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Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« on: February 22, 2012, 04:27:47 AM »
You Probably Do Not Appreciate How Much Taxes On Rich People Are About To Go Up...
Henry Blodget    | 40 minutes ago | 447 | 7

DEAR DEMOCRATS: We Do Need To Talk About How Big You Want The Government To Be

MAULDIN: The Truth Is It Doesn't Matter Who's President -- We'd Be Screwed Regardless

THE TRUTH ABOUT TAXES: Here's How High Today's Rates Really Are

There has been a lot of fighting about the possibility of raising taxes on the highest-earning Americans.
There has also been frustration about how much President Obama's healthcare plan will eventually cost Americans, especially high-income Americans.

And there have been fisticuffs over the expiration of the "Bush tax cuts," which have now been in force for so long that most people have forgotten what life was like before them (in part, a federal budget surplus).
Until recently, however, these concerns have seemed academic--something that might happen happen at some point in the distant future.

Well, that future is almost here.

Andrew H. Friedman of Eaton Vance recently summarized the tax changes that will take effect in 2013, about 9 months from now.

The changes reflect the double-whammy of the new healthcare tax (3.8% on dividend income and other forms of unearned income) and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. The combination of the two is startling, even for those who support raising taxes for rich people.

Importantly, these tax changes are already a matter of existing law. To prevent them from taking effect, Congress would have to agree to stop them from taking effect.

What's the bottom line on these changes?

Americans who earn more than $200,000 a year ($250,000 for families) are about to pay the highest taxes they have paid in 35 years, since the late 1980s. The top tax bracket on ordinary income will jump from 35% to 43%. The tax rate on dividends, meanwhile, will leap from 15% to 43%, an extraordinary 300% increase.

Here's Andrew Friedman:

Republicans believe the Bush tax cuts should be extended for all taxpayers. Democrats believe they should be extended only for the middle and lower classes. President Obama has said he will veto any further extension of the Bush tax cuts for upper income families. If the President carries through on that threat, then either the Republicans must accept a compromise that raises taxes only on the affluent or watch the tax cuts expire for everyone. Under either scenario, affluent taxpayers will face higher taxes in 2013.

And that is not the end of the story.

To help finance the health care reform law passed in 2009, Congress approved a new tax on investment income to take effect in 2013. Beginning next year, families whose overall income is above $250,000 (individuals with income over $200,000) will pay an additional tax of 3.8% on taxable investment income (e.g., interest, dividends, capital gains, rents, royalties). This additional tax will not apply to non- taxable income, such as tax-exempt municipal bond interest, or to amounts withdrawn from qualified pension plans and IRAs.

When the new tax under health care reform is added to the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, in 2013:

The top tax rate on ordinary income will rise from 35% to 43.4%—an increase of almost 25%

The top tax rate on capital gains will rise from 15% to 23.8%—an increase of almost 60%

The top tax rate on dividends will rise from 15% to 43.4%—an increase of almost 300%

The estate tax exemption will drop from $5 million to $1 million and the estate tax rate will rise from 35% to 55%—an
increase of over 55%

Most important, Congress need not pass a single piece of tax legislation in 2012 for these tax rates to take effect in 2013. They will happen by default.

SEE ALSO: THE TRUTH ABOUT TAXES: Here's How High Today's Really Are

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Re: Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 06:27:07 AM »
You Probably Do Not Appreciate How Much Taxes On Rich People Are About To Go Up...
Henry Blodget    | 40 minutes ago | 447 | 7

DEAR DEMOCRATS: We Do Need To Talk About How Big You Want The Government To Be

MAULDIN: The Truth Is It Doesn't Matter Who's President -- We'd Be Screwed Regardless

THE TRUTH ABOUT TAXES: Here's How High Today's Rates Really Are

There has been a lot of fighting about the possibility of raising taxes on the highest-earning Americans.
There has also been frustration about how much President Obama's healthcare plan will eventually cost Americans, especially high-income Americans.

And there have been fisticuffs over the expiration of the "Bush tax cuts," which have now been in force for so long that most people have forgotten what life was like before them (in part, a federal budget surplus).
Until recently, however, these concerns have seemed academic--something that might happen happen at some point in the distant future.

Well, that future is almost here.

Andrew H. Friedman of Eaton Vance recently summarized the tax changes that will take effect in 2013, about 9 months from now.

The changes reflect the double-whammy of the new healthcare tax (3.8% on dividend income and other forms of unearned income) and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. The combination of the two is startling, even for those who support raising taxes for rich people.

Importantly, these tax changes are already a matter of existing law. To prevent them from taking effect, Congress would have to agree to stop them from taking effect.

What's the bottom line on these changes?

Americans who earn more than $200,000 a year ($250,000 for families) are about to pay the highest taxes they have paid in 35 years, since the late 1980s. The top tax bracket on ordinary income will jump from 35% to 43%. The tax rate on dividends, meanwhile, will leap from 15% to 43%, an extraordinary 300% increase.

Here's Andrew Friedman:

Republicans believe the Bush tax cuts should be extended for all taxpayers. Democrats believe they should be extended only for the middle and lower classes. President Obama has said he will veto any further extension of the Bush tax cuts for upper income families. If the President carries through on that threat, then either the Republicans must accept a compromise that raises taxes only on the affluent or watch the tax cuts expire for everyone. Under either scenario, affluent taxpayers will face higher taxes in 2013.

And that is not the end of the story.

To help finance the health care reform law passed in 2009, Congress approved a new tax on investment income to take effect in 2013. Beginning next year, families whose overall income is above $250,000 (individuals with income over $200,000) will pay an additional tax of 3.8% on taxable investment income (e.g., interest, dividends, capital gains, rents, royalties). This additional tax will not apply to non- taxable income, such as tax-exempt municipal bond interest, or to amounts withdrawn from qualified pension plans and IRAs.

When the new tax under health care reform is added to the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, in 2013:

The top tax rate on ordinary income will rise from 35% to 43.4%—an increase of almost 25%

The top tax rate on capital gains will rise from 15% to 23.8%—an increase of almost 60%

The top tax rate on dividends will rise from 15% to 43.4%—an increase of almost 300%

The estate tax exemption will drop from $5 million to $1 million and the estate tax rate will rise from 35% to 55%—an
increase of over 55%

Most important, Congress need not pass a single piece of tax legislation in 2012 for these tax rates to take effect in 2013. They will happen by default.

SEE ALSO: THE TRUTH ABOUT TAXES: Here's How High Today's Really Are

Wow.
Epic fail.
But not one real spending cut.
Epic fucking fial.

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Re: Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 11:48:14 AM »
fine by me.
if you want the services, then you get to pay for them.
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Re: Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 11:55:54 AM »
fine by me.
if you want the services, then you get to pay for them.


I dont want your gay communist thug potus bullshit health care and should have the choice not to pay for it. 

I thought you leftists were all about "choice"   ? ? ? 


Of course you clowns are not for choice.   You are for making a mess and having everyone else pay for it. 

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Re: Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 03:40:58 PM »
fine by me.
if you want the services, then you get to pay for them.

what if you dont want the services?

should you still be forced to pay?

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Re: Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 05:18:38 AM »
what if you dont want the services?

should you still be forced to pay?
i'm happy to buy my own BC/BS. have done so for years.
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Re: Tsunami of new taxes about to hit to pay for MenegleCare.
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 05:19:40 AM »
I dont want your gay communist thug potus bullshit health care and should have the choice not to pay for it. 

I thought you leftists were all about "choice"   ? ? ? 


Of course you clowns are not for choice.   You are for making a mess and having everyone else pay for it. 
because I look forward to your posts as you are dragged, kicking and screaming to the insurance agt for your policy. will make for interesting posts and pics.
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