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March 2, 2012

Soldiers Are Said to Face Punishment in Koran Burnings

By GRAHAM BOWLEY and ALISSA J. RUBIN






KABUL, Afghanistan — Five American service members and an Afghan-American linguist may face disciplinary action in the burning of Korans at a NATO base, an event a week ago that plunged Afghanistan into days of violent protests, according to the preliminary conclusions of a joint military investigation.

“All six will be referred to the proper U.S. authorities for further action,” said an official familiar with the joint Afghan-American investigation into the Koran burnings, who was not authorized to speak about it publicly.

Significantly, the five service members include military “leaders,” according to the report. While it was unclear whether that meant any senior officers would be held to account, it was taken as a sign here that the investigation was focusing more on decision-making along the chain of command rather than simply focusing on soldiers who may have been carrying out orders with little understanding of their potential impact.

The preeminent religious authority in Afghanistan, the Ulema Council, said Friday that those responsible for the burning of the Korans and other religious texts should be put on trial and punished. And it called for the American-led coalition to respond by handing over all Afghan prisoners in its custody and ceding control of its prisons.

The Ulema Council, which is made up of scholarly mullahs, made its recommendations following its own investigation into the Koran burning incident last week in a statement released through President Hamid Karzai’s office late on Friday evening.

The burning of the Korans and other religious texts, seized from Afghan prisoners at an American-run detention center, triggered days of deadly protests. At least 29 Afghans have been killed in the violence, and the outpouring of popular fury coincided with the shooting deaths of six American soldiers.

Gen. John R. Allen, the NATO commanding general in Afghanistan, and President Obama both apologized in the wake of the demonstrations.

But in its statement Friday, the Ulema Council condemned the burning, said no apology would be enough to forgive the desecrations of the Koran and asked for guarantees that religious texts would never be dishonored again.

“The council strongly condemns this inhuman, bad and barbaric act by American forces based at Bagram Military Base and emphasizes that this devilish action cannot be forgiven by apologizing,” Maulawi Mohammad Said, a member of the council, said in a statement read to Mr. Karzai, according to the palace. “The perpetrators of this crime should be put on a public trial as soon as possible and be punished, and both NATO and the United States should guarantee that in the future no one will dare to desecrate Muslim religious materials.”

The council’s recommendations largely repeat demands it made last week immediately after the incident — although in fierier language this time — when it also called for a trial and justice for those responsible.

But on Friday the council also said it had concluded that the root cause of the burnings was what it called the illegal administration of the prison and said the remedy was to close down all foreign prisons and hand them over to Afghan control.

Those findings offered support for Mr. Karzai in his long-running dispute with the coalition over control of prisons in Afghanistan.

Mr. Karzai has repeatedly argued that the Afghan government should take over the American-run detention center in Parwan, adjacent to the Bagram Air Base north of Kabul, where more than 3,000 inmates suspected of being insurgents are housed, in addition to other detention centers.

So far, the United States has declined, citing legal reasons and saying that the Afghans are not prepared to run the maximum security sites.

On Friday, Gavin Sundwall, a spokesman for the American Embassy in Kabul, reiterated that argument in an e-mailed statement: “The United States has repeatedly made clear that it is committed to working with the Afghan government to complete a transition of detention operations in Afghanistan in a manner that is safe and orderly and in accordance with our international legal obligations.”

The Ulema Council also came out in favor of an issue the Karzai government sees as another point of national sovereignty: an end to night raids by the United States military, in which commandos search for people suspected of being insurgents in private homes rather than in the field.

Both the control of the prisons and the night raids are sticking points in negotiations, currently at a crucial stage, over a longer-term strategic partnership between the United States and Afghanistan.

The council’s investigation was only one of three parallel investigations into the Koran burnings.

Perhaps more awaited is an interim report, conducted jointly between the United States and Afghan military. It is likely to give a far more detailed explanation into the events that led to the burning of Korans and other religious texts, and its findings will be an important test of Afghan public opinion following the days of violent protests.

NATO said Friday that the investigation was completed, and would soon be passed to General Allen for review. He will decide what findings and recommendations to make public.

It is expected within the next week, officials have said.

But the only investigation that will carry formal legal weight is a third inquiry, conducted by the American military alone, that could lead ultimately to criminal legal action or lesser administrative punishment. Its findings and recommendations are expected in the second half of this month.

After last week’s deadly protests, Afghanistan has become quieter in the last few days, with few signs of protests. Some of the NATO military advisers pulled from Afghan ministries by General Allen after the shooting deaths of two American officers inside the Interior Ministry have also begun to return to work.

Asked whether the calls by the Ulema Council would increase tensions again, Mr. Sundwall said: “We certainly hope that the release of this report does not lead to more violence. We appreciated President Karzai’s repeated calls for dialogue and calm earlier and hope that people took them to heart. As Ambassador Crocker has said, we believe that we will get through this unfortunate period, that a decade’s worth of relationships don’t go away in a single week.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/world/asia/5-soldiers-are-said-to-face-punishment-in-koran-burning-in-afghanistan.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=print



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Nah that was a bone headed move.  A complete no brainer that burning the Koran would be nothing but trouble.  The person who ordered it or allowed it to happen should ran out of the military for being a stupid idiot and isn't fit to carry a gun. 

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Nah that was a bone headed move.  A complete no brainer that burning the Koran would be nothing but trouble.  The person who ordered it or allowed it to happen should ran out of the military for being a stupid idiot and isn't fit to carry a gun. 


Do you know why it was done?   

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It doesn't matter why the books were burned.  Burning them was an obvious mistake even a high schooler could have figured out. 

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It doesn't matter why the books were burned.  Burning them was an obvious mistake even a high schooler could have figured out. 
Not really.
Not when they were burned according to Islamic practice in the same way all the others are burned that are damaged (which these were, considering the Jihadi's were using them to communicate by writing in them and passing them back and forth.)

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It doesn't matter why the books were burned.  Burning them was an obvious mistake even a high schooler could have figured out. 

Mistakes happen all the time - why validate the feelinggs of the savages.

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Mistakes happen all the time - why validate the feelinggs of the savages.

It's not about validating feelings.  It's about not doing things that will cuase unnecessary problems.

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Not really.
Not when they were burned according to Islamic practice in the same way all the others are burned that are damaged (which these were, considering the Jihadi's were using them to communicate by writing in them and passing them back and forth.)

Perhaps, but a better solution would have been Anything but burning them and the people finding out causing all sorts of problems.  These aren't the first batch of Korans they have received in 10 years. 

Burn them in secret or ship out of the country so know one knows what happened to them.

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It's not about validating feelings.  It's about not doing things that will cuase unnecessary problems.
Youre missing the whole deal where they were burned according to Islamic standards, how they dispose of damaged holy book, they did NOTHING wrong.

The books were considered damaged because they were full of writing from the jihadi's to each other, and they were passing the books. So, we disposed of them by their own regs. And then they starting rioting, because we disposed of the books in the proper, approved method.

It doesnt matter, they just used it as a way to incite the masses even though no one did ANYTHING WRONG.

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I get we "burned them according to their law". That's not the point, it seems obvious to me and should have been obvious to who ever ordered it that it probably would have caused a problem.

We're we burning Koreans for the last 10 years we have been there and they knew about it and they just choose this time to riot over it?  If so I may be wrong.  But I don't think so.  It was a bad mistake by someone and that person should be fired. 

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What the fuck does Obama even have to do with this?

NATO did an investigation... Nothing has been said aside from the fact they had an investigation and were referred to the US for action.

The US isn't doing shit about any of this.

Obama isn't going to do anything.

The Pentagon isn't going to do anything.

Why the fuck are you so butt hurt about this?


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 :).  So obama gets credit for bin laden , but has nothing to do with this despite the fact that he publically apologized to karzai? 

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 in his head everything revolves around obama ::)

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Nah that was a bone headed move.  A complete no brainer that burning the Koran would be nothing but trouble.  The person who ordered it or allowed it to happen should ran out of the military for being a stupid idiot and isn't fit to carry a gun.  

Fuck off. They did nothing wrong.

No one can do anything without "causing trouble" with Muslims. Boohoo. Maybe Christians should start rioting every time they burn down a church.  ::)

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Obama publicly apologized to animals and created the expectation that these guys would be punished despite the fact that the did nothing wrong.   As commander in chief he has full authority to pardon these guys. 

Amazing too - Obama has supreme power to get obi, but is powerless to stop a show trial to appease his Muslim brothers across the world. 

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Are they going to apologize for the 4 Americans they've now murdered over this? Until then, they can go fuck themselves.

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Fuck off. They did nothing wrong.

No one can do anything without "causing trouble" with Muslims. Boohoo. Maybe Christians should start rioting every time they burn down a church.  ::)

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Oh look its another ignorant tool.

So had they not burned the books and instead did what they have been doing the last tens years we still would have had the riots over it?

Get a brain douche bag. 

Who ever is responsible for burning the books, should be fired,  PERIOD. 

Its not about burning the books, its about the idiot who ordered it or net it happen.  common sense was absent from him that day, but obviously absent from people like you permanently.   

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:).  So obama gets credit for bin laden , but has nothing to do with this despite the fact that he publically apologized to karzai? 

Obama shares partial credit for having the balls to make the decision on the raid.  Did Obama order the burning of the books in the same direct fashion as he did OB?

Try and keep up. 

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Obama shares partial credit for having the balls to make the decision on the raid.  Did Obama order the burning of the books in the same direct fashion as he did OB?

Try and keep up. 


He should have told karzai that there were jihadi writings in these satanic instruction manuals and that it was the animals who defaced the evil book, not the soldiers.   

But keep making excuses for the messiah, it's like the beaten wives club. 

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He should have told karzai that there were jihadi writings in these satanic instruction manuals and that it was the animals who defaced the evil book, not the soldiers.   

But keep making excuses for the messiah, it's like the beaten wives club. 

I am not making excuses, he did what he should have.  Instead of getting defensive, he apologized.  BFD.  The issue is with  who ordered this.

Comparing it like you did to the OB raid is comical.  Give it a rest.

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I am not making excuses, he did what he should have.  Instead of getting defensive, he apologized.  BFD.  The issue is with  who ordered this.

Comparing it like you did to the OB raid is comical.  Give it a rest.

And has he demanded an apology from karazai for the dead 4 soldiers? 

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And has he demanded an apology from karazai for the dead 4 soldiers? 

Has he?   Or  has he wieghed the polical gain/loss of doing so?

I donno. 


Don't really care, other making sure the idiot who ordered the burning gets shown the door.

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Has he?   Or  has he wieghed the polical gain/loss of doing so?

I donno. 


Don't really care, other making sure the idiot who ordered the burning gets shown the door.

So again - it's all about appeasing the savages correct?   

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Fuck off. They did nothing wrong.

No one can do anything without "causing trouble" with Muslims. Boohoo. Maybe Christians should start rioting every time they burn down a church.  ::)

I agree completely... I just don't see where Obama has said he's doing shit, nor has the Pentagon said they are doing shit.

I don't want anyone apologizing for a goddam thing.

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So again - it's all about appeasing the savages correct?   

Nope, it's about not causing yourself unnecessary trouble.  A no brainer.  If we wanted to appease the Muslims we would have never invaded 2 countries.