compared to a LOT of guys , I have the history & the facts to prove this , you have excuses and denial , keep them

Nasser looks great in a few front poses , is no where near the force from the sides and blatantly sucks from the back , he has 6 wins in 53 contests big deal , you will never escape facts my friend

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #129 on: January 13, 2012, 10:39:16 AM »
You are a very bad debater...When something doesn't work for you, you'll use something totally irrelavant to try and prove your point...That's stretching...You've done this for years and you still do it. Same topic, same person. You are anything but objective. I have my favorites but can pick them apart as well as I can someone who I'm not fond of.  You can not.



Great point , he sucks at debating because he has to try and rearrange history to fit his point of view which contradicts it. He's outright lied when comparing Nasser and Mike Francois , everything that proves he's wrong he glosses over

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #130 on: January 13, 2012, 10:41:49 AM »
 
You keep trying to use this size advantage like it is one and it's not , he's ' dwarfing ' Chris and he still fucking lost , and even heavier he would still suck from behind. all you can cling to is the size advantage and it's useless. Please keep this in your head , he was bigger than 99% of the field and lost more often than he ever won

Nasser's back as explained to you numerous times isn't just lacking detail , it's missing much more and he's a completely different guy when he turns around. Just because he managed to beat guys with backs doesn't mean his isn't a flaw. He beat them when they were off , they usually kicked his ass when they were on

And the reason why the back trumps Nasser is because................. ........................ Nasser supposedly had every part better than Dorian except back and he still fucking lost  ;) so in the end Nasser would lost to Chris for the same reasons he lost to Dorian and others

Says the guy who when confronted with facts on why his hero simply wasn't good enough always claims it was POLITICS , and none of my arguments are weak I never make excuses like you and team Nasser do , I don't make things up like you ( Mike Francois never came close to Nasser 95 on  ::) )

Team excuses in full effect for 2012 , you have to make excuses because the truth hurts Nasser isn't that good compared to a LOT of guys , I have the history & the facts to prove this , you have excuses and denial , keep them

Nasser looks great in a few front poses , is no where near the force from the sides and blatantly sucks from the back , he has 6 wins in 53 contests big deal , you will never escape facts my friend

*yawn* tons of typing nad you're not bringing anything new to the table.  Like i said and how Shareef proved earlier, when Nasser was on he did beat many competitive pros at their best or near best who had better backs than Nasser.  Therefore, you can't use the argument alone that Nasser would lose to Cormier because he has a worse back.  Same for the Francois argument.  Maybe you should try to address this instead of discussing whether size makes a difference, how much difference it makes, etc.  And since Wiggs thnks my arguments have no point or are easy to pick apart, how bout he take a whack at addressing this too?

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #131 on: January 13, 2012, 10:42:16 AM »
Nassar would be held in a higher regard if all his 'fan' base wouldn't go out of their collective way to make such ludicrous claims...

You guys are actually hurting his legacy in the end lol
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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #132 on: January 13, 2012, 10:44:08 AM »
but nasser and corimer never competed against each other when both were at their VERY best so i put pics of chris from mr. olympia 99 which was his best ever shape!!.. if you want them both on the same stage beside each other there are so many picture where nasser makes chris his bitch and slaps him on his right and left cheeks :-X..

Looking at 1st pics you posted objectively, don't you think vince taylor looks so much better than nasser?

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #133 on: January 13, 2012, 10:44:37 AM »
Nassole at 280 was anything but class.

in this pic. (olympia 96) he was 285 pounds.. do you think he lacked any symmetry, shape, or, proportion??.. what is "class" then?!..

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #134 on: January 13, 2012, 10:46:13 AM »
ray were off in these 3 years!!! ::).. ray was always on and especially in 95 and 97.. flex magazine (your bible) stated that ray looked the same in 96 as 95 which shows how he was on in 95 because 96 was considered one of his very best shapes.. also dorian (your master) saw ray deserving the 2nd place in 95.. sure yates was wrong but again this shows ray was on..

and levrone too was on in these 3 years.. not at his best but nasser too was not at his very best and still beat him!!..

He wasn't the same in 95 as he was in 96 , if he was he would have beaten Nasser in 95 like he did in 96  ;)


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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #135 on: January 13, 2012, 10:46:16 AM »
Nassar would be held in a higher regard if all his 'fan' base wouldn't go out of their collective way to make such ludicrous claims...

You guys are actually hurting his legacy in the end lol

What's the ludicrous claim?

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #136 on: January 13, 2012, 10:47:29 AM »
He wasn't the same in 95 as he was in 96 , if he was he would have beaten Nasser in 95 like he did in 96  ;)



Again you did not address the point.  In 95 Ray was competitive (will avoid the argument of whether he was at his best but you can't claim he was off or far from his best)...point is he was a top pro, in good shape, had a better back than Nasser, but lost to him.  So this (+ other examples) shows you can't dismiss Nasser vs. others like Cormier or Francois simply based on the back.


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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #137 on: January 13, 2012, 10:50:54 AM »
He wasn't the same in 95 as he was in 96 , if he was he would have beaten Nasser in 95 like he did in 96  ;)



you said clearly he was off in 95 but according to flex magazine experts and dorian he was on.. go to youtube and watch his posing routines in both years and you will find yourself watching the exact same thing but one time with hair and the other without!!..

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #138 on: January 13, 2012, 10:51:41 AM »
in this pic. (olympia 96) he was 285 pounds.. do you think he lacked any symmetry, shape, or, proportion??.. what is "class" then?!..
at his height he carried 285 very well compared to some

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #139 on: January 13, 2012, 10:52:01 AM »
hammer's nest thread:

dillett was a better bb than nasser :-X

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2012, 10:52:58 AM »
at his height he carried 285 very well compared to some

according to ND he was not built to carry anything more than 260 pounds ::)

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #141 on: January 13, 2012, 10:54:14 AM »
hammer's nest thread:

dillett was a better bb than nasser :-X
what did dillet weigh at his heaviest?

He did dwarf nasser in some pics in earlier shows

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2012, 10:55:05 AM »

*yawn* tons of typing nad you're not bringing anything new to the table.  Like i said and how Shareef proved earlier, when Nasser was on he did beat many competitive pros at their best or near best who had better backs than Nasser.  Therefore, you can't use the argument alone that Nasser would lose to Cormier because he has a worse back.  Same for the Francois argument.  Maybe you should try to address this instead of discussing whether size makes a difference, how much difference it makes, etc.  And since Wiggs thnks my arguments have no point or are easy to pick apart, how bout he take a whack at addressing this too?

No kidding nothing new to the table , because I explained to you dozens of times how and why Nasser lost and would lose , you as usual are iceskating up-hill trying desperately to rewrite history and thanks for proving us right , when faced with facts you look for a way out  ;)

Nasser beat top tier guys when they were OFF when they were on he would be left for dead by real top tier pros like Flex , Kevin , Dorian , Ronnie all who beat him despite being lighter

According to you and Team Delusional , the only place Dorian beats Nasser is back and Nasser has him everywhere else , if entertaining your train of thought how could this happen? Nasser beat many guys near their best despite this short coming ! Nasser 1996 was 285lbs at what many consider his best he dwarfed Dorian and Shawn and still lost to both of them , following your logic it should have been a Nasser cake walk , Dorian wasn't at his best either. Please spare me the politics because that wont even be entertained

I have a clue for your , Nasser's is NO WHERE near as good as you pretend he was

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #143 on: January 13, 2012, 10:55:11 AM »
Breaking news: 100+ Nasser vs Ray and Nasser vs Cormier threads coming our way. Pure genius. I'll start the Nasser vs Godzilla soon. Who had the better back?

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #144 on: January 13, 2012, 10:56:46 AM »
what did dillet weigh at his heaviest?

He did dwarf nasser in some pics in earlier shows

so you want to include dillett here instead of starting a separate thread??.. ok dillett only dwarfed nasser in 94.. after this nasser was beating him in size and shape and everything and of course in posing lol..

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #145 on: January 13, 2012, 10:58:16 AM »
according to ND he was not built to carry anything more than 260 pounds ::)
I'm not nassers fan club president, but he did carry it better than others, and the times dictated extreme size, however, earliy nasser, IMO, was a better look

I don't know the years, mid 90s somewhere, can't remember

So you could say he looked best around 250-260

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #146 on: January 13, 2012, 10:58:43 AM »
according to ND he was not built to carry anything more than 260 pounds ::)

Team LIAR in full effect , I asked you dozens of times to show me where I said that and you have NOT answered the challenge , I've said many times he carried his size well , however playing the mass monster game was counterproductive , he made him soft from the back and he had no back

he had a back ( somewhat ) at 260lbs above that he was soft as a marsh mellow

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2012, 10:59:37 AM »
Breaking news: 100+ Nasser vs Ray and Nasser vs Cormier threads coming our way. Pure genius. I'll start the Nasser vs Godzilla soon. Who had the better back?

nasser was better in all poses except the 2 back poses..

this can be said when comparing nasser to any other top pro and also godzilla..

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #148 on: January 13, 2012, 11:00:14 AM »
so you want to include dillett here instead of starting a separate thread??.. ok dillett only dwarfed nasser in 94.. after this nasser was beating him in size and shape and everything and of course in posing lol..
lol

There's a pic on first page here I think, dillet is manhandling him

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Re: Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #149 on: January 13, 2012, 11:00:54 AM »
I'm not nassers fan club president, but he did carry it better than others, and the times dictated extreme size, however, earliy nasser, IMO, was a better look

I don't know the years, mid 90s somewhere, can't remember

So you could say he looked best around 250-260

yes imo his best show was NOC 95 and huston 95.. he was 260 and 268 pounds..