Mike Christian's guns

[njflex]

A lot of the wbf guys knew they couldn't make a dent in ifbb so went for the guaranteed package at wbf

Even though it folded, they got paid, probably did better than if they'd stayed with the ifbb during that timeframe

strydom prior was major ifbb pro won show's,,,eddie robinson was on his way won niagra pro show in 90,demey was healed from pec tear and in great form,m quinn was mro top 10,padilla former great and comeback 90 yr was great for him ifbb,baker was new he turned pro 89/90 same with zuke ,dearth turned pro in 89 and he was placing as well in ifbb,,so they weren't bottom feeders but yes with 91 and up becoming new era with yates and co comimg on strong some of theses guys would have faded quicker if not taking wbf money,,,but many thrived when they returned 93-95 and some did well in ifbb,m quinn,jquinn,demey for some shows,dearth,baker for sure huge when he returned.

[MCWAY]

A lot of the wbf guys knew they couldn't make a dent in ifbb so went for the guaranteed package at wbf

Even though it folded, they got paid, probably did better than if they'd stayed with the ifbb during that timeframe

Wrong on that one.

As NJFlex stated, Strydom won several IFBB pro shows, prior to the WBF. Christian won the Pro World Championships (the forerunner to the Arnold Classic) and placed 4th at the 1990 Olympia. He felt he got robbed there, and figuring he'd never win the Olympia, no matter how in-shape he was, he jumped ship.

Mike Quinn had multiple top-10 Olympia placings, as did Berry DeMey. Pearson won several IFBB pro shows (both singles and mixed pairs).

Johnnie Morant, David Dearth and Danny Padilla were in the top 5 at the 1990 NOC. Padilla, after a 9-year layoff, made that showing (along with a close 2nd at the Gold's Classic to another WBFer, Eddie Robinson).

"Major Guns" won his first show and placed top-10 at the 1990 Olympia.

The WBF guys were hardly has-been and certainly would have been among the top guys in the IFBB. Again, had the IFBB tested their guys the way the WBF did, Lex Luger may have ended up at Mr. Olympia.

[MCWAY]

Strydom always looked good, later owned carzy wear , and mike quinn's conditioning at the
2nd WBF show can be contributed to being  a victim  of circumstance .

What about the condition of Robinson, Zuccolotto, Christian and....well....everyone who did not place in the top 5 (except Tony Pearson).

[Figo]

strydom prior was major ifbb pro won show's,,,eddie robinson was on his way won niagra pro show in 90,demey was healed from pec tear and in great form,m quinn was mro top 10,padilla former great and comeback 90 yr was great for him ifbb,baker was new he turned pro 89/90 same with zuke ,dearth turned pro in 89 and he was placing as well in ifbb,,so they weren't bottom feeders but yes with 91 and up becoming new era with yates and co comimg on strong some of theses guys would have faded quicker if not taking wbf money,,,but many thrived when they returned 93-95 and some did well in ifbb,m quinn,jquinn,demey for some shows,dearth,baker for sure huge when he returned.

I didn't say they were bottom-feeders. I was pleased to see danny do well at the niagara behind robinson, and at the noc but he himself said after the show it was difficult keeping it up against the big boys
, baker had a future,
 zuccolotto, dearth would not have had much more of an impact, as you know in 91 things started to change, size wise with condition
 only really competitive guys there were strydom , baker and eddie robinson, christian not complete, and head not in it
 mike quinn on way down.
I don't blame them for wanting a paycheck

[Figo]

Wrong on that one.

As NJFlex stated, Strydom won several IFBB pro shows, prior to the WBF. Christian won the Pro World Championships (the forerunner to the Arnold Classic) and placed 4th at the 1990 Olympia. He felt he got robbed there, and figuring he'd never win the Olympia, no matter how in-shape he was, he jumped ship.

Mike Quinn had multiple top-10 Olympia placings, as did Berry DeMey. Pearson won several IFBB pro shows (both singles and mixed pairs).

Johnnie Morant, David Dearth and Danny Padilla were in the top 5 at the 1990 NOC. Padilla, after a 9-year layoff, made that showing (along with a close 2nd at the Gold's Classic to another WBFer, Eddie Robinson).

"Major Guns" won his first show and placed top-10 at the 1990 Olympia.

The WBF guys were hardly has-been and certainly would have been among the top guys in the IFBB. Again, had the IFBB tested their guys the way the WBF did, Lex Luger may have ended up at Mr. Olympia.

Strydom was the top wbf guy, he couldn't say no, made a killing

Mike quinn was good, but done

Jim quinn was good, huge, a matarazzo of his day, not so good in shows

Pearsons days in single comps were done

Danny couldve tried to stay on, I wish he had

Robinson, baker,wouldve done well, IMO

Don't forget, the guys could see the direction things were taking too, guys like yates, and in 92 levrone, etc coming through the anateur ranks already

Not saying they were useless, but the lure of a guaranteed paycheck beat the potentialof maybe finishing top 3 at a tier 2 show

[njflex]

Strydom was the top wbf guy, he couldn't say no, made a killing

Mike quinn was good, but done

Jim quinn was good, huge, a matarazzo of his day, not so good in shows

Pearsons days in single comps were done

Danny couldve tried to stay on, I wish he had

Robinson, baker,wouldve done well, IMO

Don't forget, the guys could see the direction things were taking too, guys like yates, and in 92 levrone, etc coming through the anateur ranks already

Not saying they were useless, but the lure of a guaranteed paycheck beat the potentialof maybe finishing top 3 at a tier 2 show

great points and we are on same page pretty much,,,mike quinn did have top 5 at noc i think 95/95 dearth looked great there as well...

[MCWAY]

Strydom was the top wbf guy, he couldn't say no, made a killing

Mike quinn was good, but done

Jim quinn was good, huge, a matarazzo of his day, not so good in shows

Pearsons days in single comps were done

Danny couldve tried to stay on, I wish he had

Robinson, baker,wouldve done well, IMO

Don't forget, the guys could see the direction things were taking too, guys like yates, and in 92 levrone, etc coming through the anateur ranks already

Not saying they were useless, but the lure of a guaranteed paycheck beat the potentialof maybe finishing top 3 at a tier 2 show

Quinn had one more good run in him in '94. He placed 5th at NOC, qualifying for the Olympia. However, he didn't quite nail his conditioning at the O, and placed in pack or "16th".

Eddie Robinson stayed an extra two years with Titan Sports (now known as World Wrestling Entertainment), as the poster boy for ICOPRO. Reportedly, he maintained his WBF salary of over $200,000. But, that meant he still had to be drug-tested, hence no competing in the IFBB.

As for Aaron Baker, the 1992 WBF Championship is what really put him on the map, placing 3rd behind J. Quinn or Strydom. I found it strange that few accused him of cheating the drug test, as he was only one who was actually bigger at the second show than the first show.

I'd post the videos to compare the two shows. But, I can't find the '92 footage (yet), here's the '91 version of "The Dark Angel".

[BayGBM]

How would this physique rate today?

[gracie bjj]

i was at one of kempers shows in jersey back in 80 or 81 and saw mike christian there, his arms really stood out. i was lucky in the sense that i was training in a gym with johnnie morant,guy ducasse, franco santoreillo and nick lavatolla back at that time. those where the days when bust ass training where more of a priorty then the juice, ofcoarse they used roids but these dudes training sessions where brutal

[MCWAY]

Strydom was the top wbf guy, he couldn't say no, made a killing

Mike quinn was good, but done

Jim quinn was good, huge, a matarazzo of his day, not so good in shows

Pearsons days in single comps were done

Danny couldve tried to stay on, I wish he had

Robinson, baker,wouldve done well, IMO

Don't forget, the guys could see the direction things were taking too, guys like yates, and in 92 levrone, etc coming through the anateur ranks already

Not saying they were useless, but the lure of a guaranteed paycheck beat the potentialof maybe finishing top 3 at a tier 2 show

Matarazzo and Quinn were only a year apart, in terms of pro career starts. Jim Quinn won the North American in 1990. Mike Matarazzo won the USA in 1991.

They both made their pro debut in 1991 (Quinn at the WBF championship, Matarazzo at the Olympia via special invitation).

Robinson won his first pro show and placed top 10 at his first Olympia before jumping ship. Baker went straight to WBF after winning the USA.

[Figo]

Matarazzo and Quinn were only a year apart, in terms of pro career starts. Jim Quinn won the North American in 1990. Mike Matarazzo won the USA in 1991.

They both made their pro debut in 1991 (Quinn at the WBF championship, Matarazzo at the Olympia via special invitation).

Robinson won his first pro show and placed top 10 at his first Olympia before jumping ship. Baker went straight to WBF after winning the USA.

I thought Quinn won the NAs earlier... Still, a freak like Mattarazzo

Would've been interesting to see how he'd done in IFBB, guy was BIG

Then again he came across as a smart guy, so he probably did right thing retiring

[Mr Anabolic]

During the early 1990's when the high fat diet was being promoted as a "steroid alternative", there was a contest picture of Mike Quinn in one the mags.  He was totally out of shape and looked pathetic.  The writer of the contest review said this about Mike: "He would have to lose 30 pounds before you call him smooth".  

[njflex]

During the early 1990's when the high fat diet was being promoted as a "steroid alternative", there was a contest picture of Mike Quinn in one the mags.  He was totally out of shape and looked pathetic.  The writer of the contest review said this about Mike: "He would have to lose 30 pounds before you call him smooth".  

wbf92 debacle,,,,

[michael arvilla]

A lot of the wbf guys knew they couldn't make a dent in ifbb so went for the guaranteed package at wbf

Even though it folded, they got paid, probably did better than if they'd stayed with the ifbb during that timeframe

   Better?>? (lol The WBF was throwing ridiculous money at these guys to get them to defect/i remember they were trying to Get Paul Demayo but the respect was in the IFBB/plus a lot of guys had the "wait and see" attitude to see if the wbf would last...)

[njflex]

   Better?>? (lol The WBF was throwing ridiculous money at these guys to get them to defect/i remember they were trying to Get Paul Demayo but the respect was in the IFBB/plus a lot of guys had the "wait and see" attitude to see if the wbf would last...)

AND IT WENT BYE/BYE ,,,,

[wild willie]

Mike Christian was one hell of a bodybuilder!

He had some of the most impressive triceps ever!

[MCWAY]

AND IT WENT BYE/BYE ,,,,

It went bye-bye, because of the steroid scandal McMahon endured with the WWF.

Lou Ferrigno hauled tail back to the IFBB (McMahon feebly tried to replace him with Lex Luger) and the other guys were tested for everything but the kitchen sink, thanks to Dr. Mauro Dipasquale.

wbf92 debacle,,,,

And had the Olympia guys been tested under the same conditions, we may have seen guys show up that made Mike Quinn look like Rich Gaspari.

[njflex]

It went bye-bye, because of the steroid scandal McMahon endured with the WWF.

Lou Ferrigno hauled tail back to the IFBB (McMahon feebly tried to replace him with Lex Luger) and the other guys were tested for everything but the kitchen sink, thanks to Dr. Mauro Dipasquale.



And had the Olympia guys been tested under the same conditions, we may have seen guys show up that made Mike Quinn look like Rich Gaspari.

the 1st wbf was kinda sucessful and npc/ifbb did some coverage mag wise,,,some of those guys were in the best shape of there lives and 92 killed some of them due to drug test/dr mauro's diet.

[MCWAY]

I bought the first WBF show off Amazon for about 8 bucks, though I saw the footage of the show a week after it happened on WWF Superstars.

That contest looks more like a 21st-century production that some of the shows today.

[MCWAY]

I thought Quinn won the NAs earlier... Still, a freak like Mattarazzo

Would've been interesting to see how he'd done in IFBB, guy was BIG

Then again he came across as a smart guy, so he probably did right thing retiring

Jim Quinn won the North American in 1990. The guy who won it the year before him was fellow WBFer, "The Executioner" Johnnie Morant.

[gracie bjj]

Jim Quinn won the North American in 1990. The guy who won it the year before him was fellow WBFer, "The Executioner" Johnnie Morant.

cool vid MCWAY, thanks bro. johnnie was a beast, it was a sight to see him when he trained his legs at diamond, they would get huger every set :oreally down to earth guy. i miss those days back in the 80,s and early 90,s training in jersey

[delta9mda]

Don't forget the guy who beat Franco Santoriello for the overall '89 National title, Troy Zuccolotto.

His first pro show:

two guys in leather pants were my boss' back in the day. they promoted the show and i worked it. all competitors looked freaking great. those were the days.

[MCWAY]

two guys in leather pants were my boss' back in the day. they promoted the show and i worked it. all competitors looked freaking great. those were the days.

Which show, The '89 Nationals or the '91 WBF championship?

[NarcissisticDeity]

   Better?>? (lol The WBF was throwing ridiculous money at these guys to get them to defect/i remember they were trying to Get Paul Demayo but the respect was in the IFBB/plus a lot of guys had the "wait and see" attitude to see if the wbf would last...)

They offered Dorian a ton of loot too

[MCWAY]

They offered Dorian a ton of loot too

Same happened with Rich Gaspari. He said in an IronMan interview that he was a heartbeat away from taking the money. But, part of him still wanted to win the Olympia. He kicks himself for not jumping ship, because the IFBB let the WBF guys come back (at least, those who were IFBB pros first).

Gaspari got an offer, similar to that deal the WBF offered to rookie Jim Quinn: two years, $250,000.

McMahon even offered Bob Chicherillo a spot in the WBF.