Despite me raising this issue several times you've never answered (that I've noticed) the question - who/what determines what the "correct" way of posing is?? Is it written somewhere? Or just an unwritten assumed rule? Who has confirmed what the "correct" way of doing a side chest is for example, or front relaxed, etc.
Oh nos I'm scared to answer Bobs questions
give me a break I just started rereading this thread and noticed you were trolling in it. And you refuse to answer anything and yet are looking for answers
The correct way to pose is technically to pose the most effectively while hiding your weaknesses ( if possible ) and yes there is a correct way of posing ( thanks again for acknowledging you don't know how contests are judged
yet and say with confidence who is winning a shot )
DESCRIPTION OF THE QUARTER TURNS
The following is a detailed description of the four quarter turns, which shall be initiated from the front-facing position:
Quarter Turn Right:
Relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, left arm hanging relaxed and slightly back from the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the direction of the body, hand slightly cupped, right arm hanging relaxed and slightly front of the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the body, hand slightly cupped. The positioning of the arms will cause the upper body to twist slightly to the left, with the left shoulder lowered and the right shoulder raised. This is normal and must not be exaggerated. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Quarter Turn Back:
Facing the back of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Quarter Turn Right:
Relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, right arm hanging relaxed and slightly back from the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the direction of the body, hand slightly cupped, left arm hanging relaxed and slightly front of the center-line of the body with a slight bend at the elbow, thumb and fingers together, palm facing the body, hand slightly cupped. The positioning of the arms will cause the upper body to twist slightly to the right, with the right shoulder lowered and the left shoulder raised. This is normal and must not be exaggerated. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
Quarter Turn Front:
Facing the front of the stage, relaxed erect stance, head and eyes facing the same direction as the body, heels together, feet inclined outward at a 30° angle, knees together and unbent, stomach in, chest out, shoulders back, both arms hanging relaxed and at the side along the center-line of the body, elbows slightly bent, thumbs and fingers together, palms facing the body, hands slightly cupped, tips of the fingers resting lightly on the hips. This position is a relaxed stance. Flexing of the muscles is prohibited. Competitors who fail to adopt the proper stance will receive one warning.
APPENDIX B to the EECT TECHNICAL RULES
DESCRIPTION OF THE SEVEN COMPULSORY POSES FOR MEN
Front Double Biceps
Standing facing the judges, with legs a short distance apart, the competitor will raise both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows. The hands should be clenched and turned down. This will cause the biceps and forearm muscles to contract, which are the main muscle groups to be assessed in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt to contract as many muscles as possible because the judges will be surveying the whole physique. When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a routine procedure that will allow a comprehensive assessment of the physique as a whole. In the compulsory poses, he or she should first look at the primary muscle group being displayed. The judge should survey the whole of the physique, starting from the head and looking at every part in a downward sequence, beginning with general impressions, looking for muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density, and definition. The downward survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in, abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves, and feet. The same procedure for back poses will also take in upper and lower trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spina, the gluteus group, leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups can be made during the comparisons when it helps the judge to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still bearing in mind overall balanced development.
Front Lat Spread
Standing facing the judges, with feet a short distance apart, the competitor will place the hands, preferably clenched, against the lower waist and will expand the latissimus muscles. At the same time, the competitor should attempt to contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. The judge should first see whether the competitor can show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should continue with the head to feet survey as in the first pose, noting first the general aspects and then concentrating on the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.
Side Chest
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is displaying his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges. He will bend the front arm nearest to the judges to a right angle position with the fist clenched and with the other hand will grasp the wrist. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will expand the chest, and by upward pressure of the front bent arm, contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also contract the thigh muscles, in particular the biceps femoris group and by downward pressure on his toes will display contracted calf muscles. The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg biceps, and the calves and will conclude his survey once again with the head to feet examination.
Back Double Biceps
The competitor will stand with his back to the judges; he will bend the arms and wrists as in the front double biceps and will place one foot back resting on the toes. He will contract the arm muscles as well as the muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh, and calf muscles. The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then survey the head to feet, during which there are more muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses, including: neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm, trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will help to determine the quality of the competitor’s muscle density and definition and overall balance.
Back Lat Spread
The competitor will stand with his back to the judges and place his hands on his waist with the elbows kept wide, one foot back resting on the toes. He will then contract the latissimus dorsi as widely as possible and display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the rear toes. The judges will look for a good spread of the latissimus dorsi but also for good muscle density and will again conclude with the head to feet survey.
Side Triceps
The competitor can choose either side for this pose, so that he is showing the judges his better arm. He will stand with his left or right side towards the judges and will place both arms behind his back. He can either link his fingers or grasp the front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The front leg nearest to the judges will be bent at the knee and will rest on the toes. The competitor will exert pressure against his front arm thereby causing the triceps muscle to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the abdominal muscle as well as the thigh and calf muscles. The judge will first survey the triceps display and then conclude with the head to foot examination.
In this pose and the side chest pose, the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will help him to grade their comparative development more accurately.
Abdominals and Thighs
Standing facing the judges, the competitor will place both arms behind the head and place one leg forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by “crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time, he will contract the thigh muscles in the forward leg. The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles and then conclude with the head to foot examination. The importance of theses comparisons cannot be over emphasized. These will help the judge in deciding which competitor has the superior physique from the aspects of muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density, and definition. These are among the reasons Dorian DOMINATED everyone and no one ever came close. Nasser didn't beat Dorian in ANY POSE in 1995 AT ALL , 1995 Mr Olympia was one of the most dominate performances of any Mr Olympia in the history of the sport , it ranks along 1993.
Dorian was superior according to that criteria in every way shape and form over everyone Nasser was a very distant 3rd and lucky to be compared to Dorian.
Please feel free to dismiss these facts and just keep contradicting them as usual you have a long history of it.
Again if you don't know how contests are judged then how can you come to an intelligent , cognizant opinion on who is winning? YOU CAN'T
Like Hulkster I like the way my hero looks better so he should win
