it is the 1st thing thats noticable,, you loose the semi on pump in forarms , traps/neck and delts...
ive started direct neck training when im off gear as the neck thing bothers me more than the rest
ive got a great forearm exersize for you, works wonders and im going to make my self another one soon as they keep getting pinched,,
thick coke can diameter piece of broomshank, drill a hole thru the middle, put a rope thru..
attach a weight and roll it up, overhand one time, underhand the next and keep going till youve got pure acid in the forearms
popeye approved...