Socialism

[howardroark]

Socialism works very well in societies that are relatively homogenous--meaning everyone has similar traits and capabilities.
In Scandinavia there are practically no homeless, and everyone enjoys a high standard of living.

Scandinavia is far from socialist - Sweden and Denmark, for example, have less regulations than the US. They just have a larger tax/welfare state.

[Soul Crusher]

Why the hell do you Americans consider Obama a socialist..? For Dutch (and most European) standard he's still very rightwing.....

Really?   He was a member of the socialist party as a young one and all the class mates who said he was an open marxist.  

[dr.chimps]

Really?   He was a member of the socialist party as a young one and all the class mates who said he was an open marxist.  

Yeah. And Reagan was a union leader at one point.

And nobody is an 'open Marxist.' That doesn't even make any real sense.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Your kids/family/country aren't a possession and neither is your wealth

[Dr Dutch]

Really?   He was a member of the socialist party as a young one and all the class mates who said he was an open marxist.  

What you Americans call socialist and marxist is what we call at least moderate right wing...

[dr.chimps]

What you Americans call socialist and marxist is what we call at least moderate right wing...

Well, the GOP uses those terms because in America they are politically expedient and incendiary.

[Soul Crusher]

Well, the GOP uses those terms because in America they are politically expedient and incendiary.

Right - because the leftists in this country are the paragons of virtue, maturity, decency, and intelligent debate.     

[Dr Dutch]

Right - because the leftists in this country are the paragons of virtue, maturity, decency, and intelligent debate.     

I'm not a left voter in Holland, but for American standards I would be hanged by mr McCartey..

[dr.chimps]

Right - because the leftists in this country are the paragons of virtue, maturity, decency, and intelligent debate.     

No, they lean to the delusional, not the irrational.

[devilsmile]

this thread is so deppressive, damn! socialism sucks, it's true... makes me almost want a new world order with an "equilibrium" type of societys...

[dr.chimps]

I'm not a left voter in Holland, but for American standards I would be hanged by mr McCartey..

McCarthy!? Wow. That's a blast from the past, but not entirely inappropriate.

[Dr Dutch]

this thread is so deppressive, damn! socialism sucks, it's true... makes me almost want a new world order with an "equilibrium" type of societys...

But "the law of the jungle" sounds very getbig.....

[devilsmile]

But "the law of the jungle" sounds very getbig.....

it may sound like it, yes

[Voland]

Two different points of view, here in Europe barry soetoro is not considered left wing by any means.
However here right wing consider me left wing and left wing consider me extreme right wing.
The difference is americans and europeans consider left or right from different points of view; social, economic, military...etc

[devilsmile]

[Dr Dutch]

The whole Left Right stuff is not appropiate any more. There's economic left/right and non-material left/right. Maybe progressive/conservative is better.

Myself I'm economically a little bit right of the middle and non-material very left wing....

[dr.chimps]

The whole Left Right stuff is not appropiate any more. There's economic left/right and non-material left/right. Maybe progressive/conservative is better.

Myself I'm economically a little bit right of the middle and non-material very left wing....

You sound like a Communist.

[devilsmile]

i go with the golden middle road, allways.

but for some reason if one doesn't want to take a stand to governments games you're a bad person... in that case I'm an evil person. "no you can't just live your life, you need to have the free will to follow us willingly"

ehhh

[_bruce_]

Won't take too long and the "free" money flow will stop.

[240 is Back]

Why the hell do you Americans consider Obama a socialist..? For Dutch (and most European) standard he's still very rightwing.....

if FOX news and radio hosts say it enough, they repeat it.

[nder98]

Your boy Obama

[magikusar]

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
-- Winston Churchill

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read: Unfortunately, most voters don't know this.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

I vote for coach!! AWESOME SHIT