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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #225 on: February 21, 2012, 10:36:32 AM »
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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #226 on: February 21, 2012, 11:06:33 AM »
Sexy little delinquent bitch. I bet the male nurses are drawing straws to get the graveyard shift...
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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #227 on: February 21, 2012, 11:18:03 AM »
You are ridiculous.

You can not show me where I'm wrong here.

This is a straight opinion... You guys have yours and I have mine.

I don't have to make any apologies because I'm not running around tasing people you nimrod.

I carry a gun and I have never had to use it against another person. If I DO have to use it one day, then I can guarantee it won't just be some off the cuff use.

To me, a taser is the same thing.

The issue here is more about how willy nilly cops use their equipment against their constituents.

But you guys can keep on doing what you do.

Oh, and swede! Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

I've been tased, peppered, the lot of it... Go fuck yourself.

I wonder how many cops have been tased... There was a time when you used to sit around and pepper spray each other to see how you guys could handle... Ever done that with a taser?



I posted study information. You posted your opinion...

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« Reply #228 on: February 21, 2012, 11:20:28 AM »
I posted study information. You posted your opinion...

I did not argue against your study... I stated that it certainly is safer than guns.

What I argue against is it's usage... I still state that it should be a weapon of last resort... You say otherwise.

That is an opinion.

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« Reply #229 on: February 21, 2012, 11:21:22 AM »
"I wonder how many cops have been tased... There was a time when you used to sit around and pepper spray each other to see how you guys could handle... Ever done that with a taser?"

Happens all the time.. guess what. Right after it stops, you're fine. Not the same with a hand gun which you compare to a Taser. Damn dude, admit you haven't a clue about what you are talking about... it is getting embarrassing  


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« Reply #230 on: February 21, 2012, 11:22:32 AM »
Very confused as to how the use of force was justified in this one... Seems it would be akin to shooting a fleeing subject in the back.


You aren't very truthful... all I'm sayin'

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« Reply #231 on: February 21, 2012, 11:30:16 AM »
"I wonder how many cops have been tased... There was a time when you used to sit around and pepper spray each other to see how you guys could handle... Ever done that with a taser?"

Happens all the time.. guess what. Right after it stops, you're fine. Not the same with a hand gun which you compare to a Taser. Damn dude, admit you haven't a clue about what you are talking about... it is getting embarrassing 



What are you talking about?

I never said a taser was the same... I said "akin" as in "having a similar quality or character"

It is AKIN to shooting someone in the back... It is supposed to be a weapon of last resort.

I have asked you what your own departments policy is on tasers and you have not responded once.

What's embarrassing is how you continue to defend fascist actions and simply skim over the shit and go to the stuff you think is ok.

Shouldn't you be out protecting and serving the shit out of us common folk?


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« Reply #232 on: February 21, 2012, 11:33:58 AM »
In the end , the taser didn't hurt this girl. it was the fall.  He could have easily tripped her as she was running away and the same result of her falling and hitting her head would have happened.  

the fact is she shouldn't have ran away once cuffed.  Nothing good was going to happen after that moment.

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« Reply #233 on: February 21, 2012, 11:35:14 AM »
Aren't you a cop in Houston?

You guys have gotten some heat over their use it seems.

Questions grow over HPD's use of Taser guns
HOUSTON CHRONICLE SPECIAL REPORT
The Taser Effect

ROMA KHANNA, Houston Chronicle Copyright 2012 Houston Chronicle. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast,


Since the Houston Police Department armed itself with Tasers, touted as a way to reduce deadly police shootings, officers have shot, wounded and killed as many people as before the widespread use of the stun guns, a Houston Chronicle analysis shows.

Officers have used their Tasers more than 1,000 times in the past two years, but in 95 percent of those cases they were not used to defuse situations in which suspects wielded weapons and deadly force clearly would have been justified.

Instead, more than half of the Taser incidents escalated from relatively common police calls, such as traffic stops, disturbance and nuisance complaints, and reports of suspicious people.

In more than 350 cases, no crime was committed. No person was charged or the case was dropped by prosecutors or dismissed by judges and juries, according to the Houston Chronicle's analysis of the first 900 police Taser incidents, which occurred between December 2004 and August 2006.

Of those people who were charged with crimes, most were accused of misdemeanors or nonviolent felonies.

In an interview with the Chronicle, Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt adamantly defended the department's use of Tasers, saying the type of crime committed, or whether charges were filed, have little bearing on whether Taser use is justified.

"When people are charged with minor crimes or nonviolent crimes, maybe the reason is because they were stopped before they committed a much more serious offense," Hurtt said.

Though Tasers have become a flash point for conflict across the country, it was an incident involving Houston Texans football player Fred Weary that threw the city into the national spotlight. Weary, an offensive lineman, was shocked with a Taser during a traffic stop in November, arrested and charged with resisting arrest. A judge later dismissed the charge.

The Weary incident followed an October confrontation in which an officer, called to quiet a noisy music club, shocked musicians and concert-goers. The incident was videotaped by club patrons and then broadcast on the popular YouTube Web site.

Those instances, coupled with HPD's admission that the majority of people who officers have shocked are black, have roiled community controversy — particularly since Tasers were introduced at a time of high tension over questionable police shootings.
Calls for reconsideration
Elected officials, activists and some in the community have called for tighter restrictions on officers' use of Tasers, if not a moratorium.

"If they are still shooting the same number of people and the same number of people who are unarmed, you have to ask, 'What are they using the Tasers for?' " asked Sylvia Gonzalez, a former law enforcement officer who now helps lead the local chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

Mayor Bill White and Hurtt, meanwhile, steadfastly support the weapon and note that none of the people who were shocked has died. But, in the face of public criticism, they have agreed to allow independent groups to study Houston's use of Tasers and the weapon's medical effects.

They maintain that Tasers have saved lives — including those of the 40 armed people whom officers chose to shock, not shoot.

"We don't know what could have happened in those situations in the past, before Tasers," White said. "The Tasers are a useful tool because the police need an alternative to using a baton or shooting someone."

In fact, Hurtt counts Weary among those whom officers may have spared from a more dire outcome.

"At one point, based upon some of the actions that took place, that could probably have been a much deadlier encounter," Hurtt said, declining to elaborate because of the possibility of refiling charges against Weary or a civil lawsuit from the football player.

Such explanations ring hollow for 24-year-old Wilbert Allen Foxx, whom officers shocked three times during a February 2005 traffic stop in which they claim he tried to grab an officer's gun. Foxx, a student at Morehouse College in Atlanta who was in Houston to help with a family matter, was charged with trying to disarm an officer. But jurors quickly acquitted him after hearing his account of the confrontation and an audiotape of the encounter.

"People may think a Taser is harmless — that it's five seconds and then it's over — but I can tell you that this incident has changed my whole life," said Foxx, who stayed in Houston to fight the charges against him, forfeiting scholarships and delaying his graduation from college.

"So many incidents seem to involve people like me, people stopped in their cars or at the wrong place who don't deserve this type of treatment."
Forces behind the device
The Houston City Council approved a $4.7 million contract to purchase Tasers in November 2004, one year after the controversial shootings of two unarmed teens that led to attempts to terminate one officer and the indictment on a murder charge of another. The fallout from those shootings churned as White ran his first campaign for mayor.

Two months after he was inaugurated, White named Hurtt, then chief of the Phoenix Police Department, to lead HPD. His appointment came with a mandate to reduce the number of controversial police shootings.

Hurtt, the first major-city police chief to arm all of his officers with Tasers, had noted success with the devices in Phoenix. In 2003, the first year the Phoenix force was fully equipped, shootings were cut in half. Similar results have not been achieved in Houston.

Houston officers killed or wounded 46 people in 2005 and 2006, among them a 16-year-old girl threatening suicide who officers said brandished a knife. One of every four shootings — or 11 times — in the past two years was of an unarmed person, according to police and news media reports.

Two shootings of two men this month, in which officers said they were threatened and witnesses disputed officers' accounts, have prompted public outrage.

Hurtt attributes the steady number of shootings to a variety of variables that affect the landscape of crime in the city, including population growth, increased arrests, drug activity and an increase in crime among juveniles.

"We are only one part of the equation," he said. "There are individuals out there who make decisions where officers do not have the opportunity to use Tasers — they have to use deadly force."

But others, who saw Tasers as a tool for reducing deadly shootings, are disappointed.

"We feel misled," said Gonzalez, of LULAC.

City Councilwoman Ada Edwards repeatedly has called for a review on police Taser policy and an independent medical study of the effects of the stun guns.

"When people have the kind of authority we give our police officers with guns and Tasers, then they need to have the accountability that goes with that authority," Edwards said.
Starting off as routine
In Houston, according to the Chronicle analysis, officers turn to Tasers most often when conflicts arise during routine encounters. Interactions such as a complaint about fireworks, a person littering and another riding a bicycle with no light at night gave way to conflicts that resulted in officers shocking people. One common circumstance that preceded an officer using a Taser was the traffic stop.

Donald Touchet was driving home from dinner with his girlfriend Jan. 26, 2005, when an officer tried to pull him over for ignoring a stop sign 1,056 feet from his driveway. Touchet said he did not immediately notice the lights and then could not find a spot to stop because a number of cars were parked on the street. He proceeded to his girlfriend's driveway, where she watched as the officer ordered him out of the car.

The officer told Touchet to place his hands on the patrol car, which he did. Touchet turned to speak to the officer, and the officer shocked him. The officer said Touchet elbowed, but Touchet and his girlfriend maintain that he did not.

"The officer asked Donald something," Julie Mitchell said in a statement for the grand jury that reviewed Touchet's case. "When he turned around, the officer Tasered him. I was so scared. I screamed into the phone that Donald had been shot."

Prosecutors charged Touchet with evading arrest with a motor vehicle and driving while intoxicated, but the grand jury that reviewed the case declined to indict Touchet, and prosecutors dropped the DWI charge.

"This so-called chase lasted all of one minute and went on for less than half a mile," said Robert Pelton, the lawyer that represented Touchet. "I am not one to say that officers should not use Tasers. They're a good tool. But the department needs to have clear rules about what is justified and what clearly is not."

HPD officials maintain that Taser use is scrutinized more carefully than any weapon except guns. An assistant police chief who reports directly to Hurtt reads every report of Taser use and requires a supervisor to go to the scene each time a stun gun is deployed.
Taser-use guidelines
HPD considers the Taser an intermediate weapon that officers can use any time they otherwise would use batons or physically confront people. Officers go through a four-hour course before they are issued Tasers and must pass requalification tests on the weapon annually. Policy and training dictate that officers should use the minimal force necessary to eliminate a threat to officers or others. They also outline instances in which Tasers should not be used, including occasions in which someone is "verbally aggressive" but does nothing else.

The last limitation was clarified after police officials found that a number of officers used Tasers on people who had been verbally aggressive. On March 30, Hurtt distributed to officers a video on which he explained that Tasers should be used against people who are verbally aggressive only if their comments are accompanied by aggressive gestures or the officers think assault is imminent.

"We wanted to make sure we all are on the same page," Executive Assistant Police Chief Charles McClelland said. "But officers do not have to wait to be assaulted prior to using a Taser."

The department does not track how often charges are accepted against people whom officers have shocked, nor does it monitor whether cases are successful, McClelland said. The outcome of criminal cases has no effect on whether an officer's use of a Taser is ruled justified.

Hurtt said many factors, not just an officer's actions, can affect the outcome of a criminal case. "The system is the system," Hurtt said, referring to decisions by prosecutors, judges and juries over which he has no control.
Trust, mistrust of system
Jerome Forney Jr. knows the system well. The 31-year-old served several stints in prison and jail for drug offenses, which is why he was surprised when a judge questioned an officer's judgment after Forney was shocked in the parking lot of an apartment complex Dec. 28, 2004.

Forney was leaning into a friend's car watching a portable DVD player when an officer, who suspected Forney was dealing drugs, approached him. A struggle ensued, and the officer shocked Forney, yelling for him to spit non-existent drugs out of his mouth. No drugs were found, but Forney was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and search. That day, at a probable-cause hearing, a judge took issue with the officer's claims.

"He asked for the details to be read twice," Forney said, "and then said, 'Uh-uh, he wasn't resisting arrest.'

I was shocked. I knew I had done nothing wrong, but I didn't think anyone would question the officer, especially with my experience in the system."

Many of the people whom officers encountered and shocked with Tasers had criminal histories. But in 317 of the 892 cases that the Chronicle examined, no charges were filed in state or county courts stemming from the incidents when they were shocked. Among the cases that were filed, half were misdemeanors, and most of the felony charges were nonviolent, such as possession of a controlled substance or evading arrest with a motor vehicle.

Cases against about 50 of the people charged fell apart.
Managing the mentally ill

Several of those cases faltered because the people whom officers shocked were mentally ill. Six whom officers shocked were declared incompetent to stand trial, and the cases against them were dismissed. Others with mental illness faced no charges.

Kenneth Izzat, who has bipolar disorder, was standing in the street shouting profanities June 25 when an officer approached him. Izzat, 30, kicked the officer's car and ignored orders to stop his aggressive behavior before the officer shocked him.

Prosecutors would not accept charges.

Izzat, now on medication, thinks officers could have used a different tack to calm him.

"One minute he was ordering me around and then next I was being shocked," he said. "It seems some other steps could have been taken first. I think that's all people are looking for. That officers take some time and use their options before they start tasing people."

Chronicle reporters Steve McVicker and Noel Smith contributed to this report.

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #234 on: February 21, 2012, 11:37:17 AM »
In the end , the taser didn't hurt this girl. it as the fall.  He could have easily tripped her as she was running away and the same result of her falling and hitting her head would have happened. 

the fact is she shouldn't have ran away once cuffed.  Nothing good was going to happen after that moment.

I agree, but there's bad and braindead you know.

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« Reply #235 on: February 21, 2012, 11:38:03 AM »
Summary: it was not necessary to taser the girl in that situation. period.

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« Reply #236 on: February 21, 2012, 11:38:47 AM »
Summary: it was not necessary to taser the girl in that situation. period.

Thank you.

Only cops and cop groupies think it was necessary.

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« Reply #237 on: February 21, 2012, 11:40:56 AM »
I agree, but there's bad and braindead you know.

Fact is she was cuffed from behind and fell face forward onto the concrete.  The same result would have happened if she tripped on a curb or if he hit her with his club, or pushed her forward trying to stop her.  Think about it. Say he reached out to grab her to stop her and his hand pushed her forward causing her momentum to make her fall down forward quickly.  No matter what with her hands behind her back she had no way of cushioning that fall. She was eating concrete no matter what.

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« Reply #238 on: February 21, 2012, 11:42:30 AM »
Fact is she was cuffed from behind and fell face forward onto the concrete.  The same result would have happened if she tripped on a curb or if he hit her with his club, or pushed her forward trying to stop her.  Think about it. Say he reached out to grab her to stop her and his hand pushed her forward causing her momentum to make her fall down forward quickly.  No matter what with her hands behind her back she had no way of cushioning that fall. She was eating concrete no matter what.

True, but there is physical difference in how you eat pavement if you have control of your nervous system and can brace for impact or turn your body.

When you have no control over your nervous system you are at the mercy of gravity completely... Which is not true in the other circumstances you mentioned.

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« Reply #239 on: February 21, 2012, 01:08:56 PM »
Heart disease is the number one killer in America today. Maybe using a taser on the American public should be considered a health risk :-\ Just saying.

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« Reply #240 on: February 21, 2012, 02:01:06 PM »
Aren't you a cop in Houston?

You guys have gotten some heat over their use it seems.

Questions grow over HPD's use of Taser guns
HOUSTON CHRONICLE SPECIAL REPORT
The Taser Effect

ROMA KHANNA, Houston Chronicle Copyright 2012 Houston Chronicle. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast,


Since the Houston Police Department armed itself with Tasers, touted as a way to reduce deadly police shootings, officers have shot, wounded and killed as many people as before the widespread use of the stun guns, a Houston Chronicle analysis shows.

Officers have used their Tasers more than 1,000 times in the past two years, but in 95 percent of those cases they were not used to defuse situations in which suspects wielded weapons and deadly force clearly would have been justified.

Instead, more than half of the Taser incidents escalated from relatively common police calls, such as traffic stops, disturbance and nuisance complaints, and reports of suspicious people.

In more than 350 cases, no crime was committed. No person was charged or the case was dropped by prosecutors or dismissed by judges and juries, according to the Houston Chronicle's analysis of the first 900 police Taser incidents, which occurred between December 2004 and August 2006.

Of those people who were charged with crimes, most were accused of misdemeanors or nonviolent felonies.

In an interview with the Chronicle, Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt adamantly defended the department's use of Tasers, saying the type of crime committed, or whether charges were filed, have little bearing on whether Taser use is justified.

"When people are charged with minor crimes or nonviolent crimes, maybe the reason is because they were stopped before they committed a much more serious offense," Hurtt said.

Though Tasers have become a flash point for conflict across the country, it was an incident involving Houston Texans football player Fred Weary that threw the city into the national spotlight. Weary, an offensive lineman, was shocked with a Taser during a traffic stop in November, arrested and charged with resisting arrest. A judge later dismissed the charge.

The Weary incident followed an October confrontation in which an officer, called to quiet a noisy music club, shocked musicians and concert-goers. The incident was videotaped by club patrons and then broadcast on the popular YouTube Web site.

Those instances, coupled with HPD's admission that the majority of people who officers have shocked are black, have roiled community controversy — particularly since Tasers were introduced at a time of high tension over questionable police shootings.
Calls for reconsideration
Elected officials, activists and some in the community have called for tighter restrictions on officers' use of Tasers, if not a moratorium.

"If they are still shooting the same number of people and the same number of people who are unarmed, you have to ask, 'What are they using the Tasers for?' " asked Sylvia Gonzalez, a former law enforcement officer who now helps lead the local chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

Mayor Bill White and Hurtt, meanwhile, steadfastly support the weapon and note that none of the people who were shocked has died. But, in the face of public criticism, they have agreed to allow independent groups to study Houston's use of Tasers and the weapon's medical effects.

They maintain that Tasers have saved lives — including those of the 40 armed people whom officers chose to shock, not shoot.

"We don't know what could have happened in those situations in the past, before Tasers," White said. "The Tasers are a useful tool because the police need an alternative to using a baton or shooting someone."

In fact, Hurtt counts Weary among those whom officers may have spared from a more dire outcome.

"At one point, based upon some of the actions that took place, that could probably have been a much deadlier encounter," Hurtt said, declining to elaborate because of the possibility of refiling charges against Weary or a civil lawsuit from the football player.

Such explanations ring hollow for 24-year-old Wilbert Allen Foxx, whom officers shocked three times during a February 2005 traffic stop in which they claim he tried to grab an officer's gun. Foxx, a student at Morehouse College in Atlanta who was in Houston to help with a family matter, was charged with trying to disarm an officer. But jurors quickly acquitted him after hearing his account of the confrontation and an audiotape of the encounter.

"People may think a Taser is harmless — that it's five seconds and then it's over — but I can tell you that this incident has changed my whole life," said Foxx, who stayed in Houston to fight the charges against him, forfeiting scholarships and delaying his graduation from college.

"So many incidents seem to involve people like me, people stopped in their cars or at the wrong place who don't deserve this type of treatment."
Forces behind the device
The Houston City Council approved a $4.7 million contract to purchase Tasers in November 2004, one year after the controversial shootings of two unarmed teens that led to attempts to terminate one officer and the indictment on a murder charge of another. The fallout from those shootings churned as White ran his first campaign for mayor.

Two months after he was inaugurated, White named Hurtt, then chief of the Phoenix Police Department, to lead HPD. His appointment came with a mandate to reduce the number of controversial police shootings.

Hurtt, the first major-city police chief to arm all of his officers with Tasers, had noted success with the devices in Phoenix. In 2003, the first year the Phoenix force was fully equipped, shootings were cut in half. Similar results have not been achieved in Houston.

Houston officers killed or wounded 46 people in 2005 and 2006, among them a 16-year-old girl threatening suicide who officers said brandished a knife. One of every four shootings — or 11 times — in the past two years was of an unarmed person, according to police and news media reports.

Two shootings of two men this month, in which officers said they were threatened and witnesses disputed officers' accounts, have prompted public outrage.

Hurtt attributes the steady number of shootings to a variety of variables that affect the landscape of crime in the city, including population growth, increased arrests, drug activity and an increase in crime among juveniles.

"We are only one part of the equation," he said. "There are individuals out there who make decisions where officers do not have the opportunity to use Tasers — they have to use deadly force."

But others, who saw Tasers as a tool for reducing deadly shootings, are disappointed.

"We feel misled," said Gonzalez, of LULAC.

City Councilwoman Ada Edwards repeatedly has called for a review on police Taser policy and an independent medical study of the effects of the stun guns.

"When people have the kind of authority we give our police officers with guns and Tasers, then they need to have the accountability that goes with that authority," Edwards said.
Starting off as routine
In Houston, according to the Chronicle analysis, officers turn to Tasers most often when conflicts arise during routine encounters. Interactions such as a complaint about fireworks, a person littering and another riding a bicycle with no light at night gave way to conflicts that resulted in officers shocking people. One common circumstance that preceded an officer using a Taser was the traffic stop.

Donald Touchet was driving home from dinner with his girlfriend Jan. 26, 2005, when an officer tried to pull him over for ignoring a stop sign 1,056 feet from his driveway. Touchet said he did not immediately notice the lights and then could not find a spot to stop because a number of cars were parked on the street. He proceeded to his girlfriend's driveway, where she watched as the officer ordered him out of the car.

The officer told Touchet to place his hands on the patrol car, which he did. Touchet turned to speak to the officer, and the officer shocked him. The officer said Touchet elbowed, but Touchet and his girlfriend maintain that he did not.

"The officer asked Donald something," Julie Mitchell said in a statement for the grand jury that reviewed Touchet's case. "When he turned around, the officer Tasered him. I was so scared. I screamed into the phone that Donald had been shot."

Prosecutors charged Touchet with evading arrest with a motor vehicle and driving while intoxicated, but the grand jury that reviewed the case declined to indict Touchet, and prosecutors dropped the DWI charge.

"This so-called chase lasted all of one minute and went on for less than half a mile," said Robert Pelton, the lawyer that represented Touchet. "I am not one to say that officers should not use Tasers. They're a good tool. But the department needs to have clear rules about what is justified and what clearly is not."

HPD officials maintain that Taser use is scrutinized more carefully than any weapon except guns. An assistant police chief who reports directly to Hurtt reads every report of Taser use and requires a supervisor to go to the scene each time a stun gun is deployed.
Taser-use guidelines
HPD considers the Taser an intermediate weapon that officers can use any time they otherwise would use batons or physically confront people. Officers go through a four-hour course before they are issued Tasers and must pass requalification tests on the weapon annually. Policy and training dictate that officers should use the minimal force necessary to eliminate a threat to officers or others. They also outline instances in which Tasers should not be used, including occasions in which someone is "verbally aggressive" but does nothing else.

The last limitation was clarified after police officials found that a number of officers used Tasers on people who had been verbally aggressive. On March 30, Hurtt distributed to officers a video on which he explained that Tasers should be used against people who are verbally aggressive only if their comments are accompanied by aggressive gestures or the officers think assault is imminent.

"We wanted to make sure we all are on the same page," Executive Assistant Police Chief Charles McClelland said. "But officers do not have to wait to be assaulted prior to using a Taser."

The department does not track how often charges are accepted against people whom officers have shocked, nor does it monitor whether cases are successful, McClelland said. The outcome of criminal cases has no effect on whether an officer's use of a Taser is ruled justified.

Hurtt said many factors, not just an officer's actions, can affect the outcome of a criminal case. "The system is the system," Hurtt said, referring to decisions by prosecutors, judges and juries over which he has no control.
Trust, mistrust of system
Jerome Forney Jr. knows the system well. The 31-year-old served several stints in prison and jail for drug offenses, which is why he was surprised when a judge questioned an officer's judgment after Forney was shocked in the parking lot of an apartment complex Dec. 28, 2004.

Forney was leaning into a friend's car watching a portable DVD player when an officer, who suspected Forney was dealing drugs, approached him. A struggle ensued, and the officer shocked Forney, yelling for him to spit non-existent drugs out of his mouth. No drugs were found, but Forney was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and search. That day, at a probable-cause hearing, a judge took issue with the officer's claims.

"He asked for the details to be read twice," Forney said, "and then said, 'Uh-uh, he wasn't resisting arrest.'

I was shocked. I knew I had done nothing wrong, but I didn't think anyone would question the officer, especially with my experience in the system."

Many of the people whom officers encountered and shocked with Tasers had criminal histories. But in 317 of the 892 cases that the Chronicle examined, no charges were filed in state or county courts stemming from the incidents when they were shocked. Among the cases that were filed, half were misdemeanors, and most of the felony charges were nonviolent, such as possession of a controlled substance or evading arrest with a motor vehicle.

Cases against about 50 of the people charged fell apart.
Managing the mentally ill

Several of those cases faltered because the people whom officers shocked were mentally ill. Six whom officers shocked were declared incompetent to stand trial, and the cases against them were dismissed. Others with mental illness faced no charges.

Kenneth Izzat, who has bipolar disorder, was standing in the street shouting profanities June 25 when an officer approached him. Izzat, 30, kicked the officer's car and ignored orders to stop his aggressive behavior before the officer shocked him.

Prosecutors would not accept charges.

Izzat, now on medication, thinks officers could have used a different tack to calm him.

"One minute he was ordering me around and then next I was being shocked," he said. "It seems some other steps could have been taken first. I think that's all people are looking for. That officers take some time and use their options before they start tasing people."

Chronicle reporters Steve McVicker and Noel Smith contributed to this report.

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #241 on: February 21, 2012, 02:03:15 PM »
No, I'm not in Houston

Maybe you said Austin then...

Hmm... Could have sworn at one time you said Houston.

Not that it matters. This is but one craptastic article... There are many.

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #242 on: February 21, 2012, 02:05:35 PM »
Maybe you said Austin then...

Hmm... Could have sworn at one time you said Houston.

Not that it matters. This is but one craptastic article... There are many.

Houston Chronicle is probably similar to the Austin Chronicle. Not very close to "news" and as biased as FOX and CNN

But... even taking the article as written, it's a far cry from "heat"

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #243 on: February 21, 2012, 02:07:51 PM »
Houston Chronicle is probably similar to the Austin Chronicle. Not very close to "news" and as biased as FOX and CNN

But... even taking the article as written, it's a far cry from "heat"

Heh... ok. If'n you say so.

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #244 on: February 21, 2012, 05:03:22 PM »
Just think: this whole thread would've never existed if she stayed seated in the station, following the rules, and not running.









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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #245 on: February 21, 2012, 05:29:28 PM »
Just think: this whole thread would've never existed if she stayed seated in the station, following the rules, and not running.


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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #246 on: February 23, 2012, 01:49:12 PM »
In the end , the taser didn't hurt this girl. it was the fall.  He could have easily tripped her as she was running away and the same result of her falling and hitting her head would have happened.  

the fact is she shouldn't have ran away once cuffed.  Nothing good was going to happen after that moment.

yes throw probability out the window, that makes sense. Lets think of all the possibilities and consider them equal to justify a clearly immoral decision. She could of gotten hit by a low flying plane also, it would of knocked her over so its fine. Shit a bullet in the back wouldnt have killed her perhaps the fall so with all things being equal (of course they are) the end result of shooting versus tripping is the same, she will fall down, thus its ok to shoot her.

Seriously this is the logic your implementing here.

The second sentence is stupid, good to whom? to her alot of good could of happened? why are you making silly statements.

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #247 on: February 23, 2012, 09:34:33 PM »
yes throw probability out the window, that makes sense. Lets think of all the possibilities and consider them equal to justify a clearly immoral decision. She could of gotten hit by a low flying plane also, it would of knocked her over so its fine. Shit a bullet in the back wouldnt have killed her perhaps the fall so with all things being equal (of course they are) the end result of shooting versus tripping is the same, she will fall down, thus its ok to shoot her.

Seriously this is the logic your implementing here.

The second sentence is stupid, good to whom? to her alot of good could of happened? why are you making silly statements.

Not as stupid as you are making it sound... low flying planes hitting people running aren't nearly as common as people getting tased. The difference is that in all but .03% of the people tased, they are fine afterwards... not so with an aircraft I would imagine. Again, the statement was basically that the sudden stopping of her skull on the pavement caused the damage, not any electrical shock. The same result could have just as likely occurred with tripping seeing how based on the totality of the circumstances, this was a freak accidental serious injury and not the norm.     

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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #248 on: February 23, 2012, 11:19:37 PM »
why did she run again ???
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Re: Cop Tases handcuffed girl in back, now braindead!
« Reply #249 on: February 23, 2012, 11:44:36 PM »
why did she run again ???

I'm pretty sure she ran because the piggish bloated pig who tased her was looking at her and licking his fat bloated chops and the crackhead was afraid the fat lazy nazi-wannabe pig was planning to eat her. That's what I heard anyway.
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