Author Topic: 3 Strikes and You're Out Laws (Read 1580 times)

Skip8282 · « **on:** January 26, 2012, 06:38:45 PM »

Fair or unfair?

Do they even make sense? Seem to be based on baseball, not anything scientific (at least I can't find any science showing less recidivism with 3 strikes, etc.).

I'm gonna have to say....without the science, it's probably non-sensical. But, if there is science behind it and I just can't find it, I'm open to change!

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2012, 06:45:55 PM »

Don't agree w them.

OzmO · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2012, 07:10:24 PM »

Don't know.

But I like the 3 felonies and it's a mandatory 25

Dos Equis · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2012, 07:13:44 PM »

A three-time loser will be a ten-time loser. Get them off the streets. There should be some flexibility, but I like the concept.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2012, 08:22:09 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on January 26, 2012, 07:13:44 PM

A three-time loser will be a ten-time loser. Get them off the streets. There should be some flexibility, but I like the concept.

See Rummel v. Estelle

tonymctones · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2012, 08:49:20 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on January 26, 2012, 08:22:09 PM

See Rummel v. Estelle

see the probability of being sentenced to prison time after being released from prison...

While agree with the arbitrary nature of the rule, I think its fairly reasonable to be honest.

howardroark · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2012, 11:12:41 PM »

Three strikes and you're out laws are fucking retarded.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2012, 11:58:01 PM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 26, 2012, 11:12:41 PM

Three strikes and you're out laws are fucking retarded.

Quote from: Beach Bum on January 26, 2012, 07:13:44 PM

A three-time loser will be a ten-time loser. Get them off the streets. There should be some flexibility, but I like the concept.

That's the whole point of 3 strike rules... there IS NO flexibility.

So basically, you like them, but you don't want to be on the hook for being a fascist.

Gotcha.

Option D · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2012, 05:52:43 AM »

Quote from: howardroark on January 26, 2012, 11:12:41 PM

Three strikes and you're out laws are fucking retarded.

Like

Skip8282 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:50:18 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on January 26, 2012, 07:13:44 PM

A three-time loser will be a ten-time loser. Get them off the streets. There should be some flexibility, but I like the concept.

Flexibility as in the severity of the crime?

Skip8282 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:52:25 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on January 26, 2012, 08:22:09 PM

See Rummel v. Estelle

Just looked this up and it's a damn good illustration of the craziness. Life in prison for some $230.00? That's just fucking crazy.

Option D · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:04:11 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on January 27, 2012, 07:52:25 AM

Just looked this up and it's a damn good illustration of the craziness. Life in prison for some $230.00? That's just fucking crazy.

yes... zero logic...
230.00 might be the cost to house that "felon" for like 3 days

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:10:02 AM »

The reason three strikes laws are total bullshit is that the govt can create new felonies out of nothing or out of things that used to be misdeamenors and create a perilous situation for people.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:19:17 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on January 27, 2012, 08:10:02 AM

The reason three strikes laws are total bullshit is that the govt can create new felonies out of nothing or out of things that used to be misdeamenors and create a perilous situation for people.

Yeah, in my State, if you're busted for shoplifting 3 times, the 3rd one and subsequent are felonies. Shoplift a pack of gum 5 times and you're facing life!

Option D · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:38:41 AM »

Skip8282 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:41:29 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 27, 2012, 08:38:41 AM

BOOM

Who's that? Looks like a nice watch though, haha

Option D · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:43:29 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on January 27, 2012, 08:41:29 AM

Who's that? Looks like a nice watch though, haha

I have no clue.. but i thought the picture was hilarious.

But as far as the 3 strikes rule.. Its not based on science or logic. Its really stupid

Skip8282 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:49:03 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 27, 2012, 08:43:29 AM

I have no clue.. but i thought the picture was hilarious.

But as far as the 3 strikes rule.. Its not based on science or logic. Its really stupid

Agreed. I was trying to find a study on Lex/Nex and JSTOR that might show how much money we're kicking out for people serving time for minor felonies like the shoplifting but I haven't been able to find anything yet.

Option D · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:51:55 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on January 27, 2012, 08:49:03 AM

Agreed. I was trying to find a study on Lex/Nex and JSTOR that might show how much money we're kicking out for people serving time for minor felonies like the shoplifting but I haven't been able to find anything yet.

Try Westlaw?

kcballer · « **Reply #19 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:07:54 AM »

Stupid law. Overly costly and doesn't reduce a damn thing.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:40:32 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 27, 2012, 08:51:55 AM

Try Westlaw?

My school doesn't have access.

Option D · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:43:41 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on January 27, 2012, 09:40:32 AM

My school doesn't have access.

Damn. Westlaw was the shit.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2012, 09:55:19 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on January 26, 2012, 08:22:09 PM

See Rummel v. Estelle

? Don't know what that is.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2012, 09:58:31 AM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on January 27, 2012, 07:50:18 AM

Flexibility as in the severity of the crime?

Severity of the crime, the person's overall background, impact on the victim, etc. But I have no problem with the concept. For example, if someone broke into a house on three separate occasions with a weapon and robbed someone at gunpoint, with a knife, etc. and was convicted on all three occasions I'd have no problem with him being put away for life.

tonymctones · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:13:33 AM »

Quote from: kcballer on January 27, 2012, 09:07:54 AM

Stupid law. Overly costly and doesn't reduce a damn thing.

it reduces the amount of crime committed by the ppl who are put in prison as a result of...