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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2012, 11:20:18 AM »

if he has the means to send him to a four year college, why not go for it?

Why throw money down the drain?
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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2012, 11:53:29 AM »

Why throw money down the drain?


Times may be tough, but it is worth remembering that not everyone is on budget, and different people derive value and pleasure from different unnecessary expenses.  In some social circles, people look down on attending a community college—and with good reason: many community colleges are simply not very good.  Saying your son is a student at USC or Stanford has much more cache than saying he is going to the local community college.  Quality of education aside, that is a cache many people are willing to pay for.  If the school comes with a world class training facility for athletics and a slick website that obviously resonates with some parents and students.

Years ago when I was an admissions dean, we had a focus group of students that we routinely worked with; we once asked them why they elected to attend our university.  One student talked about the incredibly beautiful landscaping on our campus (the trees, the hedges, the lawns, etc.) and how they simply wanted to be in that environment.  Every student in the room chimed in and agreed: cosmetics was the primary driver.  Cost, the quality of the faculty, success of alumni, placement into jobs or graduate school didn’t enter into their conscious decision making at all.  Embarrassed


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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2012, 01:40:01 PM »


Times may be tough, but it is worth remembering that not everyone is on budget, and different people derive value and pleasure from different unnecessary expenses.  In some social circles, people look down on attending a community college—and with good reason: many community colleges are simply not very good.  Saying your son is a student at USC or Stanford has much more cache than saying he is going to the local community college.  Quality of education aside, that is a cache many people are willing to pay for.  If the school comes with a world class training facility for athletics and a slick website that obviously resonates with some parents and students.

Years ago when I was an admissions dean, we had a focus group of students that we routinely worked with; we once asked them whey they elected to attend our university.  One student talked about the incredibly beautiful landscaping on our campus (the trees, the hedges, the lawns, etc.) and how they simply wanted to be in that environment.  Every student in the room chimed in and agreed: cosmetics was the primary driver.  Cost, the quality of the faculty, success of alumni, placement into jobs or graduate school didn’t enter into their conscious decision making at all.  Embarrassed
That cache can usually be reflected in starting salaries upon graduation, as well. Coach might want to examine what his son wants/hopes to major in, then factor in costs, and then look at what schools offer him the best bang for buck vis-a-vis those calculations.   
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2012, 03:05:04 PM »

That cache can usually be reflected in starting salaries upon graduation, as well. Coach might want to examine what his son wants/hopes to major in, then factor in costs, and then look at what schools offer him the best bang for buck vis-a-vis those calculations.   

We actually have discussed it. If he doesn't make it as am athletes he wants a career in sports. He did mention he wanted to get onto a college or professional team as.an S&C coach or skills coach.
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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2012, 10:29:45 AM »

Check this article out Coach:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/tennessee-weight-room-mma-cage-know-just-case-173154544.html

Players will be able to walk straight from the 120-yard practice field into the new weight room — a 22,000 square foot "multilevel thunderdome of power," as it's called in UT's promotional video for the facility. Along with the standard free weights, machines, cardiovascular training equipment — which will be situated on a deck that overlooks the weight room — and a nutrition bar, it will feature a mixed martial arts cage "so we can go in and fight and all that stuff," Dooley said.
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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2012, 10:31:36 AM »

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« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2012, 10:51:35 AM »


that university will provide graduates with a great return on Investment..
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« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2012, 11:33:04 AM »

..and came across this. I'll be there at the end of April but damn what a facility. Having a great facility is a selling point for him..and me Tongue.


Check out the video.

http://www.utsports.com/tnfund/tnfund-football-training.html

College is a waste of money all the knowledge that you need you can get from the streets, most of the richest men in the world dropped out of college.
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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2012, 12:40:08 PM »

College is a waste of money all the knowledge that you need you can get from the streets, most some of the richest men in the world dropped out of college.

works for some, not everybody

most people need more guidance
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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2012, 12:44:41 PM »

College is a waste of money all the knowledge that you need you can get from the streets, most of the richest men in the world dropped out of college.

Is that your plan? Huh
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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2012, 12:51:34 PM »

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College is a waste of money all the knowledge that you need you can get from the streets, most of the richest men in the world dropped out of college.
Four men went golfing one day. Three of them headed to the first tee and the fourth went into the clubhouse to take care of the bill. The three men started talking, bragging about their sons.
The first man told the others, "my son is a homebuilder and he is so successful that he gave a friend a new home for free."
The second man said, "My son was a car salesman and now he owns a multi-line dealership. He's so successful that he gave a friend new Mercedes, fully loaded."
The third man spoke of how his son was a stockbroker and he's doing so well that he gave his friend an entire stock portfolio."

The fourth man joined them on the tee after a few minutes of taking care of business. The first man mentioned, "We were just talkingabout our sons. How is yours doing?"
The fourth man replied, "Well, my son is gay, and dances in a gay bar. I'm not totally thrilled about this, but he must be doing well. His last three boyfriends gave him a house, a brand new, fully loaded Mercedes and a stock portfolio
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« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2012, 12:52:50 PM »

Is that your plan? Huh

 I never went to college and i am making good money plus i do not have any college loans to pay off.
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« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2012, 12:55:53 PM »

wasnt your son suposed to become one of the greatest photographer ever?


Keep all this stuff for you, moron. Obviously you seem a bit lost about these matters but its not on getbig you re going to find help.

^^^ never had the college experience...homeschoole d Uby
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« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2012, 12:59:02 PM »

How about Wrestling school?

Former WWE superstar Chyna is finally getting back in the ring ... taking on 9 dudes at the same time ... except it's for a porno movie.

TMZ has learned ... Chyna was totally serious about pursuing a XXX career ... and just wrapped up on a Royal Rumble-inspired flick in which she locks up with a bunch of dudes who all look like famous wrestlers ... including a wannabe Hulk Hogan, wannabe Triple H, wannabe Ric Flair and more.

Weird thing is ... Chyna and the REAL Triple H actually dated for a while before he married Stephanie McMahon back in 2003.

The WWE obviously has no affiliation with the Vivid Entertainment flick. We called the wrestling titans for comment, but haven't heard back yet.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/16/chyna-porn-hulk-hogan/?adid=hero2#.Tz1fTk6PWSo
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« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2012, 01:01:33 PM »

Four men went golfing one day. Three of them headed to the first tee and the fourth went into the clubhouse to take care of the bill. The three men started talking, bragging about their sons.
The first man told the others, "my son is a homebuilder and he is so successful that he gave a friend a new home for free."
The second man said, "My son was a car salesman and now he owns a multi-line dealership. He's so successful that he gave a friend new Mercedes, fully loaded."
The third man spoke of how his son was a stockbroker and he's doing so well that he gave his friend an entire stock portfolio."

The fourth man joined them on the tee after a few minutes of taking care of business. The first man mentioned, "We were just talkingabout our sons. How is yours doing?"
The fourth man replied, "Well, my son is gay, and dances in a gay bar. I'm not totally thrilled about this, but he must be doing well. His last three boyfriends gave him a house, a brand new, fully loaded Mercedes and a stock portfolio


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« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2012, 02:31:15 PM »

Four men went golfing one day. Three of them headed to the first tee and the fourth went into the clubhouse to take care of the bill. The three men started talking, bragging about their sons.
The first man told the others, "my son is a homebuilder and he is so successful that he gave a friend a new home for free."
The second man said, "My son was a car salesman and now he owns a multi-line dealership. He's so successful that he gave a friend new Mercedes, fully loaded."
The third man spoke of how his son was a stockbroker and he's doing so well that he gave his friend an entire stock portfolio."

The fourth man joined them on the tee after a few minutes of taking care of business. The first man mentioned, "We were just talkingabout our sons. How is yours doing?"
The fourth man replied, "Well, my son is gay, and dances in a gay bar. I'm not totally thrilled about this, but he must be doing well. His last three boyfriends gave him a house, a brand new, fully loaded Mercedes and a stock portfolio

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« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2012, 02:40:12 PM »

Coach,

This task can be particularly daunting for both parents and students alike.

May I suggest you try sending him to Columbia University here in New York City.  

I think he would enjoy his time within the institution, possibly play some football, decide to stay for grad school or even find a great career after graduation.

If interested, feel free to PM me.  I did undergrad there and have a few friends on the board of admissions that where college mates during my time.


I tried to be as unbiased as homosexually possible, so give it some thought,
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P.S. I don't know if your son is gay or straight, but if straight, there are many beautiful, intelligent women that attend CU, as well as handsome, well-hung men waiting for his arrival.
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« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2012, 02:52:22 PM »

Coach, I would advise 1 year in Europe...
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« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2012, 02:55:33 PM »

Skipping College as the Path to Success in the High-Tech Industry
By Sandy Baum and Michael McPherson

Struck by all the hoopla about the irrelevance of college education to success in our new world of technology, we decided to ask two talented research assistants from the Spencer Foundation, Charles Kurose and Amato Nocera, to look into the matter. Here, in their own words, is what they found.

In a recent New York Times op-ed piece, “Will Dropouts Save America?”, Michael Ellsberg gives an increasingly popular argument against a college education. The argument runs something like this: wildly successful entrepreneurs like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs dropped out of college. They didn’t need a college degree or the kind of skills that are learned from textbooks or in the classroom: passion, creativity, and a revolutionary idea fueled their success and gave the world two of its greatest tech companies: Microsoft and Apple.

Although the anecdote about Gates and Jobs is true, the conclusion that follows seems rather strange: just like Bill and Steve, you—the average American—needn’t waste your time and money on college in search of professional success.  Ellsberg suggests that beyond “classic” professions like doctor, lawyer, and engineer “the focus on higher education as the only path to stable employment is profoundly misguided.”  It’s worth considering just how misguided this focus actually is by examining an industry that is dominated by a profession that could hardly be called classic in this sense—the tech industry.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), out of the 1,811,000 jobs held by persons aged 25 years and over and who are employed in “computer systems design and related services” (an industry that includes computer and information systems design as well as software development) only about 7 percent have only a high-school degree. Of course, one’s odds of breaking into the industry improve slightly if you’ve obtained an associate’s degree (8 percent of persons employed) or attended some college and did not finish (12 percent of persons employed). But, rather unsurprisingly, the vast majority of employees in this industry have earned a bachelor’s degree or higher (73 percent). As the BLS notes, “the education level of workers in this industry is higher than average.”

But what about those of us who want to be one of the movers and shakers in this industry? The anecdote given by Ellsberg implies not only that college is a waste of time if you’re seeking professional success in the tech industry, but that college is especially a waste of time if you’re seeking to push technology forward as one of the stewards of this industry. As it turns out, this couldn’t be further from the truth.

A quick glance at the biographies of executive employees at Microsoft and Apple reveals a central problem with such a claim. Microsoft’s Web page lists 124 executives, and educational information is available on 120. Since Gates is no longer employed at Microsoft, only one executive listed at this tech giant fits the college-dropout motif, while the other 119 went through the far less flashy route of earning at least a bachelor’s degree. Indeed, the majority of Microsoft’s executives (58 percent) have earned degrees higher than a B.A. And at Apple, with the passing of Steve Jobs, 100 percent of its leaders have earned at least a B.A., and the majority (56 percent) have earned an advanced degree. If you’re looking to get yourself a senior position in the tech industry, where you are in the best position to innovate and develop new technology, it may be a good idea to get at least a B.A.

The stories of wildly successful college dropouts are fascinating and play to some of our deepest fantasies. If you happen to be an actual genius with a truly revolutionary idea, and if fate smiles on you, then maybe you should drop out of college. But chances are you’re not that person. In any case, the numbers tell us one thing: you wouldn’t be misguided at all to think that getting a college degree is the wisest pathway to a successful professional career, whether that be in one of Ellsberg’s “classic” professions or elsewhere. Indeed, you may be misguided to think otherwise.
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« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2012, 02:55:52 PM »

gayer than using athletic facilities as a criterion for colleges
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« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2012, 03:42:40 PM »

Coach,

This task can be particularly daunting for both parents and students alike.

May I suggest you try sending him to Columbia University here in New York City.  

I think he would enjoy his time within the institution, possibly play some football, decide to stay for grad school or even find a great career after graduation.

If interested, feel free to PM me.  I did undergrad there and have a few friends on the board of admissions that where college mates during my time.


I tried to be as unbiased as homosexually possible, so give it some thought,
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P.S. I don't know if your son is gay or straight, but if straight, there are many beautiful, intelligent women that attend CU, as well as handsome, well-hung men waiting for his arrival.

Thanks but definitely not Columbia. 
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« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2012, 03:45:52 PM »

College is a waste of money all the knowledge that you need you can get from the streets, most of the richest men in the world dropped out of college.

I disagree. Every time I step onto a college campus (especially USC and UCLA) I kick myself and wish I would have finished college. I want him to experience what I didn't and wish I had. 
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« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2012, 04:03:22 PM »

I disagree. Every time I step onto a college campus (especially USC and UCLA) I kick myself and wish I would have finished college. I want him to experience what I didn't and wish I had. 

Have you considered Clown College?
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« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2012, 04:05:52 PM »

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« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2012, 04:09:36 PM »

Have you considered Clown College?

I expected more from you than a cheap jab. I guess all attorneys are not as professional as they seem.
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