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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 05:28:20 AM »
i bet $100 zillion dollars they have palin raring up to voice her outrage, as the resident alaskan expert.

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 05:39:58 AM »
i bet $100 zillion dollars they have palin raring up to voice her outrage, as the resident alaskan expert.

Whatever.   Keep cheering on your treasonous king and messiah. 

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 06:42:51 AM »
more bullshit from right wing sites. this is the we're running 3 shitty canidates so lets change the subject.hahahaa  priceless

http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/fs/128740.htm

Status of Wrangel and Other Arctic Islands

Fact Sheet

Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs

September 8, 2009

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The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement was signed in 1990. The negotiations that led to that agreement did not address the status of Wrangel Island, Herald Island, Bennett Island, Jeannette Island, or Henrietta Island, all of which lie off Russia's Arctic coast, or Mednyy (Copper) Island or rocks off the coast of Mednyy Island in the Bering Sea. None of the islands or rocks above were included in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and they have never been claimed by the United States, although Americans were involved in the discovery and exploration of some of them.

The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement, signed by the United States and the Soviet Union on June 1, 1990, defines our maritime boundary in the Arctic Ocean, Bering Sea, and northern Pacific Ocean. The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement is a treaty that requires ratification by both parties before it formally enters into force. The treaty was made public at the time of its signing. In a separate exchange of diplomatic notes, the two countries agreed to apply the agreement provisionally. The United States Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification of the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement on September 16, 1991.

The Russian Federation informed the United States Government by diplomatic note dated January 13, 1992, that it “continues to perform the rights and fulfill the obligations flowing from the international agreements” signed by the Soviet Union. The United States and the Russian Federation, which is considered to be the sole successor state to the treaty rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union for the purposes of the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement, are applying the treaty on a provisional basis, pending its ratification by the Russian Federation.

The United States regularly holds discussions with Russia on Bering Sea issues, particularly issues related to fisheries management, but these discussions do not affect the placement of the U.S.-Russia boundary or the jurisdiction over any territory or the sovereignty of any territory. The United States has no intention of reopening discussion of the 1990 Maritime Boundary Agreement.

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2012, 07:05:29 AM »
#13    February 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Patty commented:

This is first part of article, again lengthy. Sorry

In recent years several U.S. islands have been ceded to Russia and other
countries, without congressional approval or public debate.

These islands, many uninhabited, are significant because they hold potential
mineral, gas, oil and fishing rights – not to mention potential strategic
military value.

So where exactly are these disputed islands?

The Arctic islands, which lie west of Alaska and north of Siberia, include the
islands of Wrangell, Herald, Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta.

The islands in the Bering Sea make up the westernmost point in Alaska’s
Aleutian chain and include Copper Island, Sea Otter Rock and Sea Lion
Rock. These islands together have more square mileage than the states
of Rhode Island and Delaware combined.

Though the United States had staked claim to these islands for more than a
century, the State Department has been anxious to turn them back to Russia.

The transfer would have gone unnoticed were it not for State Department
Watch, a Washington-based group that monitors State Department
activities.

Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Cmdr. Carl Olson, who heads State Department
Watch, recently checked with the Census Bureau, asking if it had plans
to count the inhabitants of these disputed islands in the current census.

Olson was stunned by the response he received from the Census Bureau.

“Census Bureau officials were informed by the U.S. Department of State that
these islands remain under the jurisdiction of Russia,” wrote Kenneth
Prewitt, director of the Census Bureau in a letter to Olson.

“Without confirmation and appropriate documentation from the Department
of State to the contrary, the Census Bureau cannot include these islands as
part of the State of Alaska,” Prewitt concluded.

Americans Become Russians

Olson notes that the Census Bureau, with the approval of the State Dept., has
just stripped Americans of their citizenship.

Consider the inhabitants of Wrangell Island, the largest of eight disputed
islands – five lying in the Arctic Ocean and three in the Bering Sea.

Geographically speaking, the island’s inhabitants would also be citizens of the
state of Alaska since no other American state comes even close to the
proximity of the islands.

But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by
the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian
military tower.

According to Olson, the islands including Wrangell have 18 Russian soldiers
and one officer and 50 to 100 inhabitants.

Olson insists these people have been made to endure foreign occupation by
the Russian military and believes the U.S. government should do something
about taking the islands back.

NewsMax.com contacted Mark Seidenberg, a former senior traffic
management specialist within the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and asked
him if he believed the United States should pursue its sovereignty on the
islands. Seidenberg, without hesitation, said “yes.”

U.S. Territory for Long Time

U.S. claims for these islands are strong.

When the United States purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867, the
impending treaty included all of the Aleutian Islands, including Copper
Island, Sea Otter Rock and Sea Lion Rock.

A number of years later, in 1881, U.S. Captain Calvin L. Hooper landed on
Wrangell Island and claimed it for the United States. One of the landing
party was famed explorer John Muir.

Also in 1881, the U.S. Navy claimed Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta islands
for the United States. Later that century, the British gave up their claim to
Herald Island, allowing the Americans to take it over.

Claims of these islands, however, didn’t become an important issue between
the former Soviet Union and the United States until the 1970s, when the
concept of international fishing zones 200 miles from national coastlines went
into affect.

With both the Soviet Union and Alaska having coastlines within a much
closer proximity than the needed 400-mile buffer zone, a maritime boundary
had to be established.

http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/give_away.html There is more and sorry this is very lengthy

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 07:06:12 AM »
Secret Transfer

The resulting U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Treaty was passed by the
Senate and ratified by former President George Bush in 1991. Russia,
however, never ratified the treaty because its leaders complained that the
U.S.S.R. didn’t benefit enough from it.

Nevertheless, former U.S. Secretary of State Jim Baker and the Soviet
Union’s Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze signed a secretive
executive agreement the year before that bound both governments to the
treaty.

Currently, Russia is demanding hundreds of millions of pounds more
fishing rights from the United States that would undermine the Alaskan
fish industry and, subsequently, the state’s economy.

A wealth of petroleum and natural gas hang in the balance as well.

When NewsMax.com contacted the State Department for an explanation, a
spokesman said he wasn’t aware of any issue involving the Wrangell Islands
and the U.S. government and that it was his belief that the islands have been
recognized as a part of Russia since the 1800s. During the course of the
interview, the State Department official asked if he was being “put on.”

Even though now recognizing Russian jurisdiction over the islands, the
State Department had testified at the June 13, 1991, treaty hearing that the
maritime boundary agreement “does not recognize Soviet sovereignty over
these [five Arctic] islands.”

Enraged by the turnover of Alaska’s sovereign land, Rep. John Coghill Jr. of
that state’s legislature sponsored House Joint Resolution 27, which beseeches
the Department of State to inform the Alaska Legislature of any decisions
regarding the maritime agreement.

The resolution further points out that setting a maritime boundary between
Alaska and Russia is a “constitutional issue of states’ rights.”

One of the issues over these islands and the surrounding waters are the
fishing rights of Alaskan fishermen. Oil, of which Alaska has the largest
national reserves, may also be abundant in the disputed territory.

Military Value

Olson notes the area’s strategic value as well.

Beneath the icy waters around the islands, submarine warfare has taken
place in the past between the former Soviet Union and the United States.
The ice is now one of the last places for submarines to hide. The islands
could also be hosts to vital facilities tracking hostile government movements.

“Everybody knows that the shortest distance between the U.S. mainland and
Asia is the polar route, giving easy access to aircraft and whatever else,”
Olson explained. “And the Asian mainland doesn’t just consist of Russia. It
includes China.”

More American Islands Lost

Olson adds that the Arctic islands are not the only American islands the
State Dept. has been giving away without congressional approval or treaty.

In recent years four American Pacific Islands – Washington, Fanning,
Makin and Little Makin – have been ceded to the island nation of Kiribati
without a treaty.

“Lost” islands include Nassau Island in the Pacific Ocean and Bajo Nuevo
and Serranilla Bank in the Caribbean Sea. The islands became American
territory under the Guano Act in the late 1800s.

Regarding these three lost islands, the Census Bureau’s Prewitt, in a letter
dated March 15, stated, “With respect to Nassau Island, Bajo Nuevo, or
Serranilla Bank, the Department of State has not informed the Census
Bureau that claims to these islands have been certified.”

In addition to the abandonment of the islands is the loss of all resources
within a 200-mile economic zone of each island. As is the case with most
of the Arctic islands, the economic zones around each of the islands may
be more important than the islands themselves.

http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/give_away.html There is more and sorry this is very lengthy

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 07:32:00 AM »
#13    February 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Patty commented:

This is first part of article, again lengthy. Sorry

In recent years several U.S. islands have been ceded to Russia and other
countries, without congressional approval or public debate.

These islands, many uninhabited, are significant because they hold potential
mineral, gas, oil and fishing rights – not to mention potential strategic
military value.

So where exactly are these disputed islands?

The Arctic islands, which lie west of Alaska and north of Siberia, include the
islands of Wrangell, Herald, Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta.

The islands in the Bering Sea make up the westernmost point in Alaska’s
Aleutian chain and include Copper Island, Sea Otter Rock and Sea Lion
Rock. These islands together have more square mileage than the states
of Rhode Island and Delaware combined.

Though the United States had staked claim to these islands for more than a
century, the State Department has been anxious to turn them back to Russia.

The transfer would have gone unnoticed were it not for State Department
Watch, a Washington-based group that monitors State Department
activities.

Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Cmdr. Carl Olson, who heads State Department
Watch, recently checked with the Census Bureau, asking if it had plans
to count the inhabitants of these disputed islands in the current census.

Olson was stunned by the response he received from the Census Bureau.

“Census Bureau officials were informed by the U.S. Department of State that
these islands remain under the jurisdiction of Russia,” wrote Kenneth
Prewitt, director of the Census Bureau in a letter to Olson.

“Without confirmation and appropriate documentation from the Department
of State to the contrary, the Census Bureau cannot include these islands as
part of the State of Alaska,” Prewitt concluded.

Americans Become Russians

Olson notes that the Census Bureau, with the approval of the State Dept., has
just stripped Americans of their citizenship.

Consider the inhabitants of Wrangell Island, the largest of eight disputed
islands – five lying in the Arctic Ocean and three in the Bering Sea.

Geographically speaking, the island’s inhabitants would also be citizens of the
state of Alaska since no other American state comes even close to the
proximity of the islands.

But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by
the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian
military tower.

According to Olson, the islands including Wrangell have 18 Russian soldiers
and one officer and 50 to 100 inhabitants.

Olson insists these people have been made to endure foreign occupation by
the Russian military and believes the U.S. government should do something
about taking the islands back.

NewsMax.com contacted Mark Seidenberg, a former senior traffic
management specialist within the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and asked
him if he believed the United States should pursue its sovereignty on the
islands. Seidenberg, without hesitation, said “yes.”

U.S. Territory for Long Time

U.S. claims for these islands are strong.

When the United States purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867, the
impending treaty included all of the Aleutian Islands, including Copper
Island, Sea Otter Rock and Sea Lion Rock.

A number of years later, in 1881, U.S. Captain Calvin L. Hooper landed on
Wrangell Island and claimed it for the United States. One of the landing
party was famed explorer John Muir.

Also in 1881, the U.S. Navy claimed Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta islands
for the United States. Later that century, the British gave up their claim to
Herald Island, allowing the Americans to take it over.

Claims of these islands, however, didn’t become an important issue between
the former Soviet Union and the United States until the 1970s, when the
concept of international fishing zones 200 miles from national coastlines went
into affect.

With both the Soviet Union and Alaska having coastlines within a much
closer proximity than the needed 400-mile buffer zone, a maritime boundary
had to be established.

http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/give_away.html There is more and sorry this is very lengthy

WTF?
Why are they so interested in giving away the land? What can they possibly gain?
Why was Obama so bound and determined to give Russian our missle defense info?
What the fuck are they getting from Russia to possibly justify these things?

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 07:34:28 AM »
again..nothing to see here...gas is fine, prices are ok...Barry in in charge.....things are great. I pray he has a heart attack everyday.
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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 07:52:12 AM »
Obama is getting his revenge on the nation.

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 08:17:29 AM »
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/report-obama-administration-is-giving-away-7-strategic-islands-to-russia


4 more years of this will end this nation.




You're so stupid to believe everything you read without doing any research ::)
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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 09:05:40 AM »

You're so stupid to believe everything you read without doing any research ::)
epic irony coming from you

Hey maybe you and andre can get together and circle jerk over obamas next friday news dump.

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2012, 04:33:30 AM »
Obama State Department set to cede oil-rich Alaska islands to Russia.
worldnewstribune.com ^ | February 17, 2012 | Joe Miller
Posted on February 25, 2012 7:21:17 AM EST by satan69

Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin. … The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
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The Fiscal 2013 Defense spending bill that passed the House 326 to 90 with bipartisan support Thursday evening included an amendment that would prohibit President Barack Obama from making good on a deal with Russia that he appeared to hint at earlier this year. Introduced by Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), the amendment bars the administration from sharing classified missile defense information with Russia. In late March, an inadvertent hot-mic moment caught Obama asking Russian president Dmitri Medvedev for “space” until after the election, saying he would then have more “flexibility” to

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2012, 07:10:25 PM »
Obama is getting his revenge on the nation.

revenge for what ?

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2012, 03:14:47 AM »
revenge for what ?


For making him president :P

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Re: Obama giving away 7 strategic islands in Alaska to Russia.
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2012, 11:38:51 AM »
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/report-obama-administration-is-giving-away-7-strategic-islands-to-russia


4 more years of this will end this nation.




They are accross the U.S/ Russia Maritime Border.....they are Russia's...... ::)
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