Going to failure in training

[the trainer]

There are two types of bodybuilder, one you believes that you should take your sets to complete failure where your muscles are burnt and you cannot do another rep that is how you build muscle.
 Then you have the bodybuilder who believes that you should not take all sets to complete failure, because once you feel a burn in the muscle that is enough and beyond that could lead to injury and over training what do you believe what is your training style.

[PJim]

There are two types of bodybuilder, one you believes that you should take your sets to complete failure where your muscles are burnt and you cannot do another rep that is how you build muscle.
 Then you have the bodybuilder who believes that you should not take all sets to complete failure, because once you feel a burn in the muscle that is enough and beyond that could lead to injury and over training what do you believe what is your training style.

Come again?

[local hero]

There are two types of bodybuilder, one you believes that you should take your sets to complete failure where your muscles are burnt and you cannot do another rep that is how you build muscle.
 Then you have the bodybuilder who believes that you should not take all sets to complete failure, because once you feel a burn in the muscle that is enough and beyond that could lead to injury and over training what do you believe what is your training style.

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homo?

[Oly15]

Let's save this thread by having people post the rep range they generally use for upper body and then the rep range they use for lower body.

Begin.

[the trainer]

Come again?

Bodybuilders like Sergio oliva believed in the pump so he would do like 20 sets for biceps not to complete failure but focusing on the pump. then you will have other bodybuilders who do each set to complete failure meaning on the last set they struggle to do the last rep and the muscle is completely exhausted.

[the trainer]

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homo?

No homo, but if you are looking for homo I can hook you up with big john the hairy bear i am sure he will take care of you.

[Papper]

Let's save this thread by having people post the rep range they generally use for upper body and then the rep range they use for lower body.

Begin.

Rep range for lower body is one giant set until i cum in a wastebasket

[Tito24]

i go to failure every time with your mom

[haider]

going to failure is associated with CNS fatigue, so giving up the last rep makes sense. Especially if you train high volume.

But I dunno if the CNS thing really is true.

[g101]

 

[the trainer]

i go to failure every time with your mom

 Indeed you do go to failure, you fail to take a shower, you fail to brush your teeth and you fail to get an erection, I would say jump in front of a bus but you would fail that also.  

[supernick]

till--falure--o--the--last--set

[tbombz]

when i first started lifting i trained 7 days per week, 20-40 sets per body part, to failur on every single set. 8-12 rep range.

worked real good for a year and a half or so, after that i made zero gains. would get great pumps, never any forward progress though.

started using gear about 2 years later, made some good progress. after about 6 months on gear, stopped making progress.

changed my training style a year ago to sub failure and lots of rest in between sets. started making progress again.

stopped making progress about 4 months ago. started focusing more on contracting the muscles instead of just feeling them. dropped the weight. still sub failure and still lots of rest between sets.  making progress again.

rep range upper bdoy usually about 10 reps.  lower body about 15 reps.  total colume these days never more than 10 sets for a body part. smaller muscles sometimes just 2 or 3 sets total.

training schedule = every other day. body broken up into two workouts, so everything gets hit every 4th day.

[Rami]

another gym hero training to failoure

[Raymondo]

I go to failure. It wipes me. I leave the gym looking like tired and drawn, like a fucking corpse.

[Julio Ceasar]

Non failure is the shit. Never feel weak, never feel sore, always strong!

[chess315]

Non failure is the shit. Never feel weak, never feel sore, always strong!

it is obvious the strongest guys in the world tend to avoid failure training but who know for muscle growth I doubt it matters for the most part.

[Palpatine Q]

Depends on whether you are natty or not...when I was natural I would cycle my training intensity religiously, always trying to walk the edge between overtraining and growing, it's almost impossible to do..and you have to learn to cut back on your intensity every now and again or you will overtrain. I would always tell people "your enthusiasm outstrips your ability to recover"  you have to know when to say "enough"  because any trainer worth his salt can bang the weights until he's utterly destroyed...but there's no way in hell you recover from that naturally.

On drugs....different "sport" entirely. The only similarity between training naturally and training "on" is that you use the same weights. Training on gear is simple chemistry...I know now..300mgs. of tren ace a week = 230 lean.  if I want to get bigger, I will have to take more drugs...it doesn't matter how I train...assuming you're not a bitch and you work out hard. It's the way it is.

[NeilGM]

If you can do 10+ reps your are not lifting enough weight. They more reps you do the more you tax the cardio system and not the muscle. Yes you can grow muscle on using light weights and high reps but you will get there quicker in my opinion if you push higher weight (in good form) over higher reps aslong as the rep range is not stupidly low (1-2) most of the time.
Im my opinion you should lift 2-4 sets depending on how much intensity you can deliver from each set onto the given muscle/muscle group. You should do the given weight until failure, once you can do say 7-10 reps for 3-4 sets you need to increase the weight. Works a treat, you get strong quickly and add size quickly.
The most important thing to remember is every time you enter the gym and trainin a given body part/group you should be lifting either more weight or increasing the reps from the previous session every time, if you cannot you are either not resting enough or not eating enough 90% of the time. It does not matter if the increase is only 1 rep or 1lb, you are improving every time, getting stronger and eventually you will grow bigger

[wes]

Depends on whether you are natty or not...when I was natural I would cycle my training intensity religiously, always trying to walk the edge between overtraining and growing, it's almost impossible to do..and you have to learn to cut back on your intensity every now and again or you will overtrain. I would always tell people "your enthusiasm outstrips your ability to recover"  you have to know when to say "enough"  because any trainer worth his salt can bang the weights until he's utterly destroyed...but there's no way in hell you recover from that naturally.

On drugs....different "sport" entirely. The only similarity between training naturally and training "on" is that you use the same weights. Training on gear is simple chemistry...I know now..300mgs. of tren ace a week = 230 lean.  if I want to get bigger, I will have to take more drugs...it doesn't matter how I train...assuming you're not a bitch and you work out hard. It's the way it is.

Good post!

[FAST LANE]

if I want to get bigger, I will have to take more drugs...it doesn't matter how I train...assuming you're not a bitch and you work out hard. It's the way it is.

Yup!!  

[slaveboy1980]

The most important thing to remember is every time you enter the gym and trainin a given body part/group you should be lifting either more weight or increasing the reps from the previous session every time, if you cannot you are either not resting enough or not eating enough 90% of the time. It does not matter if the increase is only 1 rep or 1lb, you are improving every time, getting stronger and eventually you will grow bigger

bullshit. this is not gonna happen after you have been training a while and it's the same old HIT crap. No one makes increases in a linear fashion from workout to workout unless they are total noobs. you should definately drive up strength as a natural as progressive tension overload is the no 1 driver for muscle growth but no one makes strength gains every workout.

[wes]

One thing I`ll add is that in these discussions nobody ever agrees entirely on what`s the best way to train.

Simple solution is to just do what works for you and to always keep an open mind about trying new things.

Some respond best to heavier weight,lower reps,with long breaks in between sets,others,the exact opposite.

Periodization is a smart thing to use as a training tool whether enhanced or natural...........you can`t always go full bore all the time.

[wes]

bullshit. this is not gonna happen after you have been training a while and it's the same old HIT crap. No one makes increases in a linear fashion from workout to workout unless they are total noobs. you should definately drive up strength as a natural as progressive tension overload is the no 1 driver for muscle growth but no one makes strength gains every workout.

Agreed!

[oldtimer1]

Going to failure is a tool to be used. It shouldn't be the basis of your routine. I think teens and trainers in their early twenties should really push the failure envelope.  But as someone else posted an experienced trainer can't make strength gains in a linear fashion. After training for 10, 20, or 30 years or more are you still trying for personal bests every training cycle? 

If you truly went to failure you wouldn't be able to do a second set anywhere near the first set. If you took a weight and truly failed at 10 reps there should be no way you could get another 10 reps. The problem is many slacker trainers think they went to failure and then they can do the second set again at 10 reps.

Power lifters and Olympic lifters don't train to failure.  At the end of their cycle maybe but there is no way they are hitting failure every training session. If the strongest lifters are not going to failure all the time they train why should bodybuilders?

I think a better method is volume. Say you do 5 sets of 8 reps of curls. The first four sets you do 8 reps and the fifth you fail at 6 reps. That is a failure method where training to failure is a tool.