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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 07:39:01 AM »
Remember when 240 and Blacken attacked Perry for adding shitty retail jobs? I eagerly await their condemnation of this.

45k temp jobs and the drones are bragging, hahahah.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 08:06:39 AM »
45k temp jobs

91k jobs added through BD adj.

Not a good report.

Anyone have any numbers on the type of jobs added besides low paying menial jobs of the 45k?

Transition indeed.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 08:53:51 AM »
The Part-Time Economy (Redux)
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/09/2012 09:17 -0500




BLS Bureau of Labor StatisticsRealityrecover yRude AwakeningTax RevenueUnemployment


While not shocking to most, the jump in temporary workers that we cited earlier is perhaps the biggest indicator of job 'quality' gains. As we discussed here last month, the US market economy remains mired in a low quality (“first-fired, first-hired categories rather than the type of core hiring that would build a stronger foundation for income growth,”  as FTN's Jim Vogel describes it) recovery. About 160k of private jobs added in Feb are 'low-paying work' which left average hourly earnings up only 0.1% (notes David Ader at CRT) - hardly the recipe for a sustainable recovery and perhaps the slow leak in stocks post the number is the rude awakening to that reality.

 



 

As we pointed out before:

Finally, and most, importantly, we hope that this analysis has proven that while the BLS may play around with various numerators, denominators, seasonal adjustments, and other irrelevant gimmicks which are only fit for popular consumption particularly by those who have never used excel in their lives, a deeper analysis confirms our concerns, that not only is America slipping ever further into a state of permanent "temp job" status, but that a "quality analysis" of the jobs created shows that the US job formation machinery is badly hurt, and just like the marginal utility of debt now hitting a critical inflection point, so the "marginal utility" of incremental jobs is now negative, which means that Obama, or whichever administration, can easily represent to be growing jobs, and declining the unemployment rate by whatever gimmick necessary. Yet these very jobs are now generating far less in so very critical tax revenue for the US treasury, and continue to declining steadily in quality.

Finally, two more charts, the first showing the NSA number of Part-Time jobs from the Household Survey. At 28,096,000 this number is just shy of the all time high of 28,106,000, and represents 19.4% of total employment. Second, as JT Smith reminds us, the number of people holding Multiple Jobs rose by 286K in February, more than the entire employed increase announced in the Establishment survey, and at 7,116,000 is now back to the highest since May 2010.



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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 09:04:22 AM »
Tig Gilliam, president of the North American unit of job placement firm Adecco, suspects many of those temp jobs will eventually turn into permanent full-time positions. Among his clients, much of the demand for temp workers is for professional positions in legal, accounting and health care -- a trend that he says typically occurs as a recovery strengthens.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 09:05:43 AM »
Tig Gilliam, president of the North American unit of job placement firm Adecco, suspects many of those temp jobs will eventually turn into permanent full-time positions. Among his clients, much of the demand for temp workers is for professional positions in legal, accounting and health care -- a trend that he says typically occurs as a recovery strengthens.

False - Obamacare is completely destroying any chance of a real recovery.   No employers are going to hire anyone full time w benefits w that disaster hanging over the nations' head.   

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 09:10:39 AM »
adding jobs is what its' about,i know its not to the level of 8 million that the repub bush lost, but it's a start

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 09:11:15 AM »
adding jobs is what its' about,i know its not to the level of 8 million that the repub bush lost, but it's a start

LOL! 

How exactly did "Bush lose them" ? ? ?

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 09:15:26 AM »
i'm going by your thinking,if bush is pres. then it's his fault,can't have it both ways ;D

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2012, 09:15:56 AM »
Just check tax revenues when the data becomes available.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2012, 09:18:11 AM »
Tig Gilliam, president of the North American unit of job placement firm Adecco, suspects many of those temp jobs will eventually turn into permanent full-time positions. Among his clients, much of the demand for temp workers is for professional positions in legal, accounting and health care -- a trend that he says typically occurs as a recovery strengthens.

And Simple Jack wastes no time on the hypocrisy.

Let us not forget that Simple Jack here was criticizing Perry for creating full-time retail jobs. Now he's cheering temp jobs that'll be gone the second the economy implodes again.

Keep on trucking, Simple Jack.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2012, 09:23:31 AM »
pickles [fury] is on break,when your breaks done and your back in the kitchen can you find out how many calories a jr. wopper with no mayo is  :D

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2012, 09:48:17 AM »
Jobs Recession Now 49 Months: Longest Since WWII
By ED CARSON, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 08:38 AM ET




The U.S. economy added 227,000 jobs in February vs. expectations for 206,000, continuing a recent trend of decent hiring activity. The unemployment rate held at 8.3%.

But America remains mired in the longest jobs recession since the Great Depression. It's been 49 months since the U.S. hit peak employment in January 2008. And with nonfarm payrolls still 5.33 million below their old high, the jobs slump will continue for several more years.

The previous jobs recession record — 47 months — came during and after the comparatively mild 2001 recession, which saw unemployment climb to only 6.3%. The average job recovery time since 1980 is 29 months, not including the current slump.

The labor market won't truly return to health until some 10 million positions are created to rehire all those who lost their jobs and to absorb new workers.

The longest jobs recession in decades coincides, not coincidentally, with the longest stretch of anemic economic performance on record.

U.S. gross domestic profit hasn't risen 4% or more in any quarter since the first quarter of 2006. That's by far the longest such stretch on record going back to 1950. The only other sizable sub-par stretch was a three-year span from late 2000 to mid-2003 during the prior recession and sluggish recovery.

The current expansion, which began in mid-2009, is particularly disappointing, given the deep recession that preceded it. The best growth was a three-quarter run of 3.8%-3.9% gains.

After the severe 1981-82 recession, the U.S. economy enjoyed a five-quarter stretch of 7% or more — following a 5.1% annualized gain.

The U.S. economy is up just 6.2% above the level at the end of the recession vs. 14.9% in the 10 quarters after the 1981-82 slump.

President Obama may take hope that the U.S. economy has picked up from near-stall speed to a modest pace in recent months. But after the mild 1990-1991 downturn, the U.S. economy rose tepidly for a few quarters before growing more than 4% in every quarter of 1992. That still wasn't enough to keep the first President Bush from losing to Bill Clinton.

And nobody is predicting 4% growth in 2012.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2012, 09:52:05 AM »
pickles [fury] is on break,when your breaks done and your back in the kitchen can you find out how many calories a jr. wopper with no mayo is  :D

Simple Jack, your command of the English language proves that you aren't a white collar worker.

Bag those groceries faster, Lenny.

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2012, 10:04:03 AM »
Mar 09, 2012, 9:30 AM
U.S. Still Down 6 Million Jobs.





The stock market has recovered its losses since hitting bottom three years ago today. But despite gains in employment during that same stretch, America is still down six million jobs, data shows.

The economy added 227,000 jobs in February, more than the 204,000 economists expected, the Labor Department reported this morning. The unemployment rate remained unchanged at 8.3% from last month. But while the economy has added more than 200,000 jobs for three straight months, the damage to employment done by the Great Recession is still far from repaired.

Between December 2007, when the recession officially started, and February 2010, when the Labor Department’s reports show employment hit bottom, the economy lost more than eight million jobs. Between then and now, we’ve added back more than two million jobs. With that big of a gap yet to fill, it’s extremely unlikely the unemployment rate will fall to a more “normal,” pre-crisis level of 6% by the end of this year, says Robert Johnson, the associate director of economic analysis at Morningstar. A rate below 8% — last seen in January 2009 — is possible by the end of the year, however, Johnson says.

The struggling housing market is part of the problem. Much of the job growth that happened in the recovery that began in 2002 came from construction and related industries, Johnson says. More than two million of the eight million jobs we’ve lost in this recession were in construction, representing a huge hit to the industry. “We lost about 26% of the construction jobs in this country,” Johnson says, and almost none of those jobs have come back. Employment growth in the industry “is a rounding error,” he says. This month, construction employment fell slightly, losing 14,000 jobs after two months of gains. At the height of the boom, this country was building more than two million new homes a year; as of the Census Bureau’s latest report, that rate is now below 700,000 new homes. “We’re not going back to 2.2 million housing starts in my lifetime,” Johnson says, but in the next 12 to 18 months we could be back to building more than a million new homes a year, which should add about a million new jobs in construction.

Of course, that’s still several million jobs short of pre-recession employment levels. But other sectors, such as health care and manufacturing, have been growing strongly in this recovery, Johnson says. “There’s a few categories of jobs where you can write your own ticket [like engineers and accountants], and there’s other categories where I don’t think people are ever getting their jobs back,” Johnson says.

 

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2012, 10:52:47 AM »
Jobless Stats Reveal Disparities As economy Starts To Recover [9.8% Counting Given-Ups!]
FoxNews ^ | March 09, 2012




Jobless Stats Reveal Disparities As economy Starts To Recover March 09, 2012

While the Labor Department reports a surge in private-sector hiring and the nation's unemployment rate holding steady at 8.3 percent, a closer look at the numbers paints a less flattering picture of the country's post-recession growth.

The latest report for February shows lingering economic disparities among different segments of the population. And, as has been the case for decades, the unemployment rate used by the Bureau of Labor Statistics does not tell the whole story.

Counting only those Americans who are actively looking for work, the jobless rate is 8.3 percent, just like it was in January. But counting those who stopped looking for work within the last year, the rate is 9.8 percent. And counting all of the above, plus those who settled for part-time jobs, the rate is 14.9 percent.

"Everybody who has friends knows it's higher," Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., told Fox News.

Hunter is pushing legislation that would require the Bureau of Labor Statistics to broaden its definition for the unemployment rate. He wants the department to count those who stopped looking for work as well, which would put last month's rate at 9.8 percent.

"We just want to know what the truth is, because we can't make good policy here unless we know what the actual unemployment number is," Hunter told Fox News on Thursday, ahead of the latest labor report release. "It's not 8 percent -- anybody who's out there in the real world knows that. We need real numbers, not D.C. numbers."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/09/jobless-stats-reveal-disparities-as-economy-starts-to-recover/


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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2012, 11:12:23 AM »
Simple Jack, your command of the English language proves that you aren't a white collar worker.

Bag those groceries faster, Lenny.

you living with your mommy proves you have a shitty job :D

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2012, 11:55:05 AM »
Simple Jack, the autistic, jobless hypocrite spends all day talking to himself on Getbig.  :D :D :D :D

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2012, 04:10:07 PM »
i have you figured out, first thing you do is come on call someone a name,your the typ. internet tough guy.when you were in school everyone picked on you because you were a geek,now this is your time to get even behind the security of your keyboard.and to make things worse you have to put a picture of a girl jumping around to prove that your   some kind of ladies man,but in all reality you live at home with your mother  :D :D     how's that pickles [fury] pretty spot on

so did you find out how many calories the whopper jr. is  :D

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2012, 04:20:12 PM »
i have you figured out, first thing you do is come on call someone a name,your the typ. internet tough guy.when you were in school everyone picked on you because you were a geek,now this is your time to get even behind the security of your keyboard.and to make things worse you have to put a picture of a girl jumping around to prove that your   some kind of ladies man,but in all reality you live a home with your mother  :D :D     how's that pickles [fury] pretty spot on

so did you find out how many calories the whopper jr. is  :D
you couldnt find a youtube link to say this?

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2012, 04:21:13 PM »
you couldnt find a youtube link to say this?
 

 :D :D not bad

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Re: Jobs Report Nonsense (91k Birth/Death + 40k Part-Time Temps)
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The Real Unemployment Rate? It Sure Isn’t 8.3%
Blog.American ^ | March 9, 2012 | Enterprise Blog
Posted on March 9, 2012 6:34:12 PM EST by lbryce



Even if it were a legit number, the 8.3% February unemployment rate, released today by the Labor Department, would be simply terrible—and unacceptable. It would still extend the longest streak of 8%-plus unemployment since the Great Depression. The U.S. economy hasn’t been below 8% unemployment since Obama took office in January 2009. And back in May 2007, unemployment was just 4.4%.

But, unfortunately, the true measure of U.S. unemployment is much, much worse.

1. If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7% then vs. 63.9% today—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 10.8%.

2. But what if you take into the account the aging of the Baby Boomers, which means the labor force participation (LFP) rate should be trending lower. Indeed, it has been doing just that since 2000. Before the Great Recession, the Congressional Budget Office predicted what the LFP would be in 2012, assuming such demographic changes. Using that number, the real unemployment rate would be 10.4%.

3. Of course, the LFP rate usually falls during recessions. Yet even if you discount for that and the aging issue, the real unemployment rate would be 9.5%.

4. Then there’s the broader, U-6 measure of unemployment which includes the discouraged plus part-timers who wish they had full time work. That unemployment rate, perhaps the truest measure of the labor market’s health, is still a sky-high 14.9%.

5. Recall that back in 2009, White House economists Jared Bernstein and Christina Romer used their old-fashioned Keynesian model to predict how the $800 billion stimulus would affect employment. According to their model—as displayed in the above chart, updated—unemployment should be around 6% today.

6. As Ed Carson of Investor’s Business Daily points out, it’s been a whopping 49 months since the U.S. hit peak employment in January 2008. The average job recovery time since 1980 is 29 months, not including the current slump.

7. And how long might it take to get back to the 4.4% unemployment rate that existed under President George. W. Bush? Well, let’s say the goal was to get back to that rate in 5 years. And let’s assume the LFP rate returns to the CBO trend. According to a jobs calculator created by the Atlanta Fed, the U.S. economy would have to generate about 225,000 jobs a month, every month, for the next 60 months to hit that target. But few economist think we’ll see sustained job growth like that, especially since it assumes the economy would avoid recession during that span.

Indeed, JPMorgan just cut its GDP forecast for this quarter to 1.5% from 2.0% and says there is “some downside risk” to its second-quarter forecast of 2.5%.

The U.S. labor market is slowly getting healthier, but it’s a long way from being healthy.

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