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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2012, 10:01:29 AM »

Natural sciences are formed based on observation. It's not strict in the mathmatical or logical sense, as there are is no axiomatic system whatsoever and we use many assumptions, like "if it works 100000 times, it will work for 100000th time" which obviously may not hold. Especially evolutionary science by definition is doomed to base on the facts that we have now to prove something about the past. We live too short to observe any kind of evolution, so what we have is DNA and other proofs which may not satisfy everyone, but well, that's all we're ever gonna have. On the other side we have belief based on book wrote by arabs and jews thousands of years ago.

Non-scientists should not discuss science. I'm sorry, but fuck off.

Please give us your extensive science background.
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2012, 10:13:42 AM »

Please give us your extensive science background.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2012, 10:17:27 AM »

She looks happier than him tho. And obviously she contributes more to mankind than him. What is he contributing to mankind exactly?

Also, let's hope for him that God truly doesnt exist lol...
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2012, 10:23:32 AM »

She looks way dumber than him tho.

Also, I hope that the real god is the one I preach (not some "mojo" or "alach")...

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2012, 10:26:10 AM »

She looks happier than him tho. And obviously she contributes more to mankind than him. What is he contributing to mankind exactly?

Also, let's hope for him that God truly doesnt exist lol...

Do you make a habit of making up shit when you don't understand something, ie God?
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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2012, 10:28:01 AM »

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With how much time has passed, why has human's not evolved into a different species?  Second question, we manipulate cells the same way, bilions of time over without difference, does it not blow a hole in that theory?
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2012, 10:32:41 AM »

With how much time has passed, why has human's not evolved into a different species?  Second question, we manipulate cells the same way, bilions of time over without difference, does it not blow a hole in that theory?

How "much time"? Have you at least any idea of how LITTLE time has passed, when looking from a point of EVOLUTION (hundreds of thousands of years, sometimes even millions and millions, until something significant "happens", speaking in a context of mutation and change in a specie).

How we manipulate? What are you talking about?
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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2012, 10:51:31 AM »

creationists dont necessarily deny evolution. she is a horrrible representative of the group.
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2012, 11:17:58 AM »

She looks happier than him tho. And obviously she contributes more to mankind than him. What is he contributing to mankind exactly?

Also, let's hope for him that God truly doesnt exist lol...

What did he contribute to mankind? He's professor of biology, read his works for christ's sake. Oh wait, you can't understand them.
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2012, 11:19:44 AM »

Richard Dawkins never claimed to be an athiest:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9102740/Richard-Dawkins-I-cant-be-sure-God-does-not-exist.html
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2012, 11:25:23 AM »

She looks happier than him tho. And obviously she contributes more to mankind than him. What is he contributing to mankind exactly?

Also, let's hope for him that God truly doesnt exist lol...

Not with you on that. She does not look happy at all. She has that typical bigot behavior, hypocritical smile and good mannered which still doesn't cover up the fact that she hates every single person with different ideas then her own. Her agenda isn't even hidden, she's just a conservative lobbyist. I don't see the contribution here. At least, he's an author and scientist with a body of work to show for. You can even criticize it which makes it worth something. On the contrary of that woman who's hiding behind "values" she's pushing as a way to make herself more important.
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2012, 12:16:44 PM »

Not with you on that. She does not look happy at all. She has that typical bigot behavior, hypocritical smile and good mannered which still doesn't cover up the fact that she hates every single person with different ideas then her own. Her agenda isn't even hidden, she's just a conservative lobbyist. I don't see the contribution here. At least, he's an author and scientist with a body of work to show for. You can even criticize it which makes it worth something. On the contrary of that woman who's hiding behind "values" she's pushing as a way to make herself more important.

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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2012, 12:19:04 PM »

If we all came from 2 people 6,000 years ago, then why are we different colors.

That's all I want to know.

We would all look so damn similar that it's not funny if that were the case.

There would only be one "race", but yet we have so many... Obviously an evolutionary output of some sort.
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2012, 12:22:05 PM »

If we all came from 2 people 6,000 years ago, then why are we different colors.

That's all I want to know.

We would all look so damn similar that it's not funny if that were the case.

There would only be one "race", but yet we have so many... Obviously an evolutionary output of some sort.

Not only did Almighty God confound the language at the tower of Babel but also the races because the word confound taken to its root meaning literally means to mix.
Remember what you allow yourself to think, see, hear, say and do literally set into motion Godís
creative powers that form the matrix of lifeís reality you find yourself now walking so be circumspect,
putting your mind, eyes, ears and tongue on what is good, positive and constructive.
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« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2012, 12:25:37 PM »

Not only did Almighty God confound the language at the tower of Babel but also the races because the word confound taken to its root meaning literally means to mix.
Remember what you allow yourself to think, see, hear, say and do literally set into motion Godís
creative powers that form the matrix of lifeís reality you find yourself now walking so be circumspect,
putting your mind, eyes, ears and tongue on what is good, positive and constructive.


Yeah... That story is what is called a lie.

Do you think they built towers taller than the Sears Tower in Chicago? The World Trade Center?

God cared about tall buildings 6000 years ago, but now, they are totally cool?
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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2012, 12:30:05 PM »

creationists are one of the things that really get my blood boiling. Idiots plain and simple.

Yes i am a scientist, but they'd annoy the heck out of me even if i wasn't.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2012, 01:37:32 PM »

Not only did Almighty God confound the language at the tower of Babel but also the races because the word confound taken to its root meaning literally means to mix.
Remember what you allow yourself to think, see, hear, say and do literally set into motion Godís
creative powers that form the matrix of lifeís reality you find yourself now walking so be circumspect,
putting your mind, eyes, ears and tongue on what is good, positive and constructive.



please, please, please, just

fuck.right.off.

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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2012, 02:04:11 PM »

creationists are one of the things that really get my blood boiling. Idiots plain and simple.

Yes i am a scientist, but they'd annoy the heck out of me even if i wasn't.
Staunch scientists annoy me, staunch creationists annoy me...all because they tend to hold onto their own dogmas, and not seeing that their mindset is alike---it's either "my way or no way".
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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2012, 02:15:43 PM »

With how much time has passed, why has human's not evolved into a different species?  Second question, we manipulate cells the same way, bilions of time over without difference, does it not blow a hole in that theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/

Evolution right in front of your eyes. If you wish to have any credibility in this debate whatsoever, at least quickly glance through the wiki page and then come back.
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2012, 02:32:55 PM »

My question is:  why has evolving stopped?   Roll Eyes

Sorry dude but are you rolling your eyes at that statement or with it?
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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2012, 02:44:04 PM »

With how much time has passed, why has human's not evolved into a different species?  Second question, we manipulate cells the same way, bilions of time over without difference, does it not blow a hole in that theory?

Dude that is such a weak argument. The Earth is supposed to be 4.5 billion years old and it is estimated that life has been around for 3.5 billion. Which means it took that long for us to evolve from the simplest organisms to where we are at now.
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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2012, 02:49:52 PM »

Dude that is such a weak argument. The Earth is supposed to be 4.5 billion years old and it is estimated that life has been around for 3.5 billion. Which means it took that long for us to evolve from the simplest organisms to where we are at now.
Are you trying to say that "God" needed time to perfect his recipe? And that he needs to raise the temp a little bit?
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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2012, 02:55:32 PM »

creationists dont necessarily deny evolution. she is a horrrible representative of the group.
No. They just encompass it within their nonsense. Once you start lying, why stop? 
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« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2012, 03:02:40 PM »

Please give us your extensive science background.
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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2012, 03:25:43 PM »

phd in broscience
That's got to be comparable to an internet degree, I figure. 
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