The Fitness Industry, “Natural” Bodybuilding, PHD's and Lies..

[purenaturalstrength]

let's continue on our lay nortom character assassination mission


600lbs squat and still looks like a giraffe

[g101]

I always see these liars with their PhD's and suddenly they are experts with that paper that they have regardless if they have experience or not...

Like Layne "Liar" Norton's "PhD" ...... should tell us how he is able to get his legit primobolan instead and where to find it

[Hulkotron]

I'm thinking that steroid using bodybuilders claiming to be natural isn't really that big a deal....

Nobody knows who any of these fucks are anyway.

x2 retards will keep buying jug after jug of protein powder and bee pollen even if Layne Nortom's steroid abuse becomes public knowledge.

[NeilGM]

x2 retards will keep buying jug after jug of protein powder and bee pollen even if Layne Nortom's steroid abuse becomes public knowledge.

Yes they will, but the more you can make aware the more you will be able to help. Obviously the supplements industry will keep going and praying on people but if it could pray on people for less time or pray on less overall then it has made an improvement. Some people will always believe it can be done with supplements, these are generally the the ones that despise drug usage or simply refuse to use them, however I would like more of these people who choose not to use drugs to realise they do not need to was $$$'s every month or so to train naturally and that they would actually benefit from spending a fraction of that money on a better diet.

Drug awareness doesnt mean to get everyone on the stuff, but the truths need to be spoken and the fact is soo many of general publics experts on steroids such as doctors and scientists have never even used them. Blind leading the blind

[the_swami]

Before I get started this is not directed at the true natural bodybuilders or people who study PHD's or any other form of qualification in general. This is about the countless amount of people who are in a position of influence or media attention who claim natural status and use their expert knowledge, superior genetics and PHD's in given fields to justify their physiques when really these people owe their physiques to the drugs they secretly take and lie about.

Bodybuilding is a dark dark world of lies and foul play, especially around the sport as there is large amounts of money up for grabs and many want a slice of the pie. The money up for grabs come from varying avenues however it all boils down to one basic concept that all the fitness industry use to make their money.. That is they, being the people with the good body’s have a physique that you want whether it is a fitness model, a bodybuilder or someone who is just in dam good shape, they have it, you don't and the fitness industry is the magical power that knows how to take you there..

Let's face it every single day you cannot get away from it, it is everywhere, people with very good physiques advertising that they are pinnacles of health and how their knowledge of diet and exercise, the human body, hard work and some convenient supplementation from their sponsor is what got them there. Well for most of them they used more than help from Mr MuscleTech.. they used drugs!

Drugs for keeping looking good in the fitness industry and anywhere that is in the media's spot light are everywhere. They are in every gym, every sports centre, anywhere someone is competing in a sport, trying to better them selves physically you can guarantee people will be using drugs. Now to Get Biggers this may be no surprise, there are a few exceptions who hang around in the supplement threads etc who have got the wool pulled over their eyes completely! However the majority of the Get Biggers know the script, they may not know what the real levels are required to get from A to B but they at least know you can't be 220lbs of ripped muscle (5'10ft) on creatine and protein powder alone.
You are not going to walked around at 5% dry all year round in good shape naturally without some sort of extra help.
The human body is just not supposed to be this way, yeah some have a better starting point and some can achieve a decent physique naturally with allot of hard work, but they will never ever have that premium figure front page magazine look you see in all the major magazines unless they take some form of drug or have heavy photoshopping.

The fact is the average guy when they get started is way out in the cold with nothing but lies in magazines and books written by liars to get them started. It is no wonder most of them never get anywhere for years! This is the average guy who walks into the gym for the first time with the pipe dream of getting bigger and more attractive muscles and in better shape overall and actaually sticks at it:

1)He s unhappy with his body the day he walks into the gym for the 1st time

2)He has seen a physique in a book, magazine, TV, public etc that appeals to him which he aspires to be like over the forecomming months/years. The chances are this physique that inspired him is beyond his natural ability as the person has used some form of drug to look like this (face fact not many sign up to the local weights gym with Mr Bean as their role model)

3)He starts to train and for the first few weeks/months makes good gains quickly in strength and some muscle enlargement (if he lucky)

4) He hits a brick wall and all of a sudden just can't seem to get anywhere, for some this is from day one!

5) He looks around the gym and see's many guys who are bigger and better than him and desperately tries to find out the secret by as he naïvely thinks that he drugs are the lazy way to do things. In his quest of searching the internet, reading books, watch video clips and talking to the local fitness instructor he sees so much about supplements every corner he turns that they just have got to work because so many people with good body's are backing them. Then it starts..

This has been most of us, we get tied up in this path, some for years and waste $$$$$$$$$$$$'s trying all sorts of crap products in fancy packets with fancy flavours and kid our selves that some of this shit actually works. The fact is 99% of the shit out there is useless to you, some of it is actually bad for your health! The only stuff that worked has gotten banned. How much have you wasted on supplements before you learned to truth? Or maybe some of you have still yet to learn it and still are spending $$$$$'s on shit products that get you know where when the guy next to you in the gym seems to get better everytime you see him!

It's the blind leading the blind in some cases, some of these not so in the know nutritionist PHD sort have even been brainwashed into thinking they know lots about the human body and teach the crap onto other people that fancy supplements can work through some sort of theory axis that was made up by some scientist on a parole for Mr MuscleTech! The fact is we know next to nothing about the human body, next to nothing at all, only the things we can see with our eyes we can try to understand.

We have your Layne Norton & Kris Gethin sort who use their PHD as part as a cover for the fact they use drugs to achieve their looks. Lets face it the smarter Get Biggers in the know who use drugs or study drugs to enhance physiques know  this these guys lie and the reasons they do it but Mr & Mrs General Public does not. Mr & Mrs General Public buys into this crap and wastes hard earned money, precious time and  possibly their health on following these scammers which allows them to get rich or make a living out of you whilst they have their physiques and you never achieve yours.

Well maybe this will change, maybe with the right angle more people can be saved from the years of wasted time and money that many of us on here have faced already. This will never be stopped, but the more people that are showed the truth from an early stage, the better it will be. Im not saying we should go to the local school and say kids to look like Mr Cutler here you want to take this, this and this for 20 years... But what I a saying is the people should be shown a realist image of what they can achieve naturally with real food, hard work and little to no supplementation and hopefully for most of them this will be enough to keep them happy and not being sold a pipe dream of something they will never achieve and be miserable for their failures! For the others that want more than the natural achievements they should be directed in the correct way to stack compounds and what dosages are likely to give what gains. They should be shown the truth of what it really takes to be 240lb of muscle at 5'10ft and how many drugs they will need to take to be like this. This for many will actually put them off and maybe just staying in shape will be better for them. For those who have the dream to be big and ripped, nothing will stop them, they should be shown the right way to do it, what it takes and save them years of lost money and time.

There is one place that is coming that brings this hope and that is the GH15 website... Of course it will not touch everyone, but it may reach out for those that search for it and disrupt the Layne Norton's, Mr MuscleTech's, MD Supplement Superstore's and everyone else who sells a shit product with a fancy gimmick to take your hard earned cash away from you and leave you with nothing to show for it.

Drugs are not the answer for everyone, nor should they be promoted as they are, but the knowledge needs to be available to the general public so they can learn what is really used and done to look a certain way.




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HELL NO!!!

great post

[NeilGM]

Thankyou

[Mawse]

Layne works hard and trains like an animal, eats a lot of good wholesome food and posts a really motivating training log on bb.com where he blows the 'hataz' away all day erry day

maybe if you spent less time writing essays attacking a great role model for children and more time in the gym and at the dinner table you too could be as jacked as Lay Nortom. 

[balzac]

excellent post !!!

[Swlabr]

Great post.

[NeilGM]

Layne works hard and trains like an animal, eats a lot of good wholesome food and posts a really motivating training log on bb.com where he blows the 'hataz' away all day erry day

maybe if you spent less time writing essays attacking a great role model for children and more time in the gym and at the dinner table you too could be as jacked as Lay Nortom. 

I am not just picking at Lay, but all those like him also as what they preach is a lie. True naturals yes can look good but not the way Lay is in this photo..
His final product of what he achieves with his body when he does his shoots or contest does not only come from eating well and training frequently hard. Take a look at that photo I posted, look closely at it. See how the skin hugs the muscle, see how the muscle is full despite the skin being like paper.. This is because there is no water between the skin and muscle and fat percentage is very very low.

The body does not lose weight naturally like this and look this way. The body certainly does not hold water naturally this way. This my friend is down to specific compounds stacked together to form this look.

Lets try help you see from a simple point of view...Look at the man next to Dorian on the photo below.. his name is Kris Gethin, now I invite you to go and look him up on bb.com and see his many photos and videos. Im sure you will probally think he is natural as well because the man claims natural and is not excessivly big looking on his regular pics.. Well for a start in this photo he is much bigger that usual and much more full.. Infact he is not much smaller than Dorian who we know is a user of compounds..

[Jaime]

I always see these liars with their PhD's and suddenly they are experts with that paper that they have regardless if they have experience or not...

Like Layne "Liar" Norton's "PhD" ...... should tell us how he is able to get his legit primobolan instead and where to find it

Yes we should listen to an anonymous schill like you and completely dissregard someones education.

Gh15 never used to mention primo in regards to Norton you dumb fuck.

Layne is a user, he is also a strong lifter and highly educated in regards to training, he has a lot more experiance than you.

[BiGHer]

Layne works hard and trains like an animal, eats a lot of good wholesome food and posts a really motivating training log on bb.com where he blows the 'hataz' away all day erry day

maybe if you spent less time writing essays attacking a great role model for children and more time in the gym and at the dinner table you too could be as jacked as Lay Nortom. 

I actually don't think anyone is saying layne norton doesn't pay strict attention to his diet or that he doesn't train hard.  I think his training blog would be a lot better though if he gave the whole picture of what it takes to look how he does.  Some of his blog posts should be about his diet, some about his training, and some about his drug use.  That way people could know all the aspects of what it takes.  Then those kids that he a role model to would respect him more for being honest, which is sadly a quality that most kids growing up today won't find in too many people, including layne.

I have to head to the gym myself now, but it's not because I want to be more jacked than Layne... I already am 

[NeilGM]

I actually don't think anyone is saying layne norton doesn't pay strict attention to his diet or that he doesn't train hard.  I think his training blog would be a lot better though if he gave the whole picture of what it takes to look how he does.   Some of his blog posts should be about his diet, some about his training, and some about his drug use.  That way people could know all the aspects of what it takes.  Then those kids that he a role model to would respect him more for being honest, which is sadly a quality that most kids growing up today won't find in too many people, including layne.

I have to head to the gym myself now, but it's not because I want to be more jacked than Layne... I already am 

The problem with the respect is the respect would come from people in the know who do not make a living out of this game, others such as those who are brain  washed by the supplement machine would call him lazy, a cheat, say he has bad genetics etc. Unless everyone did it at the same time he would be singles out by people in the industry and the general not knowing public would right him off because there are plenty of others claiming natural who are not but people believe it.  It is very difficult to be honest and make a living in this game because the machine is against you. He chose to use this industry to make his living and by chosing that he sells his soul for money.

[Jaime]

Neil your posts are all solid, good points. Can't say i dissagree with any of it.

[NeilGM]

Neil your posts are all solid, good points. Can't say i dissagree with any of it.

Cheers Jaime

[Mawse]

Infact he is not much smaller than Dorian who we know is a user of compounds..

We know for a FACT that Dorian only used 300mg of test a week in his prime, because Ron Herris said so. So now Dorian is older and living the fitness lifestyle it doesn't make sense that he would use any drugs.

Sweet potatoes and intense sets to failure on Vince Basiles arm curl machine are probably all Dorian uses to maintain that condition.

Gethin is most likely natural because he says he is and has some really bitchin' tribal tats.

[NeilGM]

We know for a FACT that Dorian only used 300mg of test a week in his prime, because Ron Herris said so. So now Dorian is older and living the fitness lifestyle it doesn't make sense that he would use any drugs.

Sweet potatoes and intense sets to failure on Vince Basiles arm curl machine are probably all Dorian uses to maintain that condition.

Gethin is most likely natural because he says he is and has some really bitchin' tribal tats.

LMAO

[dustin]

We know for a FACT that Dorian only used 300mg of test a week in his prime, because Ron Herris said so. So now Dorian is older and living the fitness lifestyle it doesn't make sense that he would use any drugs.

Sweet potatoes and intense sets to failure on Vince Basiles arm curl machine are probably all Dorian uses to maintain that condition.

Gethin is most likely natural because he says he is and has some really bitchin' tribal tats.

I don't know if you're a gimmick or if you've posted here in the past under a different username. But I have a feeling you'll fit in just fine lol

[g101]

We know for a FACT that Dorian only used 300mg of test a week in his prime, because Ron Herris said so. So now Dorian is older and living the fitness lifestyle it doesn't make sense that he would use any drugs.

Sweet potatoes and intense sets to failure on Vince Basiles arm curl machine are probably all Dorian uses to maintain that condition.

Gethin is most likely natural because he says he is and has some really bitchin' tribal tats.

please tell me this is a joke 

[tommywishbone]

Ric Flair was better.

[Arnold jr]

Overall a pretty well-thought out post...lots of good points. It brings a few things to mind though that are worth mentioning IMO.

For some reason, a lot of people tend to have a problem with anyone who makes money in the fitness industry. People have to make a living and people pay for advice and many other things in numerous avenues of life, but the fact that anyone makes a red cent on anything fitness/bodybuilding related infuriates a lot of people....this I've never understood. I'm not referring to people making money off of lies, I'm referring to a more general aspect...the fact that they make money at all, and it's something that skews many opinions.

As for the lies or half-truths depending on the case, while we can argue about them all day long it is funny that the same kind of thing exist regarding any topic on earth. Does anyone actually believe you'll have girls drooling over you if you buy Axe deodorant? Does anyone actually think if you buy ABC brand of clothes over XYZ brand your life is going to be vastly improved...all these things and many more are marketed this way but no one has a problem with it.

Something else, when it comes to the lying about steroids, I believe the anti-steroid crowd is the bigger culprit. Take for example the king of the anti-steroid movement Dr. Gary Wadler...is there a bigger lier on earth? I don't think so. The guy has stated the horrors of steroids numerous times, even before congress, but when asked to provide proof of his statements, factual data from studies he'll always say there isn't any and as long as he's alive there won't be any. Why? Because Wadler states steroids are too dangerous to do any real testing or research....in what world does that make sense? Of course, most have absolutely no problem with Wadler's way of thinking....why, because they've been told not to.

Overall though, your post was good....just sharing some of my thoughts that came to mind.

[NeilGM]

Overall a pretty well-thought out post...lots of good points. It brings a few things to mind though that are worth mentioning IMO.

For some reason, a lot of people tend to have a problem with anyone who makes money in the fitness industry. People have to make a living and people pay for advice and many other things in numerous avenues of life, but the fact that anyone makes a red cent on anything fitness/bodybuilding related infuriates a lot of people....this I've never understood. I'm not referring to people making money off of lies, I'm referring to a more general aspect...the fact that they make money at all, and it's something that skews many opinions.

As for the lies or half-truths depending on the case, while we can argue about them all day long it is funny that the same kind of thing exist regarding any topic on earth. Does anyone actually believe you'll have girls drooling over you if you buy Axe deodorant? Does anyone actually think if you buy ABC brand of clothes over XYZ brand your life is going to be vastly improved...all these things and many more are marketed this way but no one has a problem with it.

Something else, when it comes to the lying about steroids, I believe the anti-steroid crowd is the bigger culprit. Take for example the king of the anti-steroid movement Dr. Gary Wadler...is there a bigger lier on earth? I don't think so. The guy has stated the horrors of steroids numerous times, even before congress, but when asked to provide proof of his statements, factual data from studies he'll always say there isn't any and as long as he's alive there won't be any. Why? Because Wadler states steroids are too dangerous to do any real testing or research....in what world does that make sense? Of course, most have absolutely no problem with Wadler's way of thinking....why, because they've been told not to.

Overall though, your post was good....just sharing some of my thoughts that came to mind.

I completely agree that lies and manipulation are used throughout the business world to make products successful.  The anit steroid crowd are the main reason behind all the crap you see on the news and this is why no one wants to clean as they would be singled out as cheats, drug users etc. The fitness industry has bowed down to this and used this steroids are really bad to create "alternatives" that really do nothing at all compared to what they claim. If 1000 well know atheletes at the same time got on national TV and said what it really takes to look like them, run like them, fight like them etc then there would be a very large stir in the industry as it would show not just some but most high level athletes need the edge to compete and certainly in bodybuilding. We all know this is not likely to happen. My gripe is with the likes of MR Muscle Tech and Mr Gaspari who know perfectly well what it takes but sit there selling duff products (like selling bunk gear) for allot of money and ripping people off to make gains for them selves. They try to justify it by saying they provide jobs for athletes in the industry and other reasons but it is because they make allot of money out of it. The athletes are just trying to make a wage from the sport that costs them allot of money because of all the flying, food and drugs they need. Can't blaim them for being caught up in the game, that the way it is.. but they have to stand there and lie bare faced because they know $20 of Test Prop will do more than $100000's of Cell Tech. This is where they sell their souls. Atleast some admit to some steroid use or just no comment it, but the ones like Lay take it another level. Their lies run very very deep t o make financial gain.

[oldtimer1]

There are a few reasons why guys lie about drug use.

1. They want all the credit for their physique when they know they would look like crap without it.

2. In their mind they aren't taking that much compared to everyone else so they think they should have natural status.

3. Their physique isn't world beater but if they claim natural they are in the the top tier of great physiques. How can you get a contract when your physique isn't good enough to be in the top 5 in a national contest? Just claim natural and then your in demand for endorsements.

4. They have had trouble with the law in the past and the last thing they want is to get busted for all the syringes and vials in their house.

On a side note isn't it something when a current picture of a natural super star surfaces when they look like crap. Not to name names but in recent times I have seen two guys who scream they are natural have had their picture taken looking mighty small.

[the_swami]

Layne works hard and trains like an animal, eats a lot of good wholesome food and posts a really motivating training log on bb.com where he blows the 'hataz' away all day erry day

maybe if you spent less time writing essays attacking a great role model for children and more time in the gym and at the dinner table you too could be as jacked as Lay Nortom. 

you are naive and gullible