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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #300 on: February 12, 2012, 07:00:30 AM »
Your an idiot.    The issue is larger than the church itself you communist welfare leech. Pay for your own rubbers.


80,000 post, 24/7 on getbig ,trying to change an election,i think we all know who the idiot is ;D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #301 on: February 12, 2012, 07:01:35 AM »

80,000 post, 24/7 on getbig ,trying to change an election,i think we all know who the idiot is ;D


Nice way to address the issue.   Moron. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #302 on: February 12, 2012, 07:05:35 AM »
it's a non issue,the only reason it's going is because it's an election year,that and the repubs have 3 losers running ;D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #303 on: February 12, 2012, 07:11:54 AM »
it's a non issue,the only reason it's going is because it's an election year,that and the repubs have 3 losers running ;D

Yeah, govt mandated health insurance is no biggie.    You really are a commie thug. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #304 on: February 12, 2012, 07:21:58 AM »
wait where is the money coming from to pay for this forced health care plan? you fucking nit wits are missing the point. The church is dependent on the government, yet wants benefits yet when said benefits are not to there liking they simply cry seperation or church and state, freedom of religion etc. yet they have no issue relying on the government, perhaps freedom of religion should mean they get off the teat of the gov and pay like everyone else. This whole thing is disgusting, they are violating the constitution already morons, they are getting free money that jthey never contributed to, how the fuck is anyone infringing on their rights?

seperation of church and state, apparently is only one way, when the church benefits, they seem to have no problem being welfare queens.
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Yeah, we get it, you hate the church. Youre looking at this through blinders - you hate the church, you make it well known.
The way youre stating it sounds like this - well if they accept some benefits - then they have to take them all or take none of them - its completely rediculous.
And churchs arent funded completely by the government. Youre being irrational because of your inherit hate for theology.

The government should not mandate that they have to offer BC. Its that simple. If the gov is going to respect our whole "right to practice religious beliefs deal" - then this is a huge infringement.
If theyre going to force them to comply with this - they may as well come out and say this -

"Youre free to practice your religious beliefs as long as they comply with Federal mandates, if theyre different from what we (government) have deemed best for you (the citizen), then you are not allowed to practice your beliefs as such."

Sounds an awful lot like theyre just tossing out the whole "freedom to practice religious beliefs", doesnt it.
You need to get off your anti-religious crusade for a minute and look at the bigger picture - the government is starting to infringe on the basic liberties this country was founded on.

And once they start mandating things like how you practice your religion, its only a matter of time until theyre telling you what political belief you can practice. What vehicles you can drive. How much money you can make. Hell, what religion you can practice period. What you can eat. Where you can go to school.
Where does it end?

::) Your post is completely rediculous, retarded, and missed the very basic point that everyone is up in arms about.
But nooo, its about the church taking government benefits when they are tax exempt.  ::)

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #305 on: February 12, 2012, 07:23:51 AM »
why do some citizens feel it is ok to demand free shit from others? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #306 on: February 12, 2012, 07:37:45 AM »
contraceptives, the idea that american catholics generally follow that rule is pretty laughable. :D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #307 on: February 12, 2012, 07:39:48 AM »
contraceptives, the idea that american catholics generally follow that rule is pretty laughable. :D


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #308 on: February 12, 2012, 07:43:33 AM »
the catholic Bishops say the proprosal raises serious moral concerns   :D  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D With all of the sex scandals out there the  bishops are the LAST to be teaching us about morals.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #309 on: February 12, 2012, 07:45:41 AM »
the catholic Bishops say the proprosal raises serious moral concerns   :D  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D With all of the sex scandals out there the  bishops are the LAST to be teaching us about morals.

But pelosi, Obama, Clinton are the right people to tell you to run your life right? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #310 on: February 12, 2012, 07:49:32 AM »
the catholic Bishops say the proprosal raises serious moral concerns   :D  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D With all of the sex scandals out there the  bishops are the LAST to be teaching us about morals.
Thats like trying to say since a teacher has sex with a student, NO TEACHERS ANYWHERE should be allowed to teach abstinence.
Do you guys even realize how retarded you sound?

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #311 on: February 12, 2012, 07:54:41 AM »
your right if it was one or two cases,and they knew it was going on and  let it happen,even worse they would ship the priest to another town and he would do the same thing so really it's not the same

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #312 on: February 12, 2012, 07:56:07 AM »
your right if it was one or two cases,and they knew it was going on and the let it happen,even worse they would ship the priest to another town and he would do the same thing so really it's not the same
Teachers cover up shit all the time too.
Yeah, it really is the same, no matter how you spin it. Anything that goes on, you will always have the bottom 10%. That does not invalidate the other 90% from speaking on the subject.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #313 on: February 12, 2012, 08:02:28 AM »
so you think the bishop's speak for the ordinary catholics,and they don't use contraceptives ::)

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #314 on: February 12, 2012, 08:05:41 AM »
Andrew Sullivan: How Obama Set a Contraception Trap for the Right
Feb 13, 2012 12:00 AM EST

Conservatives gleefully revived the culture wars. But they're not winning. How Obama set a trap for the right.


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Suddenly no-drama Obama was neck deep in the kind of religious warfare he vowed to avoid. Many pundits—led by older white Catholic men, such as Joe Scarborough and my friend Chris Matthews and even the fair-minded liberal Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne—declared his decision on contraception as not only morally wrong but a politically disastrous violation of religious freedom. Suddenly the specter of 2004—when the culture-war issue of same-sex marriage gave Ohio and the entire election to George W. Bush—reemerged, and some conservative Catholic Democrats began to panic. Within the administration, almost all the white Catholic men opposed the decision—from Bill Daley to Leon Panetta. But critically, the support for the decision came from women, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and key adviser Valerie Jarrett chief among them. So Obama didn’t ignite just a culture war but a religious and gender war as well. Welcome to the election focused almost entirely on jobs.

But the conflict-driven headlines and predictions of disaster for Obama are, in my view, deeply misleading. Right now, they are driven both by cable news’s love of a good fight and high ratings and by the Republican primary campaign, in which the candidates, especially Newt Gingrich and Santorum, are desperately battling to unify the evangelical base, which is convinced its faith is somehow under attack. In the longer run, however, I suspect this sudden confluence of kerfuffles will be seen as one of the last gasps of the culture war, not its reignition. That’s especially possible since Obama’s swift walk-back last Friday, when he proposed an utterly sensible compromise, which exempts both churches and other religious institutions that cater to the general public from directly covering or paying for birth control, shifting the coverage requirement to insurance companies. So Catholic organizations will be able to stay out of the contraception question entirely, while contraception for all women will be kept free of charge. Instead of being lose-lose for the president, it became win-win. Most Catholics will be fine with this compromise, as are the Catholic Health Association and Planned Parenthood. But the bishops? They’ve gone out on a very long limb. This could be the moment when the culture-war tide finally turns and the social wedge issues long deployed so effectively by the Republican right begin to come back and bite them.

The more Machiavellian observer might even suspect this is actually an improved bait and switch by Obama to more firmly identify the religious right with opposition to contraception, its weakest issue by far, and to shore up support among independent women and his more liberal base. I’ve found by observing this president closely for years that what often seem like short-term tactical blunders turn out in the long run to be strategically shrewd. And if this was a trap, the religious right walked right into it.


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In other words, this is a potential political winner for President Obama, not just among liberals, many women, younger voters, and moderates—but among American Catholics! And even more so in light of the pragmatic compromise announced last week, which puts the administration precisely where it should be, and in a much better place than it was before the announcement, and reinforces Obama’s reputation as a man willing to compromise, one of his core strengths among independent voters. I found the original rule a step too far. To my mind, when religious institutions play invaluable roles in helping the poor, curing the sick, and housing the homeless, they should be rewarded, not punished. And within reasonable limits, their right to set their own rules on health-care plans should be respected. One reason they do such great work is their religious convictions. We should celebrate that—and try to balance their views (however wrongheaded we may consider them to be) with other legitimate social goals.


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #315 on: February 12, 2012, 08:07:27 AM »
If we are not winning, why did thugbama have to reverse himself? 


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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #317 on: February 12, 2012, 08:17:29 AM »
That’s especially possible since Obama’s swift walk-back last Friday, when he proposed an utterly sensible compromise, which exempts both churches and other religious institutions that cater to the general public from directly covering or paying for birth control, shifting the coverage requirement to insurance companies. So Catholic organizations will be able to stay out of the contraception question entirely, while contraception for all women will be kept free of charge. Instead of being lose-lose for the president, it became win-win. Most Catholics will be fine with this compromise, as are the Catholic Health Association and Planned Parenthood. But the bishops? They’ve gone out on a very long limb. This could be the moment when the culture-war tide finally turns and the social wedge issues long deployed so effectively by the Republican right begin to come back and bite them.

The more Machiavellian observer might even suspect this is actually an improved bait and switch by Obama to more firmly identify the religious right with opposition to contraception, its weakest issue by far, and to shore up support among independent women and his more liberal base. I’ve found by observing this president closely for years that what often seem like short-term tactical blunders turn out in the long run to be strategically shrewd. And if this was a trap, the religious right walked right into it.          Andrew Sullivan

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #318 on: February 12, 2012, 08:23:04 AM »
 is it the same krauthammer that said this  ;D“embarrassing” Republican candidates and the “ridiculous” behavior of the Congressional Republican leadership.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #319 on: February 12, 2012, 08:24:28 AM »
LOL.   Yeah, trying to say political incompetence was a plot.   

So Obama lied to the Bishop out of politics?   

Says a lot about the ghetto communist street pimp no? 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #320 on: February 12, 2012, 08:25:18 AM »
is it the same krauthammer that said this  ;D“embarrassing” Republican candidates and the “ridiculous” behavior of the Congressional Republican leadership.


Stick to the issues douche. 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #321 on: February 12, 2012, 08:28:36 AM »
Stick to the issues douche. 

must be the same guy :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #322 on: February 12, 2012, 08:33:20 AM »
must be the same guy :D :D :D :D :D

Get your greedy hands out of my wallet and keep Obama out of my bedroom damn it! 

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #323 on: February 12, 2012, 02:27:20 PM »
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Yeah, we get it, you hate the church. Youre looking at this through blinders - you hate the church, you make it well known.
The way youre stating it sounds like this - well if they accept some benefits - then they have to take them all or take none of them - its completely rediculous.
And churchs arent funded completely by the government. Youre being irrational because of your inherit hate for theology.

The government should not mandate that they have to offer BC. Its that simple. If the gov is going to respect our whole "right to practice religious beliefs deal" - then this is a huge infringement.
If theyre going to force them to comply with this - they may as well come out and say this -

"Youre free to practice your religious beliefs as long as they comply with Federal mandates, if theyre different from what we (government) have deemed best for you (the citizen), then you are not allowed to practice your beliefs as such."

Sounds an awful lot like theyre just tossing out the whole "freedom to practice religious beliefs", doesnt it.
You need to get off your anti-religious crusade for a minute and look at the bigger picture - the government is starting to infringe on the basic liberties this country was founded on.

And once they start mandating things like how you practice your religion, its only a matter of time until theyre telling you what political belief you can practice. What vehicles you can drive. How much money you can make. Hell, what religion you can practice period. What you can eat. Where you can go to school.
Where does it end?

::) Your post is completely rediculous, retarded, and missed the very basic point that everyone is up in arms about.
But nooo, its about the church taking government benefits when they are tax exempt.  ::)


oh i see your for religious freedom over personal freedoms, i didn't know that to be in the church you had to live under dictatorship.

you are just making up shit, they are tax exempt, they are not paying for the plan, so why are you saying its infringement on their rights? what rights? once they agree to pay no taxes and then benefit from said taxes they have no rights with my money.

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Re: Obama is attacking Religious Freedom in America (Just like everything else)
« Reply #324 on: February 12, 2012, 02:29:23 PM »
did obama cave on the issue?