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LiveScience.com – Tue, Feb 28, 2012

The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.

The research, led by David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, shows that incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people's ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.
As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them. On top of that, "very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is," Dunning told Life's Little Mysteries.

He and colleague Justin Kruger, formerly of Cornell and now of New York University, have demonstrated again and again that people are self-delusional when it comes to their own intellectual skills. Whether the researchers are testing people's ability to rate the funniness of jokes, the correctness of grammar, or even their own performance in a game of chess, the duo has found  that people always assess their own performance as "above average" — even people who, when tested, actually perform at the very bottom of the pile. [Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It]

We're just as undiscerning about the skills of others as about ourselves. "To the extent that you are incompetent, you are a worse judge of incompetence in other people," Dunning said. In one study, the researchers asked students to grade quizzes that tested for grammar skill. "We found that students who had done worse on the test itself gave more inaccurate grades to other students." Essentially, they didn't recognize the correct answer even when they saw it.

The reason for this disconnect is simple: "If you have gaps in your knowledge in a given area, then you’re not in a position to assess your own gaps or the gaps of others," Dunning said. Strangely though, in these experiments, people tend to readily and accurately agree on who the worst performers are, while failing to recognize the best performers.

The most incompetent among us serve as canaries in the coal mine signifying a larger quandary in the concept of democracy; truly ignorant people may be the worst judges of candidates and ideas, Dunning said, but we all suffer from a degree of blindness stemming from our own personal lack of expertise.

Mato Nagel, a sociologist in Germany, recently implemented Dunning and Kruger's theories by computer-simulating a democratic election. In his mathematical model of the election, he assumed that voters' own leadership skills were distributed on a bell curve — some were really good leaders, some, really bad, but most were mediocre — and that each voter was incapable of recognizing the leadership skills of a political candidate as being better than his or her own. When such an election was simulated, candidates whose leadership skills were only slightly better than average always won.

Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 11:25:38 AM »








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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 11:26:49 AM »

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 04:16:36 PM »
people chose cain over huntsman.   nuff said.

they believed he was smarter and more conservative and more ready to face the many issues in the world.

yes, people are that stupid.

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 04:31:14 PM »
people chose cain over huntsman.   nuff said.

they believed he was smarter and more conservative and more ready to face the many issues in the world.

yes, people are that stupid.

Yep yep yep

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 04:38:15 PM »
   What place did cain come in iowa?   :)

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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 05:01:40 PM »
people chose cain over huntsman.   nuff said.

they believed he was smarter and more conservative and more ready to face the many issues in the world.

yes, people are that stupid.

Huntsman didn't inspire....he didn't try and take the prize. His campaign failed. Thats not the mark of a good president.  There are plenty of people well qualified for president......
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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 05:54:17 PM »
A first-term senator who voted 'present' more often than not won the presidency based on a campaign of smooth talking and lies. We needed a study to confirm that?

This study was probably paid for with stimulus money.

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 06:33:46 PM »
It's not that people are not smart enough. It's simply that people don't have the incentive to do the necessary research about the candidates. Google "public choice" and "rational voter ignorance."

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 06:57:16 PM »
people chose cain over huntsman.   nuff said.

they believed he was smarter and more conservative and more ready to face the many issues in the world.

yes, people are that stupid.

Good post!

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 07:01:23 PM »
Kind of like getbig members thinking they are smart by discussing politics on a bodybuilding forum but are really to stupid to understand how retarded they sound.

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 06:13:19 AM »
Huntsman didn't inspire....he didn't try and take the prize. His campaign failed. Thats not the mark of a good president.  There are plenty of people well qualified for president......

Cain inspired people with extremely poor judgment in their president.

He gloated that he was a leader, not a reader.  That's almost "The Onion" running a candidate.  "Ubeki-beki-beki-stan" - bragging that he didn't have an hours' worth of study knowldge on how the middle east is put together and works.

Seriously, he could have spent ONE DAY with wiki or a trainer, and know a decent history of the middle east.  instead he bragged about how he knew nothing about it, and hoped CHina wouldn't get nukes.   

And THAT inspired 40%+ of republican primary voters.  I just don't get it.

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 06:15:55 AM »
Cain inspired people with extremely poor judgment in their president.

He gloated that he was a leader, not a reader.  That's almost "The Onion" running a candidate.  "Ubeki-beki-beki-stan" - bragging that he didn't have an hours' worth of study knowldge on how the middle east is put together and works.

Seriously, he could have spent ONE DAY with wiki or a trainer, and know a decent history of the middle east.  instead he bragged about how he knew nothing about it, and hoped CHina wouldn't get nukes.   

And THAT inspired 40%+ of republican primary voters.  I just don't get it.



Can you show me the results of the IOWA and NH primary where people chose Cain over Huntsman  ?

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 06:18:32 AM »


Can you show me the results of the IOWA and NH primary where people chose Cain over Huntsman  ?

They chose cain all thru the fall.

of course, cain's inability to keep his d*ck in his pants had removed him from the race by Iowa.  Thank goodness.

In Iowa, they did choose the forgetful ignorant drunk cowboy over huntsmann.

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 06:20:57 AM »
They chose cain all thru the fall.

of course, cain's inability to keep his d*ck in his pants had removed him from the race by Iowa.  Thank goodness.

In Iowa, they did choose the forgetful ignorant drunk cowboy over huntsmann.

They didnt choose anything - they voted for others, which was the choice. 

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 06:28:40 AM »
They didnt choose anything - they voted for others, which was the choice. 

They chose a flip flopping romney, a religious zealout santorum, a corrupt newt, a hapless Perry =

all over Huntsmann, rated the highest conservative in the race by the top blogger, columnist, and conservative newspaper...

a total statesman with economic  understanding who spoke chinese, for pete's sake.

And NOW?  They are scratching their heads about what to do with romney vs santorum. 



they deserve 4 more years of obama, so that they will never again settle for douchebags.

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 06:32:59 AM »
Get off your high horse.  Huntsman was a pussy and sniveling baby.  His campaign was horrible. 

And funny too you dont say anything about people picking an inexperienced radical communist marxist over hillary. 

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2012, 06:36:00 AM »
This whole thread proves the original article  ;D

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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2012, 06:36:55 AM »
This whole thread proves the original article  ;D

Go away stalker.   You voted for that commie ghetto slum pimp obama and have no basis to attack others. 

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2012, 02:10:31 PM »
LiveScience.com – Tue, Feb 28, 2012

The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.




Growing body of research?

They knew this hundreds of fucking years ago.

It's the entire reason for the electoral college.

Hasn't exactly been a good check, IMO.

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Re: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2012, 08:19:28 PM »
Go away stalker.   You voted for that commie ghetto slum pimp obama and have no basis to attack others. 

Hey genius..Im not Amercian..If you cant even deduce that fact after about the millionth time Ive told you then why should anyone buy all the bullshit you spew since you are obviously an emotionally imbalanced moron who sits at home all day and posts about politic son a bodybuilding message forum.