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Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« on: February 23, 2012, 05:32:36 PM »
Nation might reach $16.4 trillion debt limit close to Election Day (bitter fight brewing)
The Hill ^ | 2/23/12 | Peter Schroeder
Posted on February 23, 2012 8:28:42 PM EST by Libloather

Nation might reach $16.4 trillion debt limit close to Election Day
By Peter Schroeder - 02/23/12 02:46 PM ET

The $16.4 trillion debt ceiling could be reached just weeks after Election Day, according to a new report.

The analysis raises the possibility that lawmakers might have to raise the nation's borrowing limit before the election, a scenario they took pains to avoid in the debt deal passed in August.

Now, partially due to lower than expected tax receipts, the nation could reach the $16.4 trillion debt limit as early as late November, according to an analysis from the Bipartisan Policy Center (BPC) to be released Friday.

Just a few weeks ago, the Center has estimated the debt-limit wouldn’t be reached until the spring of 2013.

But continued sluggishness in the economy, coupled with the recent payroll package that adds to the deficit, is casting doubt on that timeframe, raising the possibility of a bitter fight over deficit spending at the height of a presidential election year.

Last year's fight over the debt ceiling brought the nation to the brink of default and resulted in the first-ever downgrade of U.S. securities. The last-minute deal to raise the borrowing limit by $2.1 trillion was supposed to tide the government over until the end of 2012, by which point electoral politics would be in the rearview mirror.

But analysts at the BPC said it’s looking increasingly likely that those best-laid plans will be dashed by “unexpected circumstances.”

"Congress, the administration and outside analysts believed that this increase would allow federal borrowing under the limit until well into 2013," writes Steve Bell, senior director of economic policy at BPC. "Due to unexpected circumstances ... that belief appears increasingly likely to have been misguided."

The timeline is shrinking, the BPC said, because corporations are paying significantly less in taxes than the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated in August, when the debt-limit increase was approved.

In its latest forecast, released in January, the CBO said that corporate tax receipts are "significantly weaker" than previously estimated, despite rising profits.

CBO lowered its forecast for corporate tax expectations by $78 billion in the January report.

The payroll tax package approved by Congress last week is also eating into the timeline. That legislation, which also extends unemployment insurance benefits and the Medicare "doc fix," is estimated to increase borrowing by about $101 billion this fiscal year —about a month's worth of borrowing under the debt limit, according to BPC.

The new analysis from BPC is in line with the latest projection from Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

Geithner told lawmakers earlier this month that, even taking into account the payroll tax deal, the administration expects to hit the debt limit sometime before the end of the year, but "significantly after" the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30.

He said a number of still unknown factors could significantly alter that timeline, such as the amount of tax receipts the government reaps in April.

Similarly, the Bipartisan Policy Center offered major caveats for its analysis, saying "substantial uncertainty" about the course of the economy for the remainder of the year could substantially alter when the debt limit is actually hit.

Instability in financial markets and economies in Europe, heightening tensions in the Middle East, potential spikes in gas prices or any major slowing of the U.S. economy could substantially alter the debt-limit projections, according to Bell.

Furthermore, hitting the debt limit in November would not necessarily require Congress to take immediate action.

When the government last reached the debt limit in May, Treasury was able to buy nearly three months of time using “extraordinary measures” that pushed the final deadline to August.

The BPC projects that similar measures by Treasury would give policymakers until February to strike a debt-limit deal.


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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 05:48:35 PM »
I love me some Barry!!!!!!
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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 05:50:40 PM »
I love me some Barry!!!!!!


According to obamabots - bush 5 trillion over 8 years no good

Obama 6 trillion over 4 years totally ok



Got it yet? 

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 05:55:29 PM »
...no lets give him four more years because I wish he could suck more.
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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 05:56:43 PM »
...no lets give him four more years because I wish he could suck more.

LOL.    I'm going to post that on my Facebook and cause a few meltdowns and get a few people to defined me.   


screw that fat thug! 

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 06:00:03 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 06:02:00 PM »
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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 06:02:17 PM »

According to obamabots - bush 5 trillion over 8 years no good

Obama 6 trillion over 4 years totally ok



Got it yet? 

The 2009 debt is not Obamas... It's Bush's.

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 06:03:18 PM »
The 2009 debt is not Obamas... It's Bush's.

Obamas only problem w bush is that he did not spend more!   

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 06:08:03 PM »
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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 06:09:25 PM »
Obamas only problem w bush is that he did not spend more!   

That is an opinion of course, but factually, the 2009 debt is not Obamas... Aside from the stimulus, the rest was Bush's.

I too wish that Obama would spend less... Including cutting the military, social security, medicare, and a host of other things.

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 06:13:41 PM »
That is an opinion of course, but factually, the 2009 debt is not Obamas... Aside from the stimulus, the rest was Bush's.

I too wish that Obama would spend less... Including cutting the military, social security, medicare, and a host of other things.

Obama supported Reid and pelosi from 2006 - 2008 so he is definitely to blame.    if you look at almost any. Chart as to when the wheels came off the wagon in this country, it's when pelosi reid seized the congress. 


Obama was even to the left of Bernie sanders in his voting record and deserves nothing bt scorn, blame, and ridicule for his failed belief system and communist ideology.

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 06:15:35 PM »
Obama supported Reid and pelosi from 2006 - 2008 so he is definitely to blame.    if you look at almost any. Chart as to when the wheels came off the wagon in this country, it's when pelosi reid seized the congress. 


Obama was even to the left of Bernie sanders in his voting record and deserves nothing bt scorn, blame, and ridicule for his failed belief system and communist ideology.

Wait, so you're saying that the President doesn't provide the budget and sign off on it?

Come on man.

You know better than this.


The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. In recent times, the President's budget submission, entitled Budget of the U.S. Government, has been issued in the first week of February. Thus, President George W. Bush submitted the FY2007 budget in February 2006. The President's budget submission, along with supporting documents and historical budget data, can be found at the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) website. The President's budget contains detailed information on spending and revenue proposals, along with policy proposals and initiatives with significant budgetary implications.

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 06:20:35 PM »
Have you not read my posts about my feelings on GWB second term?   

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 10:01:15 AM »
Have you not read my posts about my feelings on GWB second term?  

I have, but you are saying the problem between 2006 and 2008 was because of Pelosi and Reid, but they didn't make the budget at that time, so I'm trying to understand what you are saying the democrats did at that time to make the deficit so bad.

In 2009, that years budget is not owned by Obama... That was Bush's budget, so truly you can only use the numbers between 2010 until today.

Would you like to see an interesting chart?

(Keep in Mind that Andrew Sullivan and his crew are typically very conservative.)

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/02/chart-of-the-day-7.html




Peter Suderman parses a new report [pdf] on the GOP candidates' tax-and-spending plans:

    How is it that Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich would end up increasing the federal debt? It’s pretty simple, really: They would cut taxes, but wouldn’t cut spending to match. Santorum’s policies would reduce spending by a little more than $2 trillion, but would cut taxes by $6 trillion. Gingrich would cut slightly more in spending—about $2.7 trillion—but would cut taxes by $7 trillion and actually add $1.6 trillion in spending to overhaul Social Security, among other policy changes. Romney’s vague plans score better, but wouldn’t reduce the debt, and would probably push it slightly higher than it otherwise would have been. Ron Paul, on the other hand, would cut taxes, but he’d cut spending even more. His tax cuts would reduce the tax burden by $5.2 trillion; meanwhile, he would reduce spending by $7.2 trillion.

Derek Thompson puts the candidates tax plans in context:

    These plans don't accidentally raise the deficit. They just don't care about the deficit. Deficit reduction isn't hard to do, arithmetically. You raise taxes over time. You control discretionary spending. You clear the way for health care cost innovation while introducing policies that will limit health care in the future. It's not rocket science, it's math. The hard stuff is getting Congress to agree to your math. But how is that supposed to happen if pols refuse to do even the basic addition and subtraction when it's just them and a blank sheet of paper?






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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2012, 10:09:01 AM »
Do you honestly believe Obama and Paul are the same in that?  Come on now.   


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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 10:10:46 AM »
Done.   






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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2012, 10:32:57 AM »
Do you honestly believe Obama and Paul are the same in that?  Come on now.   



Well, unless you can show me where the article and the GDP numbers are false, I would say they are the same.

I would wager that Obama would raise taxes slightly and spend maybe a little less and Paul would not raise them but cut a lot more... So the way they get the numbers, no... Totally different, but the GDP numbers themselves seem to be accurate.

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2012, 02:22:50 PM »

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2012, 02:29:24 PM »
That does not change nor disagree with what I posted.

Obama has done nothing but make the matter worse.   

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Re: Debt to reach 16.4 Trillion by Election Day.
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2012, 02:42:03 PM »
Obama has done nothing but make the matter worse.   

According to what I posted, Newt, Santorum, and Mitt would ALL make it worse than Obama.

The only person who won't is Paul.