Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!

[bigmc]

she ran out of a station, had already been checked for weapons.  what fucking harm an 100lb drug addict running bitch to no where is going to do with tight hand cuffs on?  man, be real.  only difference is if that had been in louisiana that fucker would have pulled his gun and shot her in the back of the head and probably would have planted a gun when the camera turned.  then again, louisiana cops like to cap retards on raps after hurricanes.

she ran - the end

sure he should have tackled her but she put herself in the situation that gave him the option

[MAXX]

I think those tasers should be used only in emergency when the cop is in danger for his own safety. there has been to many cases where people had heart attacks and other injuries from it.

yes that girl was dumb as hell for running never the less that cop was just lazy and sadistic.

[purenaturalstrength]

she ran - the end

sure he should have tackled her but she put herself in the situation that gave him the option

lol you retards always do this in these threads


justifying excessive use of force


"she had it coming"

"her own fault"


etcetera


would you use the same logic on a normal person using excessive force?


police officers are supposed to be held accountable to a higher degree, not get a free pass to taze old ladies

[NeoSeminole]

yes you are mind reading, go read about it in cbt, you are making unfounded assumptions that have little probability and ignoring the higher probability outcomes, irrational.

so is someone not allowed to run towards highways? that commands breaking police policy and risking someones life on the assumption she may risk others?

running into traffic and fucking hitting someone in a car are a bit different, you acting as though they are the same is laughable. However, i grant you all those points, she clearly used drugs and shouldn't be driving, theres no laws against running under the influence. Seriously, the outcome doesn't come close to matching the crime, thus something went wrong. We know what went wrong the officer broke policy and decided that risking her life 100% was better then risking others at a much lower probability. I'm not suggesting not to stop her but the weapon utilization shouldn't be on the table while shes running, handcuffed clearly the risk to her life is greatly exaggerated in this context.

You are the one who is "mind reading." Watch the video. The woman clearly runs towards US-19, which is a busy road. The trooper who was there and had a better vantage point than us also says the woman was heading towards the road. Now let's the review the facts. She had already been involved in two hit-and-run accidents, was driving without a license, slipped off her handcuff in the back of the patrol cruiser, fled from the station, and had cocaine in her system. The woman clearly had little regard for the law and there's no telling what could have happened if she escaped. Maybe third time is the charm and the next hit-and-run might kill someone.

The trooper said she had a head-start and was running in the direction of US-19. I would estimate the distance between the station and the road to be no more than 100 feet based on the video. It was the length of a small parking lot. The trooper had to make a split second decision to put an end to the pursuit and he chose to tase her. An investigation by The Florida Department of Law Enforcement determined that his actions were justified. I will trust their knowledge of the law and expertise over an anonymous poster on GetBig

[NeoSeminole]

so i have never heard of a gun stopping someones heart, inducing intractable seizures, causing people to smash there head on the ground and become a vegetable. Its safer but it's still has lethal outcomes or outcomes that are terrible. A gun can be lethal just like a taser, however, it is more lethal.

This juxtaposition you implying doesn't make any sense.

oh yeah? A gun can't stop a person's heart? What do you think would happen if you took a bullet to the left chest where your heart is? Intractable seizures? I guess that's worse than having your brains blown out. How common is it for a taser to stop someone's heart or induce an intractable seizure? Where are the statistics? As for "causing people to smash their head on the ground and become a vegetable," that's an indirect result - not a direct result - of the taser. That's like saying chasing after criminals is bad b/c the criminal may slip and land on his head, causing him to become a vegetable

[Fortress]

Dear satan.

These cops are too much.

Here we have a fat fuck with a badge tasering some little chick because she, likely in fright, bolts.

I HATE this fatass fuck. Shoot him in the face.

I am disgusted.

Her little sob after she falls breaks my heart. 

[Ropo]

The Florida Highway Patrol have cleared 267-pound Trooper Daniel Cole of wrongdoing and have released a disturbing dash cam video that captured him tasing a 100 pound, 20 year old handcuffed girl in the back as she fled. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement determined Trooper Daniel Cole's "use of force" was justified when he tased the woman last September at the FHP Pinellas Park Substation and cleared him of wrongdoing. The fleeing woman, Danielle Maudsley, 20, suffered severe brain damage after hitting her head on the concrete and has been in a persistent vegetative state ever since.
The video shows Maudsley fleeing a back door of the substation with Cole following closely behind

Maudsley's mother said the trooper should have used other means to stop her daughter from fleeing. "He was right behind her. He could've reached out," Maudsley said. "It was unnecessary." The mother hired defense attorney Kevin Haylsett, who put FHP on notice for a lawsuit. Hayslett said Cole violated FHP's taser policy which states: "Fleeing cannot be the sole reason for the deployment." "When you shoot someone in the back, and they're running away, all that force -- as you saw when Danielle's head hit the concrete -- that's why they don't allow you to do that, because you can have horrible tragedies like this," Hayslett said.

- Discuss

So, what we learn about this? When you are handcuffed and arrested, shut the fuck up and obey the orders. That is all. If you are arrested for what ever reason, obey orders what is given to you by the police. If not, shut the fuck up, if you are hurt by police. Very simple. You doesn't have to agree with them, but you must obey the orders. Otherwise, they may kill you. Very simple thing to understand. Police is the ultimate force in your country, so don't fuck with them. You will get hurt. The path of least effort is always to obey orders and see what happens.

[Dr Dutch]

So, what we learn about this? When you are handcuffed and arrested, shut the fuck up and obey the orders. That is all. If you are arrested for what ever reason, obey orders what is given to you by the police. If not, shut the fuck up, if you are hurt by police. Very simple. You doesn't have to agree with them, but you must obey the orders. Otherwise, they may kill you. Very simple thing to understand. Police is the ultimate force in your country, so don't fuck with them. You will get hurt. The path of least effort is always to obey orders and see what happens.

x2  plus: never touch a fat cops donut, especially when handcuffed....

[Voice of Doom]

The law is never wrong.
Enforcement of law is morally correct
Obedience to authority is morally correct
If the law is wrong...the law is never wrong.

[Agnostic007]

As my dad says, "These cops are just criminals with a badge." He is a former police officer btw.

Then your dad was a criminal and is rationalizing his own criminal perverted behavior by painting all cops with the same broad brush your dad sucked on... JMHO

[Skeletor]

Cops clear their buddies of any wrongdoing. Who would've thought..

[Bad News Brown]

Running away from a cop while in handcuffs, Just plain stupid....

[purenaturalstrength]

[Agnostic007]

Very confused as to how the use of force was justified in this one... Seems it would be akin to shooting a fleeing subject in the back.

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I'll walk you through it Tu..

Most reasonable people know that if you shoot someone in the back with a hand gun it has a MUCH more likelihood of causing death or serious bodily harm. However study after study and after thousands of actual uses, it has been determined that tasering someone in the back has a substantially lower risk factor than shooting them. I know..sounds fishy right? But you can't argue science.

Now, being someone who has both tackled and used a Taser on someone I know that in this scenario, 9 times out of 10, it won't end well for the handcuffed subject. But here is the kicker.... the cop still has to catch her somehow. Typically, if you eliminate the taser, cops generally either tackle, or push the running subject around the shoulders to send them sprawling to the ground. In most cases, this results in road rash and a possible concussion either way.. In some cases no matter what the cop does to stop the fleeing subject, tragedy strikes and serious damage is caused. Which leads me to my final point.. If you don't want to take the risk of having brain damage from a freak accident, DON'T run from the cops...

Hope this helps you get your brain around it Tu  

[Agnostic007]

not sure why there is so much hate for cops on here.hind sight is always 20/20. my guess that he wishes he could go back and do things differently. the girl should not have ran and its unfortunate what happened to her..but all in all SHE caused he her injury by actions

Exactly. Cops not sitting around the campfire at night laughing about it.. Probably can't get the sound of her head hitting the pavement out of his mind..

[Agnostic007]

Are there no fitness "Benchmarks" for being a cop?

At a pudgy 267lbs this guy couldn't run 100 yards without sucking wind. Pathetic.

The best and the brightest  

And you do....?

[Agnostic007]

what does being a drug addict have to do with breaking police policy and using excessive force, clearly it was excessive since the outcome does not match the crime. Dude gave her a life sentence for running because he is stupid.

lets see, as a superior intellect lets point out the assumptions you have made to form your sentence.

you state she is a drug user as evidence she doesn't value her life, this implicates that all drug users are suicidal, you have no reason to believe. From her actions she clearly values her life and freedom what do you think these people are autonomous robots that have no self preservation? go read a book.

nice assumption with no evidence as usual that tackling is more dangerous then taser usage. The assumption is wrong, as a doctor i can tell you that running a current through someone without medical history is clearly more dangerous then tackling someone. Also, she was 100 pounds you are acting as if he would have to break her in half to stop her, lol.

So many stupid fucks on this board.

Speaking of stupid fucks... hi 

You cannot determine what is reasonable force solely based on the outcome. That would be ludicrous. ANY use of force has the potential to result in some freak accidental outcome. What person would put on a uniform if held to such a ridiculous standard?

I didn't take that drunk driver into custody because I was afraid if I put my hands on him he could pull back and what if his head hit the curb? He could die and I would be charged with excessive force....

I didnt...well you get the point.. I hope

Use of force standards are in place well before the officer hits the streets. They are fashioned as reasonable as possible. We KNOW Tasers have a short term effect on the body and are deemed safe 99% of the time. We have policies about using electronic devices on people who are obviously pregnant, obviously juvenile, obviously covered in flammable liquids etc etc.. We have rules against using them on handcuffed subjects in most cases.

This cop in this case apparently followed the rules, she did not. 9 times out of 10 that would have ended with her back in custody with road rash. It is really fucktards like you, no offense, that live in this Alice in Wonderland world that really need to just shut the fuck up and buy a clue.

Again, no offense.         

[mik1111]

serve and protect LOL

[Agnostic007]

the fact that the cop stays on duty says mountains about your typical leo ,he has no remorse.wheather it is justified or not he directly caused the girl serious bodily harm.if it were anyone else even 10 yr.old kids plying around they would be held responsible.they have a fucked up reasoning process and most people except it as logical, especialy women, and they are the most vocal propnents of the fucked up laws.our forfathers were very much correct that women should not be able to vote.

You'll be on here next week whining about personal responsibility in some other thread..

[Agnostic007]

Your responses are all "what ifs" and "could have happeneds"

Too bad that factually speaking, we have some and that None of those are FACTS.

What is a fact is that while the girl was certainly no saint, she didn't deserve to end up braindead... Which she IS.

Fact - She was under arrest and attempted to escape
Fact- Taser, whether you admit it or not (Irrelevant) is deemed less than lethal force
Fact- He had a duty to take her back into custody
Fact- He used an authorized means to do so. A means that has been deployed thousands of times with success
Fact- She brought this upon herself


No one will argue that she did not "deserve" to end up brain dead, However when you weigh the options of trying to escape you should probably put somewhere on that list that the cops will try and catch you and bad things could happen to include death and or brain damage in the ensuing chase.   

[tu_holmes]

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I'll walk you through it Tu..

Most reasonable people know that if you shoot someone in the back with a hand gun it has a MUCH more likelihood of causing death or serious bodily harm. However study after study and after thousands of actual uses, it has been determined that tasering someone in the back has a substantially lower risk factor than shooting them. I know..sounds fishy right? But you can't argue science.

Now, being someone who has both tackled and used a Taser on someone I know that in this scenario, 9 times out of 10, it won't end well for the handcuffed subject. But here is the kicker.... the cop still has to catch her somehow. Typically, if you eliminate the taser, cops generally either tackle, or push the running subject around the shoulders to send them sprawling to the ground. In most cases, this results in road rash and a possible concussion either way.. In some cases no matter what the cop does to stop the fleeing subject, tragedy strikes and serious damage is caused. Which leads me to my final point.. If you don't want to take the risk of having brain damage from a freak accident, DON'T run from the cops...

Hope this helps you get your brain around it Tu 

I knew you would eventually jump in on this thread.

I appreciate your input, but I'm afraid that it does not.

We have a life sentence akin to the death penalty for fleeing for a misdemeanor.

These are the reasons that you can't shoot someone in the back.

So nope. Sorry. Still doesn't make it ok to me.

Of course I hate cops and make no bones about it.

As far as the dickwad said as far as not making it in the uniform... It doesn't take much to be a cop. A clean record with a passing psych eval and you can do it.

Real tough job to get right?

All those impossible perquisites. Hahaha!!

[bike nut]

Running away from a cop while in handcuffs, Just plain stupid....

"got the authority to kill a minority".....

Did not watch link, do not care.
Don't want to get tasered - don't get arrested or do illegal shit that gets you tasered.
Don't want to be treated like a criminal - stop breaking the law.
Don't want your kid to end up a veggie - raise them properly.

Ain't fuckin' rocket surgery gents!  

[Agnostic007]

I knew you would eventually jump in on this thread.

I appreciate your input, but I'm afraid that it does not.

We have a life sentence akin to the death penalty for fleeing for a misdemeanor.

These are the reasons that you can't shoot someone in the back.

So nope. Sorry. Still doesn't make it ok to me.

Of course I hate cops and make no bones about it.

As far as the dickwad said as far as not making it in the uniform... It doesn't take much to be a cop. A clean record with a passing psych eval and you can do it.

Real tough job to get right?

All those impossible perquisites. Hahaha!!

Always a pleasure to see ya Tu..

Once again, you speak without knowing what you are talking about...

10 to 1 you couldn't get hired on at any mid to large city department. No offense, but it's not for everyone.

You really can't seem to grasp the difference between using deadly force, knowing the likely outcome is death or serious bodily injury and deploying a less lethal option that against the odds, causes serious bodily injury.

Line out for me how you, at 267 lbs, would have caught her? Tackle? She could hit her head. Trip her? She could hit her head. Both are legal methods. Would you run past her, wait for her to run into your arms, then gently lower her to the ground? Perhaps shoot a net gun you fashioned at home for just these circumstances? Maybe just let her go, after all, she's not really a "criminal"... 

[viking1]

Don't run.

Booom, end of thread.

[bigmc]

lol you retards always do this in these threads


justifying excessive use of force


"she had it coming"

"her own fault"


etcetera


would you use the same logic on a normal person using excessive force?


police officers are supposed to be held accountable to a higher degree, not get a free pass to taze old ladies

i am speaking from experience

you are speaking from your moms basement

end of argument