Author Topic: If you were God how would you exist for ever and ever (Read 7174 times)

Tapeworm · « **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:32:01 AM »

If God is omnipotent then he can exert influence anywhere as well as anywhen. Since the ability to perform an action implies existence at that moment, God would a pan-temporal being who wouldn't experience a perpetuation of existence from moment to moment as we do. He would exist simultaneously at all moments and not experience time as something which passes but rather as something across which he extends.

Wiggs · « **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:22:48 AM »

T-Bombz drug addict talk and Unterman's hillbilly wisdom.

aesthetics · « **Reply #27 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:36:45 AM »

hey johnny, you are a cool guy. that's all i wanted to say.

Tito24 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:43:14 AM »

Tito24 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:45:02 AM »

viking1 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:46:03 AM »

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OTHstrong · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:49:09 AM »

Quote from: Tapeworm on January 21, 2012, 09:32:01 AM

If God is omnipotent then he can exert influence anywhere as well as anywhen. Since the ability to perform an action implies existence at that moment, God would a pan-temporal being who wouldn't experience a perpetuation of existence from moment to moment as we do. He would exist simultaneously at all moments and not experience time as something which passes but rather as something across which he extends.

Correct, also he would be outside of space and wouldn't be made out of matter because he created it

StanZoLOL · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:54:38 AM »

What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us. Trying to find his way home...

OTHstrong · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:59:34 AM »

Quote from: SimplyHuge on January 21, 2012, 10:53:19 AM

In order to create something new, by definition it cannot already exist. So if God created TIME, space, and matter, then by definition he cannot have previously existed in a world governed by time, space, and matter. He created time, so he cannot have a beginning or an ending.

That's what I was trying to say, but was a poor attempt, yours very well put

Marty Champions · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:11:28 PM »

god being omnipotent doesnt automatically qualify him to be present in all things at all times. He created everything but after he did that these creations where on there own abiding by natural laws

god said heres the bike, now peddle it

Marty Champions · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:26:13 PM »

Quote from: SimplyHuge on January 21, 2012, 10:53:19 AM

In order to create something new, by definition it cannot already exist. So if God created TIME, space, and matter, then by definition he cannot have previously existed in a world governed by time, space, and matter. He created time, so he cannot have a beginning or an ending.

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you say time but what really is going on is movement in space thats either evolution or chemical reactions

whos to say god did or didnot quit his job as god and got tired of all this after he gave us "bikes" and now we are peddling them without his help but only the help of "natural laws". we are kinda far from knowing all the natural laws theres much to be learned that we are blind to

perhaps the intelligence got to god and he realized it was best to quit and let all of his creation find there ways to the higher realms on there own, since we are kinda equipped with this potential

im pretty sure god didnt quit after zillions of years existing of course years/time probably dont even exist with him, there is so much that god couldve done , he could totally NOT exist anymore or he could still be around reluctantly

dr.chimps · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:28:00 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Falcon on January 21, 2012, 01:11:28 PM

god being omnipotent doesnt automatically qualify him to be present in all things at all times. He created everything but after he did that these creations where on there own abiding by natural laws

god said heres the bike, now peddle it

Actually, that's what the job description entails, Senor.

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:28:54 PM »

Quote from: wes on January 21, 2012, 07:46:25 AM

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Rami · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:42:55 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Falcon on January 21, 2012, 07:23:07 AM

do you think you could keep yourself busy or do you think you would self destruct somewhere along the line

what if you couldnt kill yourself. look at it both ways

maybe God already did self destruct, more than one time, even died more than one time.

as a safeguard if something goes wrong just like with normal life. but it probably happens very seldom.

perhaps as fate would have it the best person in line so to speak, get's to reincarnate as God and thus he will exists as long as there is life and always be the most good minded mind possible.

Marty Champions · « **Reply #39 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:43:21 PM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on January 21, 2012, 01:28:00 PM

Actually, that's what the job description entails, Senor.

im saying he gave the responsibilty to us, shure hes in us and everything but the responsibility lies within our hearts and brains that can lead us to a good destiny or not

omnipotent means unlimited power, i dont think god is always using unlimited power in unlimited things but on the flip side perhaps that unlimited power is what it takes as the "glue" to keep everything you see around you and within together

we were created to have some sort of responsibility for our actions thus gods ominipotence is nullified by this on purpose by god

wes · « **Reply #40 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:45:26 PM »

Quote from: StanZoLOL on January 21, 2012, 10:54:38 AM

What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us. Trying to find his way home...

Dude,you`re on a fucking roll today! LOL

wes · « **Reply #41 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:46:19 PM »

This threads like a bad acid trip!

Rami · « **Reply #42 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:53:22 PM »

god is probably working on himself pretty hard right now, he created us in is own image right? so he must have realized he has self destructive tendencies by now.

we are pre-programmed by god to create god, which means our quest is to create his bride? the Large Hadron Collider and the internet it probably some type of milestones in this purpose

Growth NOOB · « **Reply #43 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:56:10 PM »

Quote from: SimplyHuge on January 21, 2012, 10:53:19 AM

In order to create something new, by definition it cannot already exist. So if God created TIME, space, and matter, then by definition he cannot have previously existed in a world governed by time, space, and matter. He created time, so he cannot have a beginning or an ending.

Cool baseless assertions bro.

Marty Champions · « **Reply #44 on:** January 21, 2012, 01:57:58 PM »

Quote from: Rami on January 21, 2012, 01:53:22 PM

god is probably working on himself pretty hard right now, he created us in is own image right? so he must have realized he has self destructive tendencies by now.

we are pre-programmed by god to create god, which means our quest is to create his bride? the Large Hadron Collider and the internet it probably some type of milestones in this purpose

god may have unlimited power but it doesnt mean he always uses it for "his" or our purposes

god could be lazy with his unlimited power or distracted or doesnt have a clear objective in mind. his objective may change a zillion tmes a day.

Marty Champions · « **Reply #45 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:02:18 PM »

Quote from: Rami on January 21, 2012, 01:53:22 PM

god is probably working on himself pretty hard right now, he created us in is own image right? so he must have realized he has self destructive tendencies by now.

we are pre-programmed by god to create god, which means our quest is to create his bride? the Large Hadron Collider and the internet it probably some type of milestones in this purpose

yes we couldve been created to make or be his best friend

Rami · « **Reply #46 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:03:42 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Falcon on January 21, 2012, 01:57:58 PM

god may have unlimited power but it doesnt mean he always uses it for "his" or our purposes

god could be lazy with his unlimited power or distracted or doesnt have a clear objective in mind

true, chances are he is napping from time to time, else he would never dream. he doesn't have the same perspective of time as we so it could be "a while" be fore he wakes up and checks in on what happened the last 5000 thousand years

tbombz · « **Reply #47 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:07:09 PM »

Quote from: Tapeworm on January 21, 2012, 09:32:01 AM

If God is omnipotent then he can exert influence anywhere as well as anywhen. Since the ability to perform an action implies existence at that moment, God would a pan-temporal being who wouldn't experience a perpetuation of existence from moment to moment as we do. He would exist simultaneously at all moments and not experience time as something which passes but rather as something across which he extends.

i dont think so , omnipotence doesnt imply the power to make a statement both true and false at the same time, it doesnt mean you can make a logical truth untrue. time isnt something that can be navigated. it just happens.

however, i could be wrong..

Marty Champions · « **Reply #48 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:07:32 PM »

Quote from: Rami on January 21, 2012, 02:03:42 PM

true, chances are he is napping from time to time, else he would never dream. he doesn't have the same perspective of time as we so it could be "a while" be fore he wakes up and checks in on what happened the last 5000 thousand years

atleast we can rest assure for fact that his short term intentions are good , meaning that if we are an asshole and make bad decisions it will come back to us sooner or later in the form of bad karma

hopefully his short term earthly intentions for us are the same for the "long term"

we can easily see the reward and fruits of our good labors, that is very assuring

thats the only way i can be assured

i cant be assured by just following the christian mantra of "beleive in jesus youll be saved" that defies the creators intented logic built within us

Marty Champions · « **Reply #49 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:12:06 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on January 21, 2012, 02:07:09 PM

i dont think so , omnipotence doesnt imply the power to make a statement both true and false at the same time, it doesnt mean you can make a logical truth untrue. time isnt something that can be navigated. it just happens.

however, i could be wrong..

omnipotent means unlimited so yes it can imply making a statement both true and false