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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #200 on: February 21, 2012, 07:06:16 AM »
A new study suggesting Tasers pose little risk to those receiving the shocks has sparked further debate over their safety.

The research, which was presented at the American College of Emergency Physicians' Research forum in Seattle, arrives amid a number of high-profile reports of police incidents involving Tasers in recent weeks.

Lead study investigator Dr. William Bozeman, an emergency medicine specialist at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, N.C., emphasizes that, when used in appropriate situations, Tasers are much better than alternative means.

"This is the first real-world application study regarding the injury incurred by these weapons, because previous studies have encompassed either human volunteers or animals," he says.

In his research of 597 past situations in which Tasers were used by police officers, Bozeman found that serious injuries were rare, occurring only 0.3 percent of the time.

Bozeman adds that he was anticipating a higher level of injury -- injuries that might require hospital admission or incur long-term disability.

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As of Nov. 4, Taser International cited 206 studies on electronic control devices, commonly known as Tasers. Most are favorable to the company. Taser devices have been used on more than 1.3 million people, according to company estimates. And while Amnesty International counts more than 340 deaths since 2001 in North America following police use of Tasers, that amounts to less than 0.03 percent of all Taser exposures

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #201 on: February 21, 2012, 07:08:11 AM »
Please. Don't stretch the facts.

How much electricity is in a taser?

How much electricity can cause death?

Here's a hint. Tasers have caused death.



Here's a hint... handguns have causes FAR more deaths to the point it isn't remotely comparible.. Aspirin has caused death but I won't compare it to Heroin

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« Reply #202 on: February 21, 2012, 07:08:49 AM »
I didn't say the percentage was high. But they can and have caused death.

While you may say that the percentage is "low" I would ask you what an acceptable number of deaths by taser is.

1000?  5000?

I think the number should be zero.

You will disagree I assume.

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« Reply #203 on: February 21, 2012, 07:13:11 AM »
I didn't say the percentage was high. But they can and have caused death.

While you may say that the percentage is "low" I would ask you what an acceptable number of deaths by taser is.

1000?  5000?

I think the number should be zero.

You will disagree I assume.

then your argument means crap. Water can cause death. Cars can cause death. I suppose you think we should stop drinking water and driving cars?

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« Reply #204 on: February 21, 2012, 07:14:19 AM »
I didn't say the percentage was high. But they can and have caused death.

While you may say that the percentage is "low" I would ask you what an acceptable number of deaths by taser is.

1000?  5000?

I think the number should be zero.

You will disagree I assume.

Many of the deaths attributed to the Taser are inconclusive to boot. People who had just swallowed a bag of crack rocks and fight the police, get tasered and eventually die in custody. Likely not the taser but it gets counted.

And please don't forget you compared the Taser to a handgun. Now you are back peddling

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« Reply #205 on: February 21, 2012, 07:16:22 AM »
Many of the deaths attributed to the Taser are inconclusive to boot. People who had just swallowed a bag of crack rocks and fight the police, get tasered and eventually die in custody. Likely not the taser but it gets counted.

And please don't forget you compared the Taser to a handgun. Now you are back peddling

I compare a Taser in relation to it being a weapon of last resort. Not in the mortality percentage.

So no. There's no back peddling.

Is it or is not your jurisdictions policy that a taser is an alternative weapon to using your gun and is a weapon of last resort?


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« Reply #206 on: February 21, 2012, 07:17:58 AM »
then your argument means crap. Water can cause death. Cars can cause death. I suppose you think we should stop drinking water and driving cars?

No. I believe that free people should be able to choose what they do with their own lives.

I don't think that girl chose to get tased.

What a stupid comparison.

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« Reply #207 on: February 21, 2012, 07:30:57 AM »
No. I believe that free people should be able to choose what they do with their own lives.

I don't think that girl chose to get tased.

What a stupid comparison.

First of all, she is a 20 year old woman - not a girl. She is an adult who fled after two hit-and-run accidents and after being caught by the trooper. Clearly she understood what she did was wrong and she knew the consequences of her actions otherwise she wouldn't have fled the law. A kid does not know better.

Also, that woman gave up any say in the matter when she attempted to run from the station. You simply do not run from police b/c bad stuff might happen. It's not a game to them. The trooper's choices were to tackle her to the ground on asphalt or tase her. He chose to tase her b/c he decided that was the safest option. He did not have the privilege of hindsight when it happened.

Moreover, your comment about my "stupid comparison" highlights the idiocy of your argument. If your argument is that any number of death, whether it be 1 or 1 million, is unacceptable, then you must live in a fantasy world b/c everything carries a risk of death no matter how small

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« Reply #208 on: February 21, 2012, 07:37:38 AM »
No. I believe that free people should be able to choose what they do with their own lives.

I don't think that girl chose to get tased.

What a stupid comparison.

So it is your position that people fleeing the police should have the opportunity while running to negotiate which tool the officer uses to catch them? Do you even read your posts once in a while?

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« Reply #209 on: February 21, 2012, 07:40:10 AM »
I compare a Taser in relation to it being a weapon of last resort. Not in the mortality percentage.

So no. There's no back peddling.

Is it or is not your jurisdictions policy that a taser is an alternative weapon to using your gun and is a weapon of last resort?



The Taser is considered less lethal. It is considered similar to pepper spray, empty hand techniques and falls below the use of the baton or nightstick. No where near the use of a hand gun and is considered one of serveral tools the officer has to contol a subject

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #210 on: February 21, 2012, 07:40:53 AM »
First of all, she is a 20 year old woman - not a girl. She is an adult who fled after two hit-and-run accidents and after being caught by the trooper. Clearly she understood what she did was wrong and she knew the consequences of her actions otherwise she wouldn't have fled the law. A kid does not know better.

Also, that woman gave up any say in the matter when she attempted to run from the station. You simply do not run from police b/c bad stuff might happen. It's not a game to them. The trooper's choices were to tackle her to the ground on asphalt or tase her. He chose to tase her b/c he decided that was the safest option. He did not have the privilege of hindsight when it happened.

Moreover, your comment about my "stupid comparison" highlights the idiocy of your argument. If your argument is that any number of death, whether it be 1 or 1 million, is unacceptable, then you must live in a fantasy world b/c everything carries a risk of death no matter how small

It's stupid because if I choose a risk it's my choice.

Cops choose how to apprehend suspects. Period.

They make the choice. If you don't see the difference between me choosing and someone else choosing for me you are simply an idiot.

Again. This girl. 20 is a fucking girl. This GIRL made some bad choices. No doubt. But in now way did she deserve to get tased and end up brain dead.

Especially because some fat ass was so out of shape he couldn't catch her teeny tiny little ass.

Keep covering for your boy though. If you keep killing people one day there wont be anyone to pay your salary and you can get a real job.

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« Reply #211 on: February 21, 2012, 07:42:56 AM »
It's stupid because if I choose a risk it's my choice.

Cops choose how to apprehend suspects. Period.

They make the choice. If you don't see the difference between me choosing and someone else choosing for me you are simply an idiot.

Again. This girl. 20 is a fucking girl. This GIRL made some bad choices. No doubt. But in now way did she deserve to get tased and end up brain dead.

Especially because some fat ass was so out of shape he couldn't catch her teeny tiny little ass.

Keep covering for your boy though. If you keep killing people one day there wont be anyone to pay your salary and you can get a real job.

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You have the "blue line" confused with people trying to talk some common sense to you..

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« Reply #212 on: February 21, 2012, 07:45:54 AM »
You have the "blue line" confused with people trying to talk some common sense to you..

Sure thing dude.

Why do you bother anyway? You know I won't change my mind on the subject so why don't you just skip it anyway?

I love railing against the establishment which you are a part of.

I can't stand you fascists.

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« Reply #213 on: February 21, 2012, 07:55:04 AM »
It's stupid because if I choose a risk it's my choice.

Cops choose how to apprehend suspects. Period.

They make the choice. If you don't see the difference between me choosing and someone else choosing for me you are simply an idiot.

the woman chose the risk of getting tasered when she tried to run from the law ;)

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Again. This girl. 20 is a fucking girl. This GIRL made some bad choices. No doubt. But in now way did she deserve to get tased and end up brain dead.

nobody is arguing she "deserved" to end up brain dead. Only someone with a poor argument would make such a pathetic strawman attempt

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Especially because some fat ass was so out of shape he couldn't catch her teeny tiny little ass.

lol, did you even read the article or watch the video? The woman had less than 100 feet to run into traffic and had a head-start on the trooper. I don't know if you ever played sports but 100 feet is not that far. It only takes a few seconds to run. To put it into perspective, sprinters run the 100 meter race (300 feet) in 10 seconds. The issue isn't about the trooper being overweight but how he was going to catch her in the safest way. His only options were to tackle her on asphalt, tase her, or let her escape

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« Reply #214 on: February 21, 2012, 07:59:48 AM »
the woman chose the risk of getting tasered when she tried to run from the law ;)

nobody is arguing she "deserved" to end up brain dead. Only someone with a poor argument would make such a pathetic strawman attempt

lol, did you even read the article or watch the video? The woman had less than 100 feet to run into traffic and had a head-start on the trooper. I don't know if you ever played sports but 100 feet is not that far. It only takes a few seconds to run. To put it into perspective, sprinters run the 100 meter race (300 feet) in 10 seconds. The issue isn't about the trooper being overweight but how he was going to catch her in the safest way. His only options were to tackle her on asphalt, tase her, or let her escape


This is why you are full of shit. She couldn't move fast and he was a fat ass.

Anyone in shape would have even able to catch her and seriously even doubt a "tackle" on her ass would have been required.

Whatever you think dude.

I don't really give a shit. You Gestapo goons dont phase me. No need to defend yourself to me. I think you guys suck and have never made any apologies for it.

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« Reply #215 on: February 21, 2012, 08:33:44 AM »

This is why you are full of shit. She couldn't move fast and he was a fat ass.

Anyone in shape would have even able to catch her and seriously even doubt a "tackle" on her ass would have been required.

Whatever you think dude.

I don't really give a shit. You Gestapo goons dont phase me. No need to defend yourself to me. I think you guys suck and have never made any apologies for it.

You  Sir are just an out and out moron. You get your ass handed to you in an argument and you start with the "you guys suck and never make apologies for it" crap . You're lack of real world experience is evident in your positions.. YOU can't admit when you are wrong, so what's the difference?

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #216 on: February 21, 2012, 08:43:32 AM »
can someone taze tu holmes and get it over with

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« Reply #217 on: February 21, 2012, 09:28:44 AM »
You  Sir are just an out and out moron. You get your ass handed to you in an argument and you start with the "you guys suck and never make apologies for it" crap . You're lack of real world experience is evident in your positions.. YOU can't admit when you are wrong, so what's the difference?

You are ridiculous.

You can not show me where I'm wrong here.

This is a straight opinion... You guys have yours and I have mine.

I don't have to make any apologies because I'm not running around tasing people you nimrod.

I carry a gun and I have never had to use it against another person. If I DO have to use it one day, then I can guarantee it won't just be some off the cuff use.

To me, a taser is the same thing.

The issue here is more about how willy nilly cops use their equipment against their constituents.

But you guys can keep on doing what you do.

Oh, and swede! Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

I've been tased, peppered, the lot of it... Go fuck yourself.

I wonder how many cops have been tased... There was a time when you used to sit around and pepper spray each other to see how you guys could handle... Ever done that with a taser?


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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #218 on: February 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM »
tu holmes would shit his pants if a cop ordered him to do something

that is why he is railing against them on here

its the hopeless frustration of having no authority or control
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« Reply #219 on: February 21, 2012, 09:33:47 AM »
tu holmes would shit his pants if a cop ordered him to do something

that is why he is railing against them on here

its the hopeless frustration of having no authority or control

Haha... right... I'm shitting right now.

I rail against them because they are worthless and don't provide anything back, but take a lot of money from the community.

All cops do is report on crime... Whoop dee doo.

I have a ton of people who I have in the past associated with who are cops... I tell them the same shit.

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« Reply #220 on: February 21, 2012, 09:35:06 AM »
Haha... right... I'm shitting right now.

I rail against them because they are worthless and don't provide anything back, but take a lot of money from the community.

All cops do is report on crime... Whoop dee doo.

I have a ton of people who I have in the past associated with who are cops... I tell them the same shit.

sure you do champ

you would be the first person ringing them if you were in the shit

try and focus your energy on something more positive

anger is an anchor that weighs a man
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« Reply #221 on: February 21, 2012, 09:39:48 AM »
The girl was lean, the pig was fat. . . the girl wins. Sure she's brain dead, but she still looks better than the bloated pig.


tu holmes; let it go man. Once people are indoctrinated they're lost. Nothing, absolutely nothing will ever convince any successfully brainwashed person that anything the pigs do is wrong.
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« Reply #222 on: February 21, 2012, 09:47:31 AM »
sure you do champ

you would be the first person ringing them if you were in the shit

try and focus your energy on something more positive

anger is an anchor that weighs a man
This isn't anger... This is just reality.

Everyone talks great about the cops right until they realize that they are the ones being fucked over by them.

I can't stand them taking my tax dollar and sitting around doing nothing. Like most do.

Are some decent... sure... But I find that number to be highly overblown.

Most just like finding a way to use their power to fuck over people who are not in the system.

I have a cop friend (He was also a marine mind you) who has point blank told me that if he knew at a younger age what he knows now in his older age, he would have never become a cop because cops are just an arm of the government trying to keep dissidents in check.

I'll believe him over all of you anonymous fuckers online.

Remember... I'm the one who uses his real name and doesn't hide behind some screen.

I'm not the scared one here.

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #223 on: February 21, 2012, 09:47:45 AM »
Is there a danger of someone running on foot from the police?

Do you feel that this woman's life deserved to be destroyed because she "ran"?

Seriously? The woman is BRAINDEAD.

She is a VEGETABLE.

You feel she deserved what she got?

Really?

>implying she wasnt a brain dead drug abusing vegie already

and nothing of value was lost. move along folks, just darwinism at work.
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« Reply #224 on: February 21, 2012, 10:06:40 AM »


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