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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2012, 10:10:59 PM »
Actually most rational and UNBIASED people would accept the statistics and move on to fight another day...the stats say UE is down to 8.5.....when they were at 10, I accepted it and said if it kept up at that pace, Obama was in trouble...no one quibbled then, including you...now all of a sudden,  everyone is a statistician and pulling out graphs and stuff to show that the stats are wrong...

THE HYPOCRISY IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL really bro, if you understood how they calculated the numbers you might get an idea of why ppl might have been doing that.

its possible that the ppl that have fallen off the roles b/c they quit looking where included in the 10% number. Now that they have fallen off, what do you think happens to the UE number?

it goes down...

did you know the UE number can go down without one person being hired?

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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2012, 10:11:41 PM »
Wow, did this thread ever backfire. On one hand, we have the two morons andreisadouche and 240 spouting off talking points and then we have Team "3-digit IQ" shutting them down hard.

1.2 million people fell off the rolls and these morons are celebrating it. LOL!!

LOL at the "TEAM 3 Digit IQ Team".....you guys are the biggest losers I have ever seen......you can't give Obama his place in the sun.....again for the 20th time..accept the stats and move on

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2012, 10:13:54 PM »
Yes Andre they have been doing it for a long time they have also been keeping track of real unemployment since that time....real Unemployment is higher now then before Obama took office if you want to cheerlead that's fine but at least understand that we actually have less ppl employed today...

Your argument has merit....Real unemployment will always keep going up because our population keeps getting larger.....thats no secret..just accept the stats as favorable for Obama and move on.....why is it so hard for you to do that???..you need to ask yourself that...thats where the bias lies

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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2012, 10:16:04 PM »
actually andre its not his opinion, its unadulterated fact bro.

again they have been keeping track of real unemployment since they started defining away those that drop out of the labor market. Go look up those stats for yourself to see the trend and where we stand now.



again..all that is understood..and I gave you props and said your argument has merit....but the stats are what they are....they show a favorable trend for Obama...accept it and move on..you look like a cry-baby

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2012, 08:18:00 AM »
Job Gains at U.S. Factories Show Manufacturers Driving Expansion

By Timothy R. Homan

Feb. 3 (Bloomberg) -- American factories added the most jobs in a year as they stayed at the forefront of the expansion, boosting employment opportunities in the rest of the economy.

Manufacturing payrolls increased 50,000 last month, exceeding the most optimistic forecast in a Bloomberg News survey and capping the largest two-year gain since 1985, Labor Department figures released today showed. Total employment across the economy jumped 243,000 in January as the jobless rate unexpectedly dropped to 8.3 percent.

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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-03/job-gains-at-u-s-factories-show-manufacturers-driving-expansion.html


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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2012, 08:55:48 AM »
 :D.  Blackass do you realize there are still millions less even in the labor pool despite a growing pop? 

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2012, 08:57:45 AM »
thats your opinion.....other people look at the statistics and see job growth.......I'm going by what the gov't defines the stats as being...as everyone always has

1.2 million people leave the work force

200k jobs are created

And you call that "job growth?"

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2012, 09:39:54 PM »
1.2 million people leave the work force

200k jobs are created

And you call that "job growth?"

People leave the workforce all the time for whatever reason...whats so evil about that?...I myself have taken off a few months from the workforce to raise children, go back to school, etc....my wife has taken off for years at a time three times when we had children.....plus she dropped out of the workforce at other times to start her own business and work from home....whats so sinister about that???

My point is people drop out of the workforce all the time and are not actively looking for work..or is that Obama's fault as well??????????????????????????????

in a population of over three hundred million people its not unreasonable that 1.2 million would drop out of the workforce.....

sorry to destroy your argument

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2012, 12:09:18 AM »
when the economy is bad, people leave the workforce and get educated.
when the economy is good, people leave school and work to make that $$$.

If the economy is shitty and I can settle for a low-paying job I don't like, or I can go to school, then I leave the workforce to return to school.   
This point can't be ignored.  When work is scarce, people decide to do soemthing else for a year. 

Also - it's true that clinton, bush, and everyone else removed the 'not looking for work' people from their lists as well - is this correct?

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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2012, 06:35:53 AM »
when the economy is bad, people leave the workforce and get educated.
when the economy is good, people leave school and work to make that $$$.

If the economy is shitty and I can settle for a low-paying job I don't like, or I can go to school, then I leave the workforce to return to school.   
This point can't be ignored.  When work is scarce, people decide to do soemthing else for a year. 

Also - it's true that clinton, bush, and everyone else removed the 'not looking for work' people from their lists as well - is this correct?

totally correct

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2012, 06:54:57 AM »
 ;D. Go figure.  The two biggest obamabots  :-\ making excuses for obamas fraudulent misrepresentation about the data.

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2012, 08:40:43 AM »
again..all that is understood..and I gave you props and said your argument has merit....but the stats are what they are....they show a favorable trend for Obama...accept it and move on..you look like a cry-baby
Ill give you they do show a favorable trend to ppl that are uneducated and dont understand why the numbers move.

Now if you understand the reasons behind the moving of the numbers, they arent favorable...

Do you understand that andre?


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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2012, 08:53:49 AM »
People leave the workforce all the time for whatever reason...whats so evil about that?...I myself have taken off a few months from the workforce to raise children, go back to school, etc....my wife has taken off for years at a time three times when we had children.....plus she dropped out of the workforce at other times to start her own business and work from home....whats so sinister about that???

My point is people drop out of the workforce all the time and are not actively looking for work..or is that Obama's fault as well??????????????????????????????

in a population of over three hundred million people its not unreasonable that 1.2 million would drop out of the workforce.....

sorry to destroy your argument
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You are a pathetic individual. The job work force is at a low not seen in decades. But its cause theyre all going to school, or raising kids right?
When are you going to admit Obama is a piece of shit, and all his "success" are actually failures that have made shit worse?

Or, thats right, you wont, youre too emotionally involved. Youre going to go down with the ship cause you cant possibly admit you were wrong.

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2012, 09:11:16 AM »
Ill give you they do show a favorable trend to ppl that are uneducated and dont understand why the numbers move.

Now if you understand the reasons behind the moving of the numbers, they arent favorable...

Do you understand that andre?



I understand that when the numbers were unfavorable to Obama you didn't mention the above

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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2012, 09:25:40 AM »
I understand that when the numbers were unfavorable to Obama you didn't mention the above
Why were the numbers unfavorable andre?

1. the number increases b/c more ppl are unemployed and looking for jobs, thats bad.

2. the number decreases b/c ppl drop off the roles, thats bad.

3. the number decreases b/c ppl actually get jobs, thats good

If its number 1 or 2 its bad...

thats why it wasnt mentioned, again you need to understand the reasons why the numbers are moving.

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2012, 01:56:50 PM »
Why were the numbers unfavorable andre?

1. the number increases b/c more ppl are unemployed and looking for jobs, thats bad.

2. the number decreases b/c ppl drop off the roles, thats bad.

3. the number decreases b/c ppl actually get jobs, thats good

If its number 1 or 2 its bad...

thats why it wasnt mentioned, again you need to understand the reasons why the numbers are moving.


Jesus Goddamn Christ..can you read???????...did you see what I wrote above?????..does that not sound logical to you??????...I said that people drop out of the work force for different reasons..not only because they can't find a job,.....they drop out due to pregnancy....going back to school...to focus on children.....because they prefer to work part-time....because they get married and don't have to work any more due to their spouse making enough to support the family.....because they need a break.....there are a number of reasons...you make the assumption that all those people dropped out due to not being able to find a job because it fits into your biased thinking that Obama is not providing enough jobs....

this is why as much as I try to respect you, I can't...because your bias shows through every single time....

Sorry I had to destroy you again.....its becoming a habit

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2012, 03:58:09 PM »
And many of those being added to the job rolls are part-timers and/or temp workers.  Let us not also forget the numbers of those that are underemployed...down in South Florida, there are a lot of construction workers and those in real estate working jobs that are rather far beneath them.  On top of that, with all the economic uncertainty and many local and state governments running deficits, I wonder what it must feel that your job is likely on the chopping block at any time?

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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2012, 05:15:24 PM »
And many of those being added to the job rolls are part-timers and/or temp workers.  Let us not also forget the numbers of those that are underemployed...down in South Florida, there are a lot of construction workers and those in real estate working jobs that are rather far beneath them.  On top of that, with all the economic uncertainty and many local and state governments running deficits, I wonder what it must feel that your job is likely on the chopping block at any time?
points well taken.....

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2012, 08:00:40 AM »
Why the official 8.3% unemployment rate is phony — and what it means for Obama’s reelection
The American ^ | 02/06/2012 | James Pethoukoukis
Posted on February 6, 2012 11:01:57 AM EST by SeekAndFind

The January jobs report is out and it seems pretty strong, at least superficially. The unemployment rate fell to 8.3 percent from 8.5 percent, the lowest rate since February 2009. And the economy added 243,000 jobs, the most since April 2011.

But does anyone believe an "official" unemployment rate of 8.3 percent really gives an accurate picture of the U.S. labor market? Even though the unemployment rate fell, so did the labor force participation rate (as more Americans became discouraged and gave up looking for work). Here’s what that means:

1. If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7 percent then vs. 63.7 percent today—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 11.0 percent.

2. But let’s not go all the way back to January 2009. In January 2011, the unemployment rate was 9.1 percent with a participation rate of 64.2 percent. If that were the participation rate today, the unemployment rate would be 8.9 percent, instead of 8.3 percent. As an analysis from Hamilton Place Strategies concludes, “Most of the shift of the past year is due not to the improvement in the labor market, but the continued drop in participation in the labor force.”

3. Now, to be fair, some of the decline in the participation rate is aging Baby Boomers dropping out of the labor force. But taking that into account still doesn’t get us very far, as HPS notes:

Demographic projections expect that participation rate to be at 65.3 percent. If that full participation rate is the goal, our economy is “missing” 3.8 million workers, up from the 3.4 million we noted in the white paper. The unemployment rate in that context has not budged at 10.4 percent.

4. Then there’s the broader, U-6 measure of unemployment which includes the discouraged plus part-timers who wish they had full time work. That unemployment rate is still a sky-high 15.1 percent.

5. If the participation rate does level off at its current rate, according to HPS, the economy would need to generate 231,000 jobs per month to get below 8 percent unemployment by Election Day. If the participation rate continues its downward slide, however, that number would be much lower—perhaps as low as 131,000 jobs a month (see below chart). But such a decline wouldn’t necessarily be good news.



Why is that? Because the unemployment rate would be falling because the economy remained weak with not many jobs created. That also means weak income growth, which is even more influential on presidential election results than the unemployment rate. If people don’t sense their own economic situation improving very much, it won’t matter what some distorted statistic from a government agency says about the economy. Or what Obama says, either.

One of the most accurate election forecasting models doesn’t even look at the unemployment rate. It looks at per person GDP growth, which correlates with income growth. If you plug a 2 percent GDP forecast for 2012 into the model of Yale’s Ray Fair, the algorithm predicts a close election, but still an Obama defeat with the incumbent president getting just 47.8 percent of the two-party vote.



Bottom line: The unemployment rate is dropping because economic growth continues to be so anemic that nearly 4 million Americans have quit looking for work and have been disappeared by the Labor Department. This still isn’t much of a recovery.

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2012, 08:19:17 AM »
And again - as has been stated time and time again - it's been a problem! And if we calculate unemployment using the older methods, the unemployment rate is at a multi-decade high!!

Also, the BLS originally defined away discouraged workers since during good times it is easy to find a job - but during difficult times, people are finding themselves to be unemployed for longer and longer periods. And, unfortunately, the longer you're unemployed the more likely you are to fall out of the statistics. So during a weak economy, this new BLS measure of unemployment is even less reliable than it is during better economic times.

no you are wrong, the fact thats its always been done indicates that the statistic is precise not accurate, hence it should be accepted. You mistake precision for accuracy, if they are using a false formula to create this number then they always have thus any reflection of change in said number is either a real thing, or completely useless or a mixture of both. Apparently a mixture of both is what you have been doing, but now its completely useless, sorry cant have it both ways friend. Either is always been shit thus it all has to be thrown out, or it is accurate and to be accepted. If you suggest its a mixture of both i would agree, now its time to tease apart what those variables are.

i dont accept your conclusion, show me the formula for the calculation and show how this good economy variable affects outcome. If you are taking a mathmatical abstract concept and applying it concretely like they have done, it is useless to talk about the concrete unless you adress the abstract math its based on, if you have done this then please show me how, id like to learn or understand how you reached this conclusion.

you have to show the degree of effect a bad economy has on this variable, is it even significant? show me.


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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2012, 10:03:58 AM »
I said that people drop out of the work force for different reasons..not only because they can't find a job,.....they drop out due to pregnancy....going back to school...to focus on children.....because they prefer to work part-time....because they get married and don't have to work any more due to their spouse making enough to support the family.....because they need a break.....there are a number of reasons...you make the assumption that all those people dropped out due to not being able to find a job because it fits into your biased thinking that Obama is not providing enough jobs....

this is why as much as I try to respect you, I can't...because your bias shows through every single time....

Sorry I had to destroy you again.....its becoming a habit

You didn't destroy anything.

Is it your contention, based on what you wroteabove, that the dropout in the workforce is just routine drop off as you mentioned, and there is no problem?

Also, to your last sentence, I highly doubt tony expects Obama to provide jobs - expanding gov't isn't the answer.
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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2012, 10:39:17 AM »
no you are wrong, the fact thats its always been done indicates that the statistic is precise not accurate, hence it should be accepted. You mistake precision for accuracy, if they are using a false formula to create this number then they always have thus any reflection of change in said number is either a real thing, or completely useless or a mixture of both. Apparently a mixture of both is what you have been doing, but now its completely useless, sorry cant have it both ways friend. Either is always been shit thus it all has to be thrown out, or it is accurate and to be accepted. If you suggest its a mixture of both i would agree, now its time to tease apart what those variables are.

i dont accept your conclusion, show me the formula for the calculation and show how this good economy variable affects outcome. If you are taking a mathmatical abstract concept and applying it concretely like they have done, it is useless to talk about the concrete unless you adress the abstract math its based on, if you have done this then please show me how, id like to learn or understand how you reached this conclusion.

you have to show the degree of effect a bad economy has on this variable, is it even significant? show me.



Excellent post....this is what I have been screaming about,,,,that you can't have it both ways...the UE number is accepted by Obama haters WHEN THE UE NUMBER IS HIGH...but when it begins to drop, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE NUMBERS ARE BOGUS, DOCTORED BY OBAMA AND ARE NOT A TRUE INDICATOR OF THE UE.....the Obama haters have difficulty seeing the hypocrisy here....the UE has always been calculated THE SAME WAY.....SO EITHER ITS ACCURATE ALL THE TIME OR WRONG ALL THE TIME....as you mentioned above, you can't have it both ways when it suits you to do so...

wonderful post...you are definitely a voice of reason and have great critical thinking skills

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2012, 10:43:10 AM »
You didn't destroy anything.

Is it your contention, based on what you wroteabove, that the dropout in the workforce is just routine drop off as you mentioned, and there is no problem?

Also, to your last sentence, I highly doubt tony expects Obama to provide jobs - expanding gov't isn't the answer.

yes...I'm saying that many of the people who dropped out are routine drop-offs....some people leave for the reasons I stated above, some even leave the country and go back to their homeland when the economy goes bad...drop-off is normal....people try to read something sinister into the drop-off figure....as if Obama sits up at night and cooks up his own figures..WOW!!!

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Re: OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES...Jobless rate at 3 year low
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2012, 11:22:20 AM »
1.2 million people leave the work force

200k jobs are created

And you call that "job growth?"

no you incredible moron, you are looking at it as two static numbers, ever hear of trends, JESUSSUSUSUSUS.

if 1.1 mill leave next month and 300k are created that is an improvment, its called a recovery. What do you expect it to flip over immediately, no jobs lost and only jobs created? its going to go up and down until the those leaving are less then made, its the trend we are interested in.

Fuck go to school.