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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2012, 08:27:37 AM »
No, but they definately tried to sell a false reality based on emotion and not fact. 
Ok.. show me the Economic numbers of Detroit from 2008-2012. As well as the Chrystlers numbers for the same time period. If there is a downward trend in either of those graphs.. then the commercial false. If there is a positive trend... then maybe you need to go shut the fuck up....ill be waiting

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2012, 08:29:43 AM »
Detroit is on the brink of collapse and selling off assets.   Swaths of land are abandoned and the city is less than half the size it once was.  The ex mayor is in jail for corruption.
You ccall that recovery?  

This looks like a recovery to me:

In 2009, Detroit's official unemployment rate was more than 20 percent
In 2011, Detroit's official unemployment rate was down to 11.2 percent.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/280259/20120111/detroit-economy-improving-big-three-make-comeback.htm

Helluva good trendline, and Eastwood was right - they're only halfway there.

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2012, 08:31:36 AM »
This looks like a recovery to me:

In 2009, Detroit's official unemployment rate was more than 20 percent
In 2011, Detroit's official unemployment rate was down to 11.2 percent.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/280259/20120111/detroit-economy-improving-big-three-make-comeback.htm

Helluva good trendline, and Eastwood was right - they're only halfway there.

go on 333386 don't let facts get in your way,you never do :D :D :D

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2012, 08:34:34 AM »
Chrysler retail sales shot up 45% in December, for the best month’s retail sales in four years and the best total sales since May 2008. Chrysler’s US sales rose 26% in 2011 versus 2010, the best percentage sales gain of any full-line maker, gaining 1.3 points of market share.

December U.S. sales were 138,019, 37% higher than in December 2010 (100,702 units).

For the year, Chrysler Group sales totaled 1.37 million units, up 26% over 2010. Every brand posted solid sales gains during 2011.

December marked Chrysler Group’s 21st-consecutive month of year-over-year sales gains and seventh-consecutive month of sales increases of at least 20 percent.


http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2012/01/chrysler-sales-shoot-up-37-26-for-2011


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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2012, 08:34:52 AM »
LOL.   And where did they get the money from?   Other taxpayers!   So they made other people poorer to make those people richer.  

Its like taking a cup of water out of one end of the pool, dumping it in the other side, and acting like you did something productive.  

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2012, 08:36:40 AM »
Dodge
Sales of the Dodge Grand Caravan, the brand’s volume leader, increased 67% in December, compared with the same month in 2009. Sales of the Dodge Nitro mid-size sport utility were up 104% in December, while sales of the Dodge Challenger were up 31%. The first sales of the 2011 Dodge Durango began in late December. In 2010, Dodge brand sales increased 17%, compared with sales in 2009.
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2011/01/chrysler-sales-soar-16-in-december


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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2012, 08:54:57 AM »
So in closing.. The commercial was about the rebounding of Crysler and the facts show very positive economic growth. Whats the problem?

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2012, 08:55:46 AM »
So in closing.. The commercial was about the rebounding of Crysler and the facts show very positive economic growth. Whats the problem?

Maybe because they still owe the taxpayer over a billion dollars which will never be paid?   

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2012, 09:07:49 AM »
LOL.   And where did they get the money from?   Other taxpayers!   So they made other people poorer to make those people richer.  

Its like taking a cup of water out of one end of the pool, dumping it in the other side, and acting like you did something productive.  


or like posting 70,000 + posts on a body building web site and thinking your going to change an election :D :D

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2012, 09:21:21 AM »
33, the argument has shifted from

1) This is an obama commercial (debunked by eastwood and producer).

2) The detroit economy is not recovering (we have the numbers saying it is)

and now we're down to

3) But but but it's wrong that any company should take govt bailouts.

That's where we are now.  Pretty funny.  Original statements debunked, now we're putting the entire govt assistance system on trial.  I got news for ya - that ain't changing.  Repubs and dems alike have been throwing billions at US firms to keep them in business, and since these companies do pay taxes and employ millions of people who also pay taxes - you start to understand WHY the govt doesn't let these companies die.  It's like buying medicine for your sick cow.  you *could* just let that heffer die, but if you give it $5 worth of medicine, it can give you $5000 worth of milk.

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2012, 09:22:37 AM »
33, the argument has shifted from

1) This is an obama commercial (debunked by eastwood and producer).

2) The detroit economy is not recovering (we have the numbers saying it is)

and now we're down to

3) But but but it's wrong that any company should take govt bailouts.

That's where we are now.  Pretty funny.  Original statements debunked, now we're putting the entire govt assistance system on trial.  I got news for ya - that ain't changing.  Repubs and dems alike have been throwing billions at US firms to keep them in business, and since these companies do pay taxes and employ millions of people who also pay taxes - you start to understand WHY the govt doesn't let these companies die.  It's like buying medicine for your sick cow.  you *could* just let that heffer die, but if you give it $5 worth of medicine, it can give you $5000 worth of milk.





The makers od the ad made ads for obama and are tied to his campaign.   Did you miss that?   

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2012, 09:29:34 AM »

The makers od the ad made ads for obama and are tied to his campaign.   Did you miss that?   

Wow, someone who was paid to do a commercial had a political opinion? 

33, you donate money to politicians in which you believe - you are 'tied' to them.
If someone uses your lawyer services, they're not suddenly 'supporting tea party canddiates'.
They're just using a lawyer who happens to be politically involved.

Are you saying no television company (or any service) sohuld be used if they have political beliefs? 
Are you saying I shouldn't buy gas from the guy up the street, cause he's an obama voter and any time I pump, I'm putting obama into office?

it gets silly now, dude. 

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2012, 01:07:23 PM »
hahaha he is still trying to spin this and cry about Obama.

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2012, 11:31:08 AM »
Eastwood 'halftime in America' ad inspires debate
Carla Marinucci

San Francisco adman Jeff Goodby was watching the Super Bowl on Sunday - right in the stands - when his cell phone erupted with excited text messages: "Check out that Democratic ad!" and "See that Republican ad?"

The unlikely sensation was actor Clint Eastwood, a Republican, starring in a gritty, two-minute television commercial for Chrysler that went viral. As pictures of American workers flashed on the screen, the star who forged the phrase "make my day" kicked off a national political debate with a new tagline: "It's halftime in America."

Goodby, whose agency, Goodby Silverstein & Partners, has created award-winning ads and put the phrase "Got Milk?" into the national lexicon, said the memorable car spot about America "roaring back" was "beautiful and well done, an inspiration."

The national discussion of the commercial underscores the magic of advertising: how one well-crafted spot selling everyday products can distill the yearnings and dreams of average Americans in a way that political teams selling candidates can only hope to achieve.

But there are such moments. In 1984, San Francisco adman Hal Riney debuted "Morning in America," the iconic spot for President Ronald Reagan's re-election campaign, sending the message of a nation emerging "prouder and stronger and better" from its struggles through a recession.

Party mixer

Goodby said the Oregon ad agency of Wieden+Kennedy, which created the Eastwood spot, also aimed to sell good feelings. The ad "did a good job of avoiding political overtones by using a Republican spokesperson," an actor with longtime GOP loyalties, Goodby added, and melding it with "a Democratic message" of economic comeback.

Talking up the rebound of the auto industry and a resurgent America was hardly political, he said: "What's not to agree with?"

Plenty, according to leading GOP backers and insiders including Karl Rove, who called the Eastwood ad "offensive," and who have eviscerated the Chrysler spot as thinly veiled political propaganda aimed at boosting President Obama's re-election agenda.

Bob Gardner, who heads San Francisco marketing firm the Advocacy Group and is a veteran of national GOP political campaigns, said of the spot aired before a record 111.3 million Super Bowl viewers: "At the end, it should have said, 'I'm Barack Obama and I approve of this message - and thank goodness I didn't have to pay for it.' "

The GOP's scathing reaction to the ad was in sharp contrast to praise from Democrats such as Obama senior adviser David Axelrod, who within minutes of the ad's debut tweeted that it was "powerful" - and praised Republican Eastwood for his involvement.

With California Democrats holding their statewide convention this weekend in San Diego, controversy over the Eastwood commercial's effectiveness raises a key question for Republicans and Democrats as the 2012 election approaches: Which party will more effectively seize a positive message in the presidential campaign?

Negative message

"Republicans don't have a positive message. It's all about 'Obama's a bum,' " said state Democratic chair John Burton, who will address an estimated 3,000 party faithful this weekend.

Burton, who has known Eastwood for a long time, said his friend "was doing an ad about what he believes in - that people want to be positive; they want to be in favor of something, instead of against stuff."

Because Republican presidential candidates for months have been pounding the president for being "antireligion," "antibusiness" and "socialist," some Republicans worry that they're too attached to negative messaging as the nation's job and economic numbers appear to be on the uptick.

"They're using anything and everything to attack Obama - except, of course, a good candidate," said Goodby, who describes himself as "a registered Republican who votes Democratic."

Gardner, who created campaign spots for President Gerald Ford and then-Rep. Dick Cheney, praised the choice of Eastwood for the ad, calling him an American icon. But he argued that the ad's content was a different matter: It didn't sell cars as much as a "subliminal political message" that clearly pushed a Democratic line.

But Los Angeles marketing and advertising consultant Bruce Silverman, who served as creative director at three of the nation's largest ad agencies and produced Merrill Lynch's memorable "We're bullish on America" ad, challenged that notion.

The Eastwood spot and the "Morning in America" ad by Riney, who was Silverman's colleague at the Ogilvy & Mather ad agency, have clear parallels because Riney produced "one of those ads people remember for a lifetime ... because they touch the spirit," Silverman said.

"That ad represented a yearning," Silverman said. "America was down, it wasn't feeling good about itself. But America, by nature, is an optimistic country. We come through tough times, and Riney and his team really tapped into it."

Republican misstep

Ruth Sherman, who heads a media training firm in Connecticut, said Republicans may have made a misstep by jumping on a spot with an "America is back" message.

"Everyone wants to be on the side of Clint Eastwood," said Sherman. "In fact, the car business is back; the auto industry has rebounded ... and for the time being, things are looking up in Detroit.

"So I do think Axelrod co-opting it was the right move, a very good pivot," she said. And Rove "made a mistake by not seizing on it himself and saying, 'This is exactly what we're saying.' "

Goodby said it's too early to tell how well the ad will sell cars or promote the idea that "it's halftime in America." But an ad that stands the test of time, he said, is "something that captures what people are thinking and caring about in a deep way, at a certain point in time."

While the goal of "It's Halftime in America" may have been to sell Chryslers, Goodby said, it may now be judged by something else.

"Let's see if it elects a president - or not," he said.

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2012, 01:02:45 PM »
When Cars Meet Politics, the Clock Is Running

. . . Later that day, “Halftime in America” was seen by an estimated 111 million viewers. Chrysler had seemingly done the impossible: to surpass its acclaimed 2011 Super Bowl commercial, which starred the hip-hop artist Eminem and introduced the memorable tag line “Imported From Detroit.” Coincidentally, the Clint Eastwood spot was broadcast just two days after a report that the unemployment rate fell by two-tenths of a percentage point, to 8.3 percent, buttressing Chrysler’s message that the American economy can bounce back.

Not everyone reacted like the Chrysler dealers. The combination of the strong jobs report and comparisons between the inspirational commercial and Ronald Reagan’s stirring 1984 “Morning in America” campaign seems to have touched some raw nerves. “I was frankly offended by it,” Karl Rove told Fox News on Monday. He then lambasted the rescue of Chrysler and General Motors and insinuated that the ad demonstrated that Chrysler executives “feel they need to do something to repay their political patrons.”

But the $80 billion lent to the two companies came from the administrations of both President George W. Bush and President Obama. And as it happened, Mr. Bush, whom Mr. Rove served in the White House, was addressing the auto dealers in Las Vegas the same day that Mr. Rove took to the airwaves. “I’d do it again,” the former president said of his decision to bail out the auto industry. “I didn’t want there to be 21 percent unemployment.

Chrysler executives were incensed by Mr. Rove’s remarks. “The former spokesperson was attacking not only a short video, but the essence of the bailout of Chrysler and G.M. while his former boss, the former president, was saying exactly the opposite,” a Chrysler spokesman, Gualberto Ranieri, pointed out to me.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/business/how-clint-eastwoods-chrysler-ad-stirred-politics-common-sense.html?_r=1&hp#

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Re: Karl Rove ‘offended’ by Clint Eastwood’s Chrysler ad
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2012, 01:10:16 PM »
The lines are so blurry these days.  Are the parties still true to their ideology?   ;D