18 years old - if staying on full time how would if affect me getting kids?

[Lebaneselion]

Well, you're too young to even be messing with steroids IMO. People can argue with this all day long, but there's a good chance your body is still in somewhat of a fragile state...too fragile to handle a large influx of hormones. Of course, there's a chance it may not be, you may have fully matured but I would have my doubts. Personally, I'd give it a couple more years.

Anyway, as for the question, sure, you can still have kids but your odds go down if you stay on non-stop and they'll continually go down the longer you stay on. Further, staying on non-stop year after year...I don't care what half of these idiots on this board say, there's no need for that. For crying out loud, pro bodybuilders, some of the biggest steroid users on earth, most of them come off for a couple months a year...why can't you?

Thanks for that man apreciated..... Can u recomened a way i can keep most of my gains?

[Max B]

Well, you're too young to even be messing with steroids IMO. People can argue with this all day long, but there's a good chance your body is still in somewhat of a fragile state...too fragile to handle a large influx of hormones. Of course, there's a chance it may not be, you may have fully matured but I would have my doubts. Personally, I'd give it a couple more years.

Anyway, as for the question, sure, you can still have kids but your odds go down if you stay on non-stop and they'll continually go down the longer you stay on. Further, staying on non-stop year after year...I don't care what half of these idiots on this board say, there's no need for that. For crying out loud, pro bodybuilders, some of the biggest steroid users on earth, most of them come off for a couple months a year...why can't you?

What do you mean? why would you come off test completely? aren't you on hrt yourself?  a few months outta the year come off everything , stay on low dose test if you want 200mgs weekly max and just blast the shit out of hcg and clomid.....

[Lebaneselion]

What do you mean? why would you come off test completely? aren't you on hrt yourself?  a few months outta the year come off everything , stay on low dose test if you want 200mgs weekly max and just blast the shit out of hcg and clomid.....

Ok so u recomend about 3 months off a year? But while off still
Stay on test? So in reAlity im not really off.... During that period would it be easier to get children?

[Max B]

if your aim is just to get a girl pregnant during this time no test or anything just hcg and clomid.... and you're probably going to need cialis if you've been on for a while, your natural test would be at lowest low

[Lebaneselion]

if your aim is just to get a girl pregnant during this time no test or anything just hcg and clomid.... and you're probably going to need cialis if you've been on for a while, your natural test would be at lowest low

Thanks for the help mate
Where can i find info on staying year round? Currently only on 500mg test e

[Arnold jr]

What do you mean? why would you come off test completely? aren't you on hrt yourself?  a few months outta the year come off everything , stay on low dose test if you want 200mgs weekly max and just blast the shit out of hcg and clomid.....

Yes, I'm on TRT out of necessity, because I don't produce enough of my own anymore...I need it to function as a normal human being. It doesn't have anything to do with performance, all it does is keep me functioning.

If you have any desire to maintain any kind of decent natural testosterone production you have to come off every now and then and recovery. If that's not a concern, then sure, I guess it doesn't matter. And blasting HCG, well, it depends on your definition of "blast" but I've seen more guys ruin their test levels with improper HCG use than anything else. HCG is awesome and very beneficial but there's a fine line.

[Arnold jr]

Thanks for that man apreciated..... Can u recomened a way i can keep most of my gains?

If you're on more than you're off, if your total time on is extended and you allow your body to become accustomed to the gains, back off your total volume of training when your off because you'll need more recovery time, and simply make sure you're eating enough when off, there's no reason on earth for your gains to all disappear if you come off a month or two...or even three. You start going past the three month off mark, then sure, things begin to change in a downward fashion.

[Lebaneselion]

If you're on more than you're off, if your total time on is extended and you allow your body to become accustomed to the gains, back off your total volume of training when your off because you'll need more recovery time, and simply make sure you're eating enough when off, there's no reason on earth for your gains to all disappear if you come off a month or two...or even three. You start going past the three month off mark, then sure, things begin to change in a downward fashion.

So 12 weeks on 12 weeks off and i shouldnt lose any gains? Because i did lose most if not all last time i did that..

[Arnold jr]

So 12 weeks on 12 weeks off and i shouldnt lose any gains? Because i did lose most if not all last time i did that..

I never said that and if that's what it sounded like it wasn't supposed to.

If you were to follow a 12wk on 12wk off schedule that would mean you're not on half the year....I said it would work if you were on more than you were off even if you took off 2-3 months a year.

A pretty regular schedule for a lot of competitors is around 40wks on, the remainder off. That doesn't mean you're full blown cycling the entire 40wks, thereare probably periods of low test doses when you're just cruising but the majority is full blast.

At that point, most guys are glad to come off for a bit. It's very common to see guys take a break if they're done competing for the year. At that point, most are worn out and just need a break, they need some normal for lack of a better word. I can think of two pros off the top of my head who both after the Olympia, after they were done making post Olympia appearances didn't even train for a couple months. And yes, both took a break hormone wise, short ones but you can tell when people do.

[Max B]

If you're on more than you're off, if your total time on is extended and you allow your body to become accustomed to the gains, back off your total volume of training when your off because you'll need more recovery time, and simply make sure you're eating enough when off, there's no reason on earth for your gains to all disappear if you come off a month or two...or even three. You start going past the three month off mark, then sure, things begin to change in a downward fashion.

I agree with this

[Lebaneselion]

I never said that and if that's what it sounded like it wasn't supposed to.

If you were to follow a 12wk on 12wk off schedule that would mean you're not on half the year....I said it would work if you were on more than you were off even if you took off 2-3 months a year.

A pretty regular schedule for a lot of competitors is around 40wks on, the remainder off. That doesn't mean you're full blown cycling the entire 40wks, thereare probably periods of low test doses when you're just cruising but the majority is full blast.

At that point, most guys are glad to come off for a bit. It's very common to see guys take a break if they're done competing for the year. At that point, most are worn out and just need a break, they need some normal for lack of a better word. I can think of two pros off the top of my head who both after the Olympia, after they were done making post Olympia appearances didn't even train for a couple months. And yes, both took a break hormone wise, short ones but you can tell when people do.

Thankyou very much bro apreciate your time for the reply.
Can you suggest me a place i can look for blasting and cruising

[aesthetics]

if i could do it over again, i would started on tren and d-bol at the age of 15. what's the point of waiting until you get older to get on gear if you already finished growing in your teens? not like when your body is 2 years older it will somehow handle and react to hormones differently.

[Lebaneselion]

if i could do it over again, i would started on tren and d-bol at the age of 15. what's the point of waiting until you get older to get on gear if you already finished growing in your teens? not like when your body is 2 years older it will somehow handle and react to hormones differently.

Wont that stuff u up htpa wise ??

[Treninghard]

Wont that stuff u up htpa wise ??

why even starting steroids if ur scared of fucking ur hpta, just stay natural

[Arnold jr]

if i could do it over again, i would started on tren and d-bol at the age of 15. what's the point of waiting until you get older to get on gear if you already finished growing in your teens? not like when your body is 2 years older it will somehow handle and react to hormones differently.

It's not just about you reaching your growth limit. Sure, maybe you've reached that point but odds are strong you have not matured internally to the fullest extent at this point, and due to this fact, this is where real damage can be done.

[aesthetics]

It's not just about you reaching your growth limit. Sure, maybe you've reached that point but odds are strong you have not matured internally to the fullest extent at this point, and due to this fact, this is where real damage can be done.

in what way specifically? what do you mean by "matured internally" that seems like it's just some scaremongering over speculation.

we all have androgens inside of us, being we are all males here (i think?), and it's what causes us to mature as males, and adding more androgens does have negatives effects (like aging the skin, hairloss, prostate issues, etc...) but as far as it effecting how our organs or whatever grow? i don't believe that.

also, androgens make your penis grow larger, so it's one of the things i'm sure guys wouldn't mind to happen from steroids changing the way they "mature"

[Hiitsmichael]

I think the most important factor in hormone use is education, if you have a ggood understanding of hotmones and how they effect you at 15 (assuming you've grown to a reasonable size) then you are probably better off starting gear than an uneducated 30 year old.


As far as kids many many people have reproduced after Years on cycle, if you're that worried about it don't do it. You're a big boy and you know how to prioritize your life. I don't want to come off mean but I am 18 also so I understand where you're coming from and a few months ago I had to weigh the pros and cons as well.

[Lebaneselion]

I think the most important factor in hormone use is education, if you have a ggood understanding of hotmones and how they effect you at 15 (assuming you've grown to a reasonable size) then you are probably better off starting gear than an uneducated 30 year old.


As far as kids many many people have reproduced after Years on cycle, if you're that worried about it don't do it. You're a big boy and you know how to prioritize your life. I don't want to come off mean but I am 18 also so I understand where you're coming from and a few months ago I had to weigh the pros and cons as well.

Thanks bro.....
So im just tryna see how would i do it year round as in when would i add in compounds and at what dosage where did u get ur info?

[Hiitsmichael]

It depends on your goals, what do you want out of steroids? And personally I spent a very long time reading various boards and taking the things I read with a grain of salt.

[Lebaneselion]

It depends on your goals, what do you want out of steroids? And personally I spent a very long time reading various boards and taking the things I read with a grain of salt.

Tbh i just ana get as big as i can with a aesthetic look not just bulky look

[Hiitsmichael]

Tbh i just ana get as big as i can with a aesthetic look not just bulky look

Then growth hormone and tren with low dose test will be your best friend, masteron when you want to get dry and high test when you've had high dose gh in your blood for awhile. Don't mess around with test only, I would start with trial blend 50 tren a/50 mast/ 50 prop or low test and 75-100mg tren a eod and work your way up with doses. Though I have no idea what you look like this is just a starting point. Ill personally only. Blast cruise but if you want to come off that's your chkice

[aesthetics]

Tbh i just ana get as big as i can with a aesthetic look not just bulky look

the trick to not looking bulky is getting real low bodyfat first. if you get to 5-6% bodyfat, then even the steroids that make you "bloofy" won't have much of an effect on you, since the sub-q water weight really just expands your existing bodyfat and makes it much larger in size and make you look fatter. but, if you are already real lean, like 5% you can run anadrol and you can still look amazing and your lines will still be apparent.

if you are already 15% bodyfat though, pretty much just stick with tren, since everything else will add water weight to a certain degree though, test, deca, d-bol and anadrol you'd want to avoid entirely. primo, var, EQ, 1-test, and of course tren, is what you want to stick with to keep from getting too bulky looking.

[Lebaneselion]

the tick to not looking bulky is getting real low bodyfat first. if you get to 5-6% bodyfat, then even the steroids that make you "bloofy" won't have much of an effect on you, since the sub-q water weight really just expands your existing bodyfat and makes it much larger in size and make you look fatter. but, if you are already real lean, like 5% you can run anadrol and you can still look amazing and your lines will still be apparent.

if you are already 15% bodyfat though, pretty much just stuck with tren, since everything else will add water weight to a certain degree though, test, deca, d-bol and anadrol you'd want to avoid entirely. primo, var, EQ, 1-test, and of course tren, is what you want to stick with to keep from getting too bulky looking.

Im not to sure of my body fat - my abs are visible and i have a lot of veins lol!
So how would i switch to the next compound? Im on 500mg test now

[aesthetics]

if you got abs and you can see veins in your lower abs then you are pretty low bodyfat.

you can see your lower abs or not? those don't start to come out until below 10% bodyfat. anyways, if you are that lean and you can see your abs and veins in your lower abs then 500mg test probably not making much of a difference - don't know, you should be able to tell better yourself how you look?

[Lebaneselion]

if you got abs and you can see veins in your lower abs then you are pretty low bodyfat.

you can see your lower abs or not? those don't start to come out until below 10% bodyfat. anyways, if you are that lean and you can see your abs and veins in your lower abs then 500mg test probably not making much of a difference - don't know, you should be able to tell better yourself how you look?

No my lower abs are not visible and no i dont have veins on lower abs... The problem is i didnt wana cut as i was scared of loosing size and my arms only measure 16inch and my goal is around 18-20