Author Topic: lionel messi knocks FIVE past bayer leverkusen (Read 18815 times)

Jaime · « **Reply #25 on:** March 10, 2012, 07:48:30 AM »

Quote from: bradistani on March 10, 2012, 07:47:08 AM

yes but maradona not only carried a team (napoli), but he carried a country in the '86 world cup.

the maradona and pele eras were fucking brutal too, when compared to todays. christ, they've almost removed tackling from the game today

Napoli and Argentina had a fair few world class players, him carrying them is a myth.

Agree about the second part though.

che · « **Reply #26 on:** March 10, 2012, 07:50:38 AM »

Quote from: bradistani on March 10, 2012, 07:47:08 AM

yes but maradona not only carried a team (napoli), but he carried a country in the '86 world cup.

Thank you .

Figo · « **Reply #27 on:** March 10, 2012, 07:51:06 AM »

Messi is undoubtedly gifted, the best natural talent since ronaldinho

Cristiano is the most complete player atm

Ibra also does the unbelievable at times

The last 10 or 12 yrs have produced some amazing talent. Fans of the sport are witnessing some of the best football in history IMO

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #28 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:00:58 AM »

Quote from: Cleanest Natural on March 10, 2012, 07:12:27 AM

Who gives a fuck about soccer? Jeesh

X2

The only interesting part of it, is his girl.

bradistani · « **Reply #29 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:11:08 AM »

mind you, messi can more than cement his place in history if he and argentina can win the wc in brazil. every south american and spanish/portuguese speaking country is gonna be up for this one.

Figo · « **Reply #30 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:12:56 AM »

Quote from: bradistani on March 10, 2012, 07:47:08 AM

yes but maradona not only carried a team (napoli), but he carried a country in the '86 world cup.

the maradona and pele eras were fucking brutal too, when compared to todays. christ, they've almost removed tackling from the game today

yes he did carry club and country

Yes there is more protection from refs

But,

The game is much faster, defenders and full backs are better, the holding defensive mid position did not really exist then as it does now
Maradonna innovated a lot, and did what was then unseen and seemed impossible, but the talent pool has grown the game has evolved, lots of talent out there
Add in fixture congestion with club leagues, cups, european games, internationals and friendlies...

Maradonna was hanging by a thread towards the end, loaded up with cortisone and other drugs to get through games, plus ped's , and his rec habits

The modern game has changed, real athletes nowadays, lamps, cristiano, ibra, kaka, nani...

che · « **Reply #31 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:15:07 AM »

Maradona won the 1986 World Cup almost single-handedly and took Argentina to the final four years later. He also took one of the the worst Italian team ( Napoli ) to its only two Italian titles .
Messi is a great player but he plays in the best teamin the world , the base of the Spanish national team (world champions ) Barcelona with or without Messi still one of the best team in the world.
Playing for the Argentina National team Messi is just a good player

Watch and learn bitches.

First kick in Napoli stadium

50 years old

The greatest ever

che · « **Reply #32 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:17:00 AM »

Quote from: Figo on March 10, 2012, 08:12:56 AM

, cristiano, ibra, kaka, nani...

Are you really comparing them to Maradona ,haha.

bradistani · « **Reply #33 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:20:03 AM »

Quote from: Figo on March 10, 2012, 08:12:56 AM

yes he did carry club and country

Yes there is more protection from refs

But,

The game is much faster, defenders and full backs are better, the holding defensive mid position did not really exist then as it does now
Maradonna innovated a lot, and did what was then unseen and seemed impossible, but the talent pool has grown the game has evolved, lots of talent out there
Add in fixture congestion with club leagues, cups, european games, internationals and friendlies...

Maradonna was hanging by a thread towards the end, loaded up with cortisone and other drugs to get through games, plus ped's , and his rec habits

The modern game has changed, real athletes nowadays, lamps, cristiano, ibra, kaka, nani...

precisely why its so hard to choose between eras. still, players like pele, maradona would still have dominated and been even better in todays game.

Jaime · « **Reply #34 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:22:51 AM »

Quote from: che on March 10, 2012, 08:15:07 AM

Maradona won the 1986 World Cup almost single-handedly and took Argentina to the final four years later. He also took one of the the worst Italian team ( Napoli ) to its only two Italian titles .
Messi is a great player but he plays in the best teamin the world , the base of the Spanish national team (world champions ) Barcelona with or without Messi still one of the best team in the world.
Playing for the Argentina National team Messi is just a good player

Watch and learn bitches.

First kick in Napoli stadium

Pretty sure Napoli were top 5 for a few seasons before Diego joined and they had a few world class players.

Argentina were about the same level they are now.

Still the best i have seen regardless.

Figo · « **Reply #35 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:23:26 AM »

Quote from: che on March 10, 2012, 08:17:00 AM

Are you really comparing them to Maradona ,haha.

no I'm not

che · « **Reply #36 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:24:29 AM »

Simply the best

Figo · « **Reply #37 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:28:07 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 10, 2012, 08:22:51 AM

Pretty sure Napoli were top 5 for a few seasons before Diego joined and they had a few world class players.

Argentina were about the same level they are now.

Still the best i have seen regardless.

napoli were bankrupt, but came into money with new prez, like they did again recently after having been relegated to lower leagues

They also had zola, alemao, careca, ferraro

The italian league is a joke though, they already decided who's gona win the next 2

Fucking rossi gets release from jail to help italy win 82 WC after going to jail for matc fixing
Similar story in 2006

Most corrupt league in the world

Jaime · « **Reply #38 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:28:58 AM »

Quote from: Figo on March 10, 2012, 08:12:56 AM

yes he did carry club and country

Yes there is more protection from refs

But,

The game is much faster, defenders and full backs are better, the holding defensive mid position did not really exist then as it does now
Maradonna innovated a lot, and did what was then unseen and seemed impossible, but the talent pool has grown the game has evolved, lots of talent out there
Add in fixture congestion with club leagues, cups, european games, internationals and friendlies...

Maradonna was hanging by a thread towards the end, loaded up with cortisone and other drugs to get through games, plus ped's , and his rec habits

The modern game has changed, real athletes nowadays, lamps, cristiano, ibra, kaka, nani...

No way. Injured past prime Baresi. Nothing near this level nowadays. The defending in italy in the 80's was scary good.

Figo · « **Reply #39 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:30:10 AM »

Quote from: che on March 10, 2012, 08:24:29 AM

Simply the best

ronaldinho is one that comes close to the fantasy stuff

Diego was arguably the best, some say pele, others cruyf, others van basten

che · « **Reply #40 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:30:35 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 10, 2012, 08:22:51 AM

Pretty sure Napoli were top 5 for a few seasons before Diego joined and they had a few world class players.

Argentina were about the same level they are now.

Still the best i have seen regardless.

Nope Napoli was shit before Maradona

Jaime · « **Reply #41 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:32:06 AM »

Quote from: che on March 10, 2012, 08:30:35 AM

Nope Napoli was shit before Maradona

Wrong.

che · « **Reply #42 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:32:28 AM »

Quote from: Figo on March 10, 2012, 08:30:10 AM

ronaldinho is one that comes close to the fantasy stuff

Maradona = Ronaldinho and Messi in one player .

Figo · « **Reply #43 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:34:07 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 10, 2012, 08:28:58 AM

No way. Injured past prime Baresi. Nothing near this level nowadays. The defending in italy in the 80's was scary good.

nesta is the best defender ever

I'm not a milan fan, but for many yrs I've also admired mexes at roma, the frenchman, he's past his prime now, as is nesta

If nesta and mexes had played together at their prime, say in front of buffon, it wouldve been best defense ever

crownshep · « **Reply #44 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:35:52 AM »

Hey Brad,did you see the programme the other night on ITV about Messi,they had video of him at age 5 dribbling past all the other kids and at age 12 chipping the goalie like he does nowadays.

che · « **Reply #45 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:37:40 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 10, 2012, 08:32:06 AM

Wrong.

Maradona went to Napoli in 1984 , how did they do in 1983 ?

Figo · « **Reply #46 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:38:55 AM »

Quote from: che on March 10, 2012, 08:32:28 AM

Maradona = Ronaldinho and Messi in one player .

You could be right, atm messi is young and has time on his side, but not at maradonna level at all yet

But in the fantasy trick stuff, the flamboyant, arrogant magic, ronaldinho had maradonna you gotta admit

I'm a fan of footbal, to me figo, rui costa, eusebio and pele were amazing, I also admire cristiano and R9, hate ibra but he's good, and maradona was a god of his day

Jaime · « **Reply #47 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:43:33 AM »

Quote from: che on March 10, 2012, 08:37:40 AM

Maradona went to Napoli in 1984 , how did they do in 1983 ?

Refer to Figo's post, i got my history wrong.

They did however have a fair few world class players.

bradistani · « **Reply #48 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:45:23 AM »

Quote from: crownshep on March 10, 2012, 08:35:52 AM

Hey Brad,did you see the programme the other night on ITV about Messi,they had video of him at age 5 dribbling past all the other kids and at age 12 chipping the goalie like he does nowadays.

no mate.. although i've seen the clips from when he was a kid..

i'll give that a watch later.

it'll never happen. i'd like to see messi play over here. just like *choke* ronaldo has dominated both leagues. i'd like to see messi do the same.

not that i'm saying he couldn't, haha.

Figo · « **Reply #49 on:** March 10, 2012, 08:46:15 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on March 10, 2012, 08:43:33 AM

Refer to Figo's post, i got my history wrong.

They did however have a fair few world class players.

in the early 80s they were top 4 I think or top 6....