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My Take on Myths
« on: February 15, 2012, 01:28:38 AM »
There are several statements and comments made on a regular basis that I view as myths and misinformation. Many times they can be based on a bit of truth, but they're often twisted and contorted in a way that takes the truth into the realm of myth or complete ridiculousness. Anyway, here's my opinion:

Myth: Testosterone will always make you bloated, bloofy or whatever you want to call it.
Truth: Almost any healthy adult male can tolerate 500mg of testosterone per week easily, many can tolerate up to 1,000mg per week quite well and without any serious or even notable bloating. When you go over the 1,000mg mark, then you've got a lot more aromatazation to deal with, and this is where a lot of guys get into trouble. You can truly only use so much testosterone, and it may be a little different with each guy, but 1,000mg is typically controllable in the "Bloofy" department. In-order to control it, one thing that's useful is smaller, more frequent injections even with large ester testosterone compounds. This way your body only has to deal with small amounts at a time. AI's also help a great deal, I know a lot of people on here don't like them, but I wouldn't run a contest diet without them or without Test. Further, just controlling your carb intake, eating enough but not more than you actually need is huge!

Myth: Winstrol is bad for athletes due to joint issues.
Truth: Winstrol is one of the most common steroids used by athletes in most all sports; in-fact, other than Deca-Durabolin, it is the most commonly used steroid in the NFL. For strength and speed, it's tough to beat. Yes, there are more powerful steroids in this regard, but the side-effects are easy to control and it's normally a very well-tolerate steroid.

Myth: Masteron makes the need for an AI irrelevant.
Truth: Masteron CAN make the need for an AI irrelevant but that doesn't mean it will. It's not going to be as strong at inhibiting aromatase as an AI, and if you're in contest mode, to truly benefit in this manner you're going to more than likely need an AI, even if you're supplementing with Masteron. If you're not in contest mode but cutting and using Masteron, then sure, there's a good chance you won't need an AI...it will depend largely on what your total stack looks like and your overall genetic predisposition.

Myth: Masteron is a great bulking steroid.
Truth: Masteron may be one of the worst bulking steroids of all time. It will do very little to promote mass of any notable worth...there are far more efficient steroids for this purpose. Save Masteron for cutting cycles.

Myth: Equipoise is a fantastic bulking steroid.
Truth: Equipoise can be an OK bulking steroid, but to gain any true benefit in a bulking phase it better be conjoined with a few other steroids and create more or less of a harmonious effect. You can pack on a lot more quality mass with Testosterone (any form) Nandrolone (any form) and Trenbolone (any form). I'd even put Anadrol and Dianabol in front of EQ in this stage. When EQ is truly beneficial, when it's worth its true weight is when cutting...a great steroid for the front end of a cutting cycle.

Myth: Certain steroids can make you fat.
Truth: This comment pops up here on getbig.com almost daily, and it has got to be one of the single most ridiculous comments I've ever seen. If it's an anabolic steroid, it doesn't matter which one it is, it cannot make you fat; the idea that certain steroids can make you fat goes against the very nature of what anabolic steroids are. Think about it; anabolic steroids enhance your metabolism, they enable you to make better use of every nutrient you consume, and largely block and even reduce glucocorticoid hormones. If you're getting fat, you're eating too much...end of story.

Myth: Side-Effects are an indicator that a hormone is working well.
Truth: Like the fat comment above, this one is pretty ridiculous; if you take Aspirin and you don't experience any side-effects, do you immediately assume it's not working? Most NSAID painkillers like Aspirin carry possible side-effects that can be horrific, often far beyond what any anabolic steroid could possibly cause...again, if no side-effects occur, does this mean it's not working; of course not. If your steroids are of a quality nature, they're clean and dosed properly, if you're a healthy adult male and you don't supplement like an idiot, the odds are you're not going to experience too many side-effects if any at all. Most healthy adult men can tolerate most anabolic steroids very well. For crying out loud, these are hormones we already produce naturally, you're already accustomed to them, and on that basis alone there will normally be some level of toleration.

OK, that's it for now. I've already thought of about twenty more but I'll shut up for the moment.  ;D

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Re: My Take on Myths
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 01:53:51 AM »
Nice post man, i am interested in the other ones.  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 01:57:33 AM »
Bloofy post.

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Re: My Take on Myths
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 04:29:27 AM »
There are several statements and comments made on a regular basis that I view as myths and misinformation. Many times they can be based on a bit of truth, but they're often twisted and contorted in a way that takes the truth into the realm of myth or complete ridiculousness. Anyway, here's my opinion:

Myth: Testosterone will always make you bloated, bloofy or whatever you want to call it.
Truth: Almost any healthy adult male can tolerate 500mg of testosterone per week easily, many can tolerate up to 1,000mg per week quite well and without any serious or even notable bloating. When you go over the 1,000mg mark, then you've got a lot more aromatazation to deal with, and this is where a lot of guys get into trouble. You can truly only use so much testosterone, and it may be a little different with each guy, but 1,000mg is typically controllable in the "Bloofy" department. In-order to control it, one thing that's useful is smaller, more frequent injections even with large ester testosterone compounds. This way your body only has to deal with small amounts at a time. AI's also help a great deal, I know a lot of people on here don't like them, but I wouldn't run a contest diet without them or without Test. Further, just controlling your carb intake, eating enough but not more than you actually need is huge!

you have to eat clean for high dose testosterona to not make you bloofy and it still! most likley will unless high dose hgh ,, be accurate dont just tell them something,, it is not true 1 gram testosterona will make you lok like shit if you dont eat clean ,, ,and it will! it canmake you look ok and by ok bodybuuild wize i mean large and 9% but holding water to a point it just dont look good not much muscle detail flat dan hill type look

Myth: Winstrol is bad for athletes due to joint issues.
Truth: Winstrol is one of the most common steroids used by athletes in most all sports; in-fact, other than Deca-Durabolin, it is the most commonly used steroid in the NFL. For strength and speed, it's tough to beat. Yes, there are more powerful steroids in this regard, but the side-effects are easy to control and it's normally a very well-tolerate steroid.

horible drugs,, one of the worst drugs if you actualy lift weights,, for the pussys it wont matter but if you like lifting it is horrible horrible drug




Myth: Masteron makes the need for an AI irrelevant.
Truth: Masteron CAN make the need for an AI irrelevant but that doesn't mean it will. It's not going to be as strong at inhibiting aromatase as an AI, and if you're in contest mode, to truly benefit in this manner you're going to more than likely need an AI, even if you're supplementing with Masteron. If you're not in contest mode but cutting and using Masteron, then sure, there's a good chance you won't need an AI...it will depend largely on what your total stack looks like and your overall genetic predisposition.

masteron may not be enough! ,, but! ai and especialy ai are horrible ,, it makes fellas like you impotents and yes i mean what i say ,, impotents that need viagra in age 22 and dont tell me fellas herre dont know what i talk about,, you canget to superb condition with out ai

Myth: Masteron is a great bulking steroid.
Truth: Masteron may be one of the worst bulking steroids of all time. It will do very little to promote mass of any notable worth...there are far more efficient steroids for this purpose. Save Masteron for cutting cycles.

you can use it in both cases as estrogen blocker,, it wil do its job very effectivly ,, together with primobolana it wil create sharp physiqe even when bulkking add trenbolona and you have machine ,, add hgh and insulina and you have mutation

Myth: Equipoise is a fantastic bulking steroid.
Truth: Equipoise can be an OK bulking steroid, but to gain any true benefit in a bulking phase it better be conjoined with a few other steroids and create more or less of a harmonious effect. You can pack on a lot more quality mass with Testosterone (any form) Nandrolone (any form) and Trenbolone (any form). I'd even put Anadrol and Dianabol in front of EQ in this stage. When EQ is truly beneficial, when it's worth its true weight is when cutting...a great steroid for the front end of a cutting cycle.

eqiopona is a very good drug and it realy depends how much water you want to hold on you over all for decision if you going to use it ,, over all equipona can be used and should be used for both bulking and cutting

Myth: Certain steroids can make you fat.
Truth: This comment pops up here on getbig.com almost daily, and it has got to be one of the single most ridiculous comments I've ever seen. If it's an anabolic steroid, it doesn't matter which one it is, it cannot make you fat; the idea that certain steroids can make you fat goes against the very nature of what anabolic steroids are. Think about it; anabolic steroids enhance your metabolism, they enable you to make better use of every nutrient you consume, and largely block and even reduce glucocorticoid hormones. If you're getting fat, you're eating too much...end of story.

today bodybild want to eat more like normal fellas ,, i gav them the way to do it....so yes if you eat like normal fellas while keeping macros as in enough protien ...you will get  fat on testosterona high doses,, yuo wil get  fat on dianabola and testosterona combos,,  you need hgh its a must ,, steroids CAN and will make you fat! if not eating clean unless you have specific hormones in blood both steroids and growth and in many times fast burners

Myth: Side-Effects are an indicator that a hormone is working well.
Truth: Like the fat comment above, this one is pretty ridiculous; if you take Aspirin and you don't experience any side-effects, do you immediately assume it's not working? Most NSAID painkillers like Aspirin carry possible side-effects that can be horrific, often far beyond what any anabolic steroid could possibly cause...again, if no side-effects occur, does this mean it's not working; of course not. If your steroids are of a quality nature, they're clean and dosed properly, if you're a healthy adult male and you don't supplement like an idiot, the odds are you're not going to experience too many side-effects if any at all. Most healthy adult men can tolerate most anabolic steroids very well. For crying out loud, these are hormones we already produce naturally, you're already accustomed to them, and on that basis alone there will normally be some level of toleration.


didnt read dont care,, over all it depends on the productr you use...the best hgh do not giv eyou sides beside positive sides such as....nail growth etc ,, with steroids it depends,, sides are menatly mainly


OK, that's it for now. I've already thought of about twenty more but I'll shut up for the moment.  ;D


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im aware you cant stand gh15,, but i cant let it just go with out respond ,, i have bunch of fellas walking in my shoes cant let them be even slightly misguided even if this is what you believe in ,,sorry

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Re: My Take on Myths
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 05:51:05 AM »
Equipona is great for bulking !! It make s me hungry as shit,,,,,
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 07:10:47 AM »
Equipona is great for bulking !! It make s me hungry as shit,,,,,

thats why I'm a little afraid of using it on a cut
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 07:19:37 AM »
Myth=Primo and Anavar aren't good at packing on muscle!

Truth= 99% of Anavar and primo are fake, underdosed shit and if you believe the above you are used fake or underdosed products, don't know how to train, or eat or any of the combination of above.  In other words........BOTH are fucking amazing compounds, especially when stacked together!


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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 09:44:24 AM »
I like the part about hormones making you "fat" LOL

I definitely agree with you, it's all about what you eat, doesn't even necessary need to be clean, but just don't overeat!!  And that's the problem most guys do.. anyways, people always confuse water with fat, so on dbol test etc etc, holding more water = appearance of fat..one should control carb intake too on those hormones that make them "fat", that way = hold less water = less making them fat  ;D

Not any new information, as most fellas know this, just my two cents LOL

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 09:45:31 AM »
^^Goes back before to other threads, that you can cut or bulk on any steroid really... all about diet!! 

Again, most well-trained pupils know this  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 11:15:52 AM »
I agree 100%, Primo is a worthless bulking drug. Too bad it didn't work for this guy in the pic below...for had  he used some testoserone instead of that shitty primo he could of been fairly muscular at one point in his life :D


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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2012, 11:36:36 AM »

read what i put there on top you will see the real truth about high competetive bodybuild ,, and more importantly on the highest competetive bodybuild 80s 90s and 2000s

im aware you cant stand gh15,, but i cant let it just go with out respond ,, i have bunch of fellas walking in my shoes cant let them be even slightly misguided even if this is what you believe in ,,sorry

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I can't stand gh15? Actually, I think you've said a lot of good things on here over the years. Do I agree with every last thing you say? No, of course not, and I doubt there's a person alive I could say that about. Take Arnold for example, obviously I like the guy, my screen name implies that, but I sure don't agree with everything he says. I remember hearing Arnold answer a question about shoulder training 5 or 6 years ago, and he said if you're not training shoulders at least three times a week and at least 27 sets per shoulder workout you're wasting your time. Obviously I disagree with this....Arnold got away with training like that because his genetics were far above and beyond the average man, but I'd be willing to bet every dime I have that he would have been even more muscular if he had trained with far less sets....same intensity, sure, but less overtraining.

My point, just because I disagree with some things someone says doesn't mean I can't stand them. Now, when it comes to steroids and hormones in general, sure, if someone is completely distorting the truth to promote an emotionally based end like Dr. Gary Wadler does on a daily basis, this is something I truly have a problem with.

Now, as it pertains directly to you, the only things I really have a problem with are some of your comments that are of an absolute nature when the topic is not always as black and white as you make it out to be. That doesn't mean there isn't some truth to the statement, but things are not always perfectly black and white.

As for your direct comments to my OP...misguided? Testosterone, it seems like we actually agree more than we disagree...I agree, if you supplement with 1,000mg/wk and eat like a pig, you're going to look like a pig. There's no disagreement here. As for Test making you look flat, that one we disagree on.

EQ, I never said it couldn't be used as a good bulking steroid, it can be. I do think it can be more useful when cutting and I think there are other steroids that are better bulking agents than EQ, but this doesn't make EQ worthless for bulking.

Masteron, this is probably the steroid we disagree on more so than anything else, and I'll just leave it at that.

Winny, the best bodybuilding steroid? Of course not, and if I implied that it was a mistake. For athletes, absolutely, it's fantastic. For bodybuilders, it can be a good addition to the end of a cutting cycle if they're lean enough. It shouldn't be viewed as a foundational steroid for bodybuilders, but more or less a supplement to supplemental steroid use.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 02:16:02 PM »
Myth=Primo and Anavar aren't good at packing on muscle!

Truth= 99% of Anavar and primo are fake, underdosed shit and if you believe the above you are used fake or underdosed products, don't know how to train, or eat or any of the combination of above.  In other words........BOTH are fucking amazing compounds, especially when stacked together!



NOW THIS! is truthfil information! very good

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 02:24:24 PM »
Would it not be fair to say that the response compunds vary from individuals. We know very well from the many posts about what hormones do what and which are the stronger ones, but could it be that Primo just worked very well for Arnold and that someone else it may work well for but they get better results from tren from example?

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 06:15:40 PM »
Would it not be fair to say that the response compunds vary from individuals. We know very well from the many posts about what hormones do what and which are the stronger ones, but could it be that Primo just worked very well for Arnold and that someone else it may work well for but they get better results from tren from example?

Individual response always plays a role...it plays a role in everything in life. For example, most of us can eat peanuts, but some of us get deathly sick if we touch the first one. Even so, while individual response to a hormone will play a role, there are still basic truths that always remain. For example, (just using the two steroids you mentioned) yes, Primo can be a good steroid, and quality Primo can do some good things, but even if you have the best Primo on earth and you have an excellent response to the steroid Tren will still always be the more powerful hormone. It could be the individual is a poor responder to Tren, he might have issues with side-effects and due to this is able to use Primo with more success....that doesn't make Primo the better steroid or the more powerful or whatever you want to call it. If all things are equal, Tren is the better choice, and there are countless examples like this.

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2012, 08:56:18 PM »
Good informative post Arj!!  Finally a break from the gh15 crap that is on the g and o everyday pushing growth hormone.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2012, 09:06:16 PM »
i see mr palestine here is not get ready for the end of iran ,,, isnt syria now falin apart? go home join the hammes and blow yourself up like your innocent kids you throw over there ,, retard


now ,,  in general!

if any one of you actualy used legit primobolana ACATATO inject form you would understand why and how lean muscle and ONLY lean muscle can be added to once physiqe,, put in the hgh and insulina and you got top amatuer


ofcourse combo of everything is needed as usualy trenbolona and primobolana and other products,, but! if you actualy have legit primobolana you are doign very very well ,, VERY VERY well even with sub par genetioc,, you will be called HUGE when you are 210 lb ,, this is how good you do with some hgh and primobolana

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2012, 11:25:52 PM »
I sware  I'm two 200mg shots into primo (first time running it) and my face looks like a different person, gear bloat is gone. WOW...I'm grinning ear to ear lol I forgot I had cheekbones
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 12:11:01 AM »
I sware  I'm two 200mg shots into primo (first time running it) and my face looks like a different person, gear bloat is gone. WOW...I'm grinning ear to ear lol I forgot I had cheekbones

That's great man but I'd be skeptical about it making a massive difference that fast...I mean, 2 shots only means you're probably no more than a week into it, maybe a little less. I mean we're talking about a large ester base steroid, it's not that fast acting. It may be a great steroid, you might have some really good Primo, but you've got to take into account all the other things you're doing gear wise, food wise, everything wise.

I'm not trying to blow a hole in your happy thought, just stating how I see it.

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2012, 12:19:37 AM »
That's great man but I'd be skeptical about it making a massive difference that fast...I mean, 2 shots only means you're probably no more than a week into it, maybe a little less. I mean we're talking about a large ester base steroid, it's not that fast acting. It may be a great steroid, you might have some really good Primo, but you've got to take into account all the other things you're doing gear wise, food wise, everything wise.

I'm not trying to blow a hole in your happy thought, just stating how I see it.

lol he uses acatato ,, not depot friend...most liekley acatato ,, changes within hours

this is the problem ,, fellas dont get it there is a big scam of fake naturals all on primobolana and trenbolona looking better than ifbb profesionals lol

acatato ester changes happen within hours...you actualy see changes by the week on a regular basis with the acatato ester,, if lean enough you see them by the days and hours

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 12:20:31 AM »
pretty much agree with your post 100%  I think lately

test 250mg
eq  900
tren 300-600

has become the main getbig cycle not that its not good and this and that but for the most part test,deca or dbol will to the same thing thing. If ones not trying to step on a stage. The test bloofy stuff has got a little one sided almost as much as the test as the base of any cycle type shit. If you are low on money and just recreational lifting/bodybuilding test is your best bet problay and wont generally make you extremely bloated and this and that.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2012, 12:24:29 AM »
notice what he say!,, he see his cheek bones,, what he has right now after 2 shots is slight increase in lean muscle,, while muscle get more denser due to this small increase in lean muscle...yes 2 injects already starting the process especialy when he is 17 or 19 he is teenager lol btu anyone would see same thign...small increase in lean muscle ,, slight but same time...body hardens on you ...water is starting to being reduced by the primobolana acatato...and hardeining effect thus chizeling effect taking place,,

now day when he stand on the machine looking to the side into mirror...whiel arms resing on the machine watching what going on in gymnasium....now day he can start seeiung horse shoe lines...since muscle grow and skin tighten itself on muscle ,, not like with hgh but close enough at age 19,,

primobolana make you SEE the muscle not only say you have it : )

acatato is preferable version for you dont hav eto wait no time for it to happen especialy if 10% or under ,,

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2012, 12:26:18 AM »
pretty much agree with your post 100%  I think lately

test 250mg
eq  900
tren 300-600

has become the main getbig cycle not that its not good and this and that but for the most part test,deca or dbol will to the same thing thing. If ones not trying to step on a stage. The test bloofy stuff has got a little one sided almost as much as the test as the base of any cycle type shit. If you are low on money and just recreational lifting/bodybuilding test is your best bet problay and wont generally make you extremely bloated and this and that.
if you like eating clean then be my friend,, use lot of testosterona,, it still wil give you bloofyness mark my words ,, inorder to utilize testosterona best in high doses....you hav eto have in blood hgh for logn time in high doses ,, no 3 iu wont cut it

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2012, 06:43:26 AM »
Good informative post Arj!!  Finally a break from the gh15 crap that is on the g and o everyday pushing growth hormona.


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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 06:45:48 AM »
lol he uses acatato ,, not depot friend...most liekley acatato ,, changes within hours

this is the problem ,, fellas dont get it there is a big scam of fake naturals all on primobolana and trenbolona looking better than ifbb profesionals lol

acatato ester changes happen within hours...you actualy see changes by the week on a regular basis with the acatato ester,, if lean enough you see them by the days and hours

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Is there a log? or can someone who starts tren ace start a log with pictures every 6 hours or so. im really curious to see if the changes are THAT fast and THAT magical

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 07:02:27 AM »
i had micro tears twice on winstrol ,, never again ,,
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