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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #150 on: February 09, 2012, 06:26:29 PM »
why do catholics care

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #151 on: February 09, 2012, 06:28:03 PM »
why do catholics care

You really dont get it do you? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #153 on: February 09, 2012, 06:29:35 PM »
Gloves Off: Sen. Rand Paul Blasts HHS Mandate as ‘Authoritarian’ & ‘Totalitarian’
Posted on February 8, 2012 at 9:48pm by Becket Adams







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In an op-ed for National Review online, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) denounces the now infamous decision by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to force religious employers to cover the cost of contraception and abortion-inducing drugs in its employees’ health-care coverage, saying that it’s just one more thing that makes “Obamacare” “socialized medicine.”
 
Sen. Paul goes so far to say that the decision by the HHS is “something generally witnessed only in totalitarian and authoritarian regimes,” and says that it is a direct violation of religious liberty, for all Christians, not just Catholics.
 
“Because ‘contraception’ includes abortifacients, this decision — made under the powers granted to the executive branch under Obamacare — also threatens many Protestant employers,” Sen. Paul writes.
 
“The decision is the latest and most outrageous example of why Obamacare — socialized medicine — must be repealed in its entirety. It is also a shocking example of the administration’s choosing to ignore the opinions and beliefs of millions of Americans.”
 
But the Senator didn’t leave it at that; he was just getting started:
 

And while the Obama administration has never been a protector of pro-life Americans’ conscience rights — for example, it supports the federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives — this latest decision attempts to crush the freedom of the Catholic Church in this country. The president has declared a “war on religion,” as Michael Gerson wrote in the Washington Post last week.
 
Considering Obama’s comments about rural Pennsylvanians who “cling” to their religion, however, this is perhaps not entirely surprising.
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 All Americans’ religious freedoms are protected by the First Amendment. The earliest colonists who came to this country in the pre–Revolutionary War days traveled here because they were seeking a home in which they could practice their religion in freedom and peace without government persecution. Religious freedom — which has been called “our first liberty” — is ingrained in the very fabric of our national culture.
 
But HHS and the administration have decided that their goal of state-run health care trumps our first liberty. What the president is attempting to do here is something generally witnessed only in totalitarian and authoritarian regimes.
 
Read Sen. Paul’s full op-ed here.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #154 on: February 09, 2012, 06:31:23 PM »
GOP Candidates Oppose HHS Mandate (647)
 
Presidential candidates weigh in on religious freedom.

 
 

by EWTN NEWS/CNA02/07/2012 Comments (2)


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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum encouraged Catholic groups across the U.S. to disobey a federal mandate requiring them to buy health-insurance plans that violate Church teaching.
 
Santorum was asked on a Feb. 1 talk show what advice he would give to Catholic hospitals, schools, adoption agencies and other charities struggling with the mandate.
 
“Civil disobedience,” he responded. “This will not stand.”
 
The GOP contender spoke as a guest on political commentator Hugh Hewitt’s radio show and said that his strong concern about “the government taking over health care” is a primary reason he decided to run for president.
 
Santorum said that the mandate, which was issued under the authority of the 2010 health-care overhaul, should come as no surprise.
 
“If you’re going to give people secular power, then they’re going to use it in a secular fashion,” he said, adding that those who had embraced the health-care legislation had permitted the problem to develop.
 
Turning to the government to provide “a right to health care” gives the government power to “tell you how to exercise that right,” he explained.
 
He reiterated that “government isn’t the answer to the social ills,” but that families, communities, charities and individuals of faith should instead fill this role.
 
Santorum said he believes the mandate will eventually come before the Supreme Court, where he does not think the administration’s argument will prevail.
 
He pointed to the Jan. 11 Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC ruling, in which the Supreme Court justices unanimously upheld the “ministerial exception” that allows religious organizations to make employment decisions without interference from the government.

Legal experts have said that the decision may have far-reaching consequences because it rejects the narrow definition of religion that has been utilized by the current administration.
 
Santorum described the ruling as “a 9-0 decision that said the Obama administration can’t roll over people of faith when it comes to hiring.”
 
He added that despite that ruling the “radical, secular government” continues to downplay the importance of the First Amendment.
 
In continuing the battle for religious freedom, Santorum urged Catholic organizations to “fight” the mandate through both court cases and civil disobedience, adding that they should “go to war with the federal government over this one.”
 
Previous Feb. 3 story below.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has pledged to overturn the HHS contraception mandate that he says takes “particular aim” at Catholics.
 
“I stand with the Catholic bishops and all religious organizations in their strenuous objection to this liberty- and conscience-stifling regulation,” Romney wrote in a Feb. 3 Washington Examiner column titled “President Obama vs. Religious Liberty.”
 
If elected president, the former Massachusetts governor said, he would eliminate the mandate “on day one.”
 
“Such rules don’t belong in the America that I believe in.”
 
The mandate, announced on Jan. 20, requires employers to provide insurance coverage for FDA-approved sterilization procedures and contraceptive drugs, including some abortifacient drugs. The Department of Health and Human Services classified the procedures and drugs as “preventive care.”
 
The religious exemption for the mandate would not cover most Catholic hospitals, universities and charitable organizations, despite Catholic teaching that the use of these procedures and drugs is sinful and objectively immoral.
 
Romney, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, said that religious liberty is “facing the most serious assault in generations” from “liberalism itself.”
 
He charged that the rule is “taking particular aim at Roman Catholics.”
 
“The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to choose between violating their conscience or dropping health-care coverage for their employees, effectively destroying their ability to carry on their work.”
 
Romney incorporated his pledge against the mandate into his general position against the 2010 health-care legislation, which opponents call “Obamacare.” He said he is committed to overturning it “root and branch” and will issue an executive order telling his secretary of Health and Human Services to issue a waiver from its requirements to all U.S. states.
 
However, his column’s dominant focus remained religious liberty.
 
Romney charged that devotion to religious freedom “goes out the window” for “the agenda of the left wing of the Democratic Party.” He linked the mandate to abortion on demand and opposition to abstinence education.
 
“They would force Catholics and others who have beliefs rooted in their faith to sacrifice the teachings of their faith to the mandate of federal bureaucrats,” Romney said.
 
He also criticized the Obama administration’s 12-month extension for religious groups to comply with the mandate, calling it “a clumsy attempt to push this matter past this year’s presidential election.”
 
“The America I believe in is governed by the U.S. Constitution, and I will not hesitate to use the powers of the presidency to protect religious liberty,” Romney stated.
 
All four leading Republican presidential candidates have opposed the mandate.
 
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a convert to Catholicism, charged that the mandate is part of a “war against Christianity.” During his campaign in Florida, ahead of the state primary, he pledged to overturn all “anti-religious” federal policies on his first day in office.
 
At a Jan. 31 campaign stop in Colorado, Catholic and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum said the mandate makes people act against their faith.
 
“Barack Obama and Kathleen Sebelius said, ‘Too bad. If it goes against what you believe, then you believe the wrong things,’” Santorum said, according to the Los Angeles Times. “This is just the tip of the iceberg of what we can expect.”
 
In an October statement on his website, Texas Congressman Ron Paul said the mandate “violates the conscience of millions of pro-life Americans.” He said he views the “regulatory overstep” as “payback to Planned Parenthood and big pharmaceutical companies for their support of Obamacare.”

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/gop-candidates-oppose-hhs-mandate/#ixzz1lwTw7MHk


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #155 on: February 09, 2012, 06:31:50 PM »
You know, even though i don't give a rats ass about how the Catholic Church feels about this, and believe they are partly stuck on 13th century stupid, you are right 333333, its a fucked up deal.  If people don't like the health coverage they provide they should be able to go elsewhere and although the health care they provide should have some standards this shouldn't be one of them.  

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #157 on: February 09, 2012, 06:36:29 PM »


Blacken, the issue is not the catholic church!    The issue is that the federal govt is mandating things that employers and individuals have to purchase that violate the very tenents of their beliefs.   

Lets say you are a jewish hospital and serve kosher food in the cafeteria.  The hospital employees christians and hindus.   Should those christians be able to get the jewish hospital forced to serve non-kosher food in the cafeteria?   Yes or no? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #158 on: February 09, 2012, 06:39:30 PM »
why do you keep posting shit about the catholics then

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #159 on: February 09, 2012, 06:41:08 PM »
Blacken, the issue is not the catholic church!    The issue is that the federal govt is mandating things that employers and individuals have to purchase that violate the very tenents of their beliefs.   

Lets say you are a jewish hospital and serve kosher food in the cafeteria.  The hospital employees christians and hindus.   Should those christians be able to get the jewish hospital forced to serve non-kosher food in the cafeteria?   Yes or no? 

they don't have to purchase shit

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #160 on: February 09, 2012, 06:43:11 PM »
they don't have to purchase shit

Yes they do!   Are you really so blind to not understand why people are pissed off? 

Its not about the church or abortion or pills, its about the govt forcing people to buy shit they dont want to! 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #161 on: February 09, 2012, 06:44:47 PM »
what are they forcing them to buy

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #162 on: February 09, 2012, 06:49:17 PM »
Archbishop Dolan urges Obama to back down on birth control
 CBS News ^ | 2/9/12 | Corbett B. Daly

Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:44:59 AM by Elvina

"This was a terribly misguided judgement," Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York said in an interview of CBS This Morning.

Dolan, who is set to become a cardinal later this month, said he met with Obama in the Oval Office late last year and was promised the White House would work with the Catholic church on a number of issues, including education, healthcare and charitable work.

"I am hoping that this massive negative reaction to this ruling, I am hoping that he will go back to those assurances that he gave me," Dolan said.


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Obama lied to the Bishop?   No wonder - obama is satan so this is par for the course. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #163 on: February 09, 2012, 06:50:51 PM »
what are they forcing them to buy

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #164 on: February 09, 2012, 07:01:07 PM »
what are they forcing them to buy


They are forcing them to pay for products that go against their teachings   

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #165 on: February 09, 2012, 07:08:00 PM »
hahahaha these bishops live in the 16 century, if they think that the majority of the catholics don't use birth control they are mistaken,the repubs are jumping on another non issue,no wonder they can't run a decent candidate

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #166 on: February 09, 2012, 07:09:07 PM »
Obama birth control policy splits Democrats amid signs White House seeks a way out
 WASHINGTON POST ^ | 2/9/2012 | ap

Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:50:41 PM by tobyhill

Democrats are deeply divided over President Barack Obama’s new rule that religious schools and hospitals must provide insurance for free birth control to their employees amid fresh signs that the administration was scrambling for a way out.

“This is not only unacceptable, it is un-American,” says Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., a Catholic who faces re-election in November in a state where Wednesday nights are reserved for church services.

Another Catholic senator, Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, has pleaded with the administration “to correct this decision which will erode the conscience rights” that have been protected for decades. His opposition echoes the criticism of his bishop in Scranton, Rev. Joseph C. Bambera.


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Boooooommm!!!!   Rot in hell obama.  fuck you and your family and toss me on whatever list you want you ghetto looting criminal thug!  

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #167 on: February 09, 2012, 07:10:15 PM »
hahahaha these bishops live in the 16 century, if they think that the majority of the catholics don't use birth control they are mistaken,the repubs are jumping on another non issue,no wonder they can't run a decent candidate

The issue is not birth control asshole!!!!!  Why do you pray for obama and swbellius to run your life? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #168 on: February 09, 2012, 07:15:57 PM »
Archbishop Dolan urges Obama to back down on birth control
 CBS News ^ | 2/9/12 | Corbett B. Daly

Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:44:59 AM by Elvina

"This was a terribly misguided judgement," Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York said in an interview of CBS This Morning.

Dolan, who is set to become a cardinal later this month, said he met with Obama in the Oval Office late last year and was promised the White House would work with the Catholic church on a number of issues, including education, healthcare and charitable work.

"I am hoping that this massive negative reaction to this ruling, I am hoping that he will go back to those assurances that he gave me," Dolan said.


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Obama lied to the Bishop?   No wonder - obama is satan so this is par for the course. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #169 on: February 09, 2012, 07:18:18 PM »
the repubs run losers for candidates now they look for something to save them priceless :D :D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #170 on: February 09, 2012, 07:18:35 PM »
Obama lied to the bishop no different thsn reagan in the exorcist lied to Fr. Karas  

Ghettothugbama is going to hell  

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #171 on: February 09, 2012, 07:19:40 PM »
the repubs run losers for candidates now they look for something to save them priceless :D :D

Santorum is tied w your evil ghetto thug looting grifter son of an ape messiah obama 

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20 Catholic (and Christian) Institutions Opposing Obama/HHS Mandate
 CatholicVote.org ^ | February 9, 2012 | thomas Peters

Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:32:53 PM by Salvation



20 Catholic (and Christian) Institutions Opposing Obama/HHS Mandate

 
by Thomas Peters
10 hours ago (February 9, 2012)





My list of bishops who have publicly condemned the Obama/HHS mandate is now at 171 (representing almost 95% of Catholic dioceses). Only 4 bishops have yet to issue statements — and I expect they will shortly!

Now I’d like to begin compiling a list of Catholic (and Christian) institutions who have said publicly they will fight or oppose the mandate.

A few ground-rules:
•I’m only going to include institutions that have issued public statements online or a statement to the press which is available online.
•Please do not email me additions — submit them in the comments instead (I don’t want to be inundated by emails related to this post!). I will be regularly checking the comments for updates.
•Please triple check that an institution you want to include is not already posted here or in the comments.

The Honor Roll (I’ll figure out how to order these once the list has grown):
•1. EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network) – filed lawsuit
•2. Belmont Abbey College – filed lawsuit
•3. Colorado Christian University (nondenominational) – filed lawsuit
•4. University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, MN – issued statement to press (better link needed)
•5. Christendom College in Front Royal, VA – issued statement
•6. Ave Maria University in Naples, FL – considering legal options, “will not comply”
•7-10: Aquinas College in Nashville, TN (joined by three other Dominican schools) – issued statement
•11. University of Dallas in Dallas, TX – issued statement
•12. Priests for Life in Staten Island, NY – filed lawsuit
•13. Nashville Dominican Sisters in Nashville, TN – issued statement
•14. Mount St. Mary’s University and Seminary in Emmitsburg, MD – issued statement
•15. Notre Dame University in South Bend, IN – issued statement
•16. Benedictine College in Atchison, KS – issued statement
•17. Catholic University of America in Washington, DC – issued statement to the press
•18. Catholic Health Association – issued statement
•19. Catholic Charities, USA – issued statement
•20. Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities – issued statement

Good to see Catholic universities leading the charge on this!

It would be helpful if someone could help me determine the number of employees at these institutions (to calculate the potential monetary fine/penality they would face for not complying with the mandate). Please include this tally in the comments — thanks!

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #173 on: February 09, 2012, 07:23:59 PM »
Santorum is tied w your evil ghetto thug looting grifter son of an ape messiah obama  


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20 Catholic (and Christian) Institutions Opposing Obama/HHS Mandate
 CatholicVote.org ^ | February 9, 2012 | thomas Peters

Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:32:53 PM by Salvation



20 Catholic (and Christian) Institutions Opposing Obama/HHS Mandate

 
by Thomas Peters
10 hours ago (February 9, 2012)





My list of bishops who have publicly condemned the Obama/HHS mandate is now at 171 (representing almost 95% of Catholic dioceses). Only 4 bishops have yet to issue statements — and I expect they will shortly!

Now I’d like to begin compiling a list of Catholic (and Christian) institutions who have said publicly they will fight or oppose the mandate.

A few ground-rules:
•I’m only going to include institutions that have issued public statements online or a statement to the press which is available online.
•Please do not email me additions — submit them in the comments instead (I don’t want to be inundated by emails related to this post!). I will be regularly checking the comments for updates.
•Please triple check that an institution you want to include is not already posted here or in the comments.

The Honor Roll (I’ll figure out how to order these once the list has grown):
•1. EWTN (Eternal Word Television Network) – filed lawsuit
•2. Belmont Abbey College – filed lawsuit
•3. Colorado Christian University (nondenominational) – filed lawsuit
•4. University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, MN – issued statement to press (better link needed)
•5. Christendom College in Front Royal, VA – issued statement
•6. Ave Maria University in Naples, FL – considering legal options, “will not comply”
•7-10: Aquinas College in Nashville, TN (joined by three other Dominican schools) – issued statement
•11. University of Dallas in Dallas, TX – issued statement
•12. Priests for Life in Staten Island, NY – filed lawsuit
•13. Nashville Dominican Sisters in Nashville, TN – issued statement
•14. Mount St. Mary’s University and Seminary in Emmitsburg, MD – issued statement
•15. Notre Dame University in South Bend, IN – issued statement
•16. Benedictine College in Atchison, KS – issued statement
•17. Catholic University of America in Washington, DC – issued statement to the press
•18. Catholic Health Association – issued statement
•19. Catholic Charities, USA – issued statement
•20. Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities – issued statement

Good to see Catholic universities leading the charge on this!

It would be helpful if someone could help me determine the number of employees at these institutions (to calculate the potential monetary fine/penality they would face for not complying with the mandate). Please include this tally in the comments — thanks!


hahahaha that's going to change the way people vote :D :D :D :D you should be running one of these losers campaign  :D